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The God Diversion

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_brightwing said:
It's really great to see the renewed interest in Vision, but changing plan at this late juncture just reduces the total tally for Vision. You should approval vote for the first plan as well.

Vision's side effect really does seem less sinister when broken down like this.. Something like temporary amnesia could really be useful as a side effect with standard attacks. Rather than outright mental attacks. For Vision though fixating on mentals could be less focused though in favour of it's main deal - Weakness sense.
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That's not how it works you can't get two votes for vision by making approval votes brightwing.
 
Hmm. Vote-wise, Carnage is ahead by several votes, although I'm allocating Have Eyes some power due to argument and other factors; Carnage is still ahead, but not by as much as it seems.
 
I'd like to present another argument in favour of Have Eyes, or more precisely against athame.

Issue the first: I believe it's going to be a bit redundant as a defense tool. We have revolver, Penelope and her martial capabilities, Destroyer and Arcanum.

Issue the second: I recognize ritualistic use of athame, but I want to point out that the kind of ritual magic it would be involved in (black robes-ominous chanting-bloody sacrifice occultism) is not exactly appropriate for our Role. Magician uses the power of the Outside through reason and will, not worship - that is domain of Hierophant. And even though Magician would not be forbidden from such actions, remember that the Role is more than the title. Sol is not just the Magician, he's the King of the Magi. Magician that would use athame and cult-steeped ritual magic would be an Occultist. While our Role is still malleable, I believe that we should maintain thematic resonance if possible.
Related, it might just be me, but I don't think Sol would appreciate black robes-ominous chanting-bloody sacrifice occultism on a personal level.

Issue the third: related to issue the second, if the Box is some sort of Genesis Device, notice the thematic resonance with KotM. Kings build their realms. We can do so literally.

Still counts, @Birdsie ?
 
Mithrill said:
I'd like to present another argument in favour of Have Eyes, or more precisely against athame.

Issue the first: I believe it's going to be a bit redundant as a defense tool. We have revolver, Penelope and her martial capabilities, Destroyer and Arcanum.

Issue the second: I recognize ritualistic use of athame, but I want to point out that the kind of ritual magic it would be involved in (black robes-ominous chanting-bloody sacrifice occultism) is not exactly appropriate for our Role. Magician uses the power of the Outside through reason and will, not worship - that is domain of Hierophant. And even though Magician would not be forbidden from such actions, remember that the Role is more than the title. Sol is not just the Magician, he's the King of the Magi. Magician that would use athame and cult-steeped ritual magic would be an Occultist. While our Role is still malleable, I believe that we should maintain thematic resonance if possible.
Related, it might just be me, but I don't think Sol would appreciate black robes-ominous chanting-bloody sacrifice occultism on a personal level.

Issue the third: related to issue the second, if the Box is some sort of Genesis Device, notice the thematic resonance with KotM. Kings build their realms. We can do so literally.

Still counts, @Birdsie ?
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I'm gonna note that Rihaku literally made an entire thing focused around the magicians connection athame and it's relation to tarot.
 
Do you want Sol to be saddled with an eldritch abomination in his head that does nothing but eat doritos while lazing around all day? He has enough with all of us!

Instead, why not vote for the option that gives our pretty (As canonically shown here) magic boy magic eyes? It would also make him look even more Dreamy.


And do you know who else looked dreamy and had magic eyes? That's right! David Bowie, who played the Goblin King in the 1986 movie "Labyrinth". The Goblin King who ruled from a magical realm (Sanctum), had magical creatures as his servants, and posessed incredible magical powers(Arcanum and Hermes). Does that sound familiar? YOU ARE RIGHT IT DOES!!

So with all this considered, what do you want to vote for? An eldritch creature we are going to have to share limited headspace with, or the beautiful magical eyes that brings us closer with the True Magician, THE STARMAN himself?
 
idk about you guys but a vote for Visions is a vote for magic pretty boy eyes. That could not give more Protagonist Energy, which is an essential metaresource I am sure our avian overlord is keeping careful track of (obligatory /s).

