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The God Diversion

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Shard said:
The vote is two parts:

Face Value/Interrogate/No
Artifacts/Conclave/Land of Darkness/Marriage

There being no point in going anything other than Face Value for the first option, we go to the second option, which is the exact degree of cooperation. Money invested into Marriage means there's no point in going for anything other than Cooperate/Marriage, so my vote is more of a protest vote. The Interrogate/Marriage vote is in my view pretty much a 'but Marriage after stressing out about it in character' option, especially with money involved.
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what do you not get about if the marriage option loses that birdsie doesn't actually spend the guys money? Like they didn't drop a payment specifically for this they dropped a payment a while ago and are using that payment to purchase this. Also I do still think people are overblowing this yes its technically a marriage but it doesn't need to be romantic its not like we can't theoretically make more soul connections. Fuck I would want to if