[X] Plan May you have Eyes..
 
The biggest downside of Eldritch to me is that a frat boy Symbiote who is the embodiment of sloth isn't exactly an exciting character for me. Eldritch guarantees he will get significant screen-time and word count, since we will be forced to interact with this voice in our head. Even if you take out the will impact, there are a lot of very interesting and unique characters that we still have not chosen to interact with. Eldritch frat boy Cheeto muncher Symbiote takes some of that screen time and hoards it for himself. It's just not something I particularly want to see in terms of dynamics interacting with Sol.
 
Adding onto this, the use cases for Athame are incredibly limited. Putting aside it being a melee weapon and thus ill suited to Solomon's fighting style, it's ritualistic purposes leave much to be desired. The themes of blood and fire severely limit what sort of thematic effectiveness rituals enacted using it will posses, as the majority of rituals utilizing blood and/or fire are either blood sacrifices (a dangerous and ultimately not particularly ethical path) or combat related (something not typically suited to long winded rituals). With this in mind we ultimately stand to gain very little from Athame. Ultimately it seems to be more of a knee-jerk reaction to the perceived danger of the revealed single bad roll, without even seeming to offer significant assistance in combating said roll.

With this in mind, both the long term and short term uses of Athame are dubious at best, which when juxtaposed with The Cube, whose short term uses are also nil, but whose long term uses are frankly absurd, reveals a clear winner in The Cube.

Edit: Also one must of course consider the Magic Pretty Boy Eyes. It would be foolish to ignore.
 
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Mr.Norm said:
Adding onto this, the use cases for Athame are incredibly limited. Putting aside it being a melee weapon and thus ill suited to Solomon's fighting style, it's ritualistic purposes leave much to be desired. The themes of blood and fire severely limit what sort of thematic effectiveness rituals enacted using it will posses, as the majority of rituals utilizing blood and/or fire are either blood sacrifices (a dangerous and ultimately not particularly ethical path) or combat related (something not typically suited to long winded rituals). With this in mind we ultimately stand to gain very little from Athame. Ultimately it seems to be more of a knee-jerk reaction to the perceived danger of the revealed single bad roll, without even seeming to offer significant assistance in combating said roll.

With this in mind, both the long term and short term uses of Athame are dubious at best, which when juxtaposed with The Cube, whose short term uses are also nil, but whose long term uses are frankly absurd, reveals a clear winner in The Cube.

Edit: Also one must of course consider the Magic Pretty Boy Eyes. It would be foolish to ignore.
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You're kind of assuming you actually know what its traits are when you don't. Why you'd assume their strictly just blood and fire related I don't know.
 
Frankly, I think Birdsie would have a blast writing the Symbiote, and I think he'd make it pretty interesting. Furthermore, it would be neat to see Sol's worst tendencies given form, and becoming a major voice. Confronting your lesser self is a classic means of self-actualization for a reason: easy to ignore your flaws when they aren't calling you a bitch and forcing 50 cheeto packs down your throat.
 
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Honestly the main reason I am okay with Carnage is the fact that I really want to teach a hypothetical Symon how to make their own Cheetos.
 
firefrog600 said:
You're kind of assuming you actually know what its traits are when you don't. Why you'd assume their strictly just blood and fire related I don't know.
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It's theming seems firmly aligned with blood and fire seeing as it sets blood on fire and is red. I suppose it could have uses that do not align with these themes, but assuming that it does is not reasonable. I prefer to base decisions around non hypothetical uses, which The Cube has in spades.
 
Mr.Norm said:
It's theming seems firmly aligned with blood and fire seeing as it sets blood on fire and is red. I suppose it could have uses that do not align with these themes, but assuming that it does is not reasonable. I prefer to base decisions around non hypothetical uses, which The Cube has in spades.
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You realize both blood and fire are associated with sacrifice and rituals and alchemy though right?
 
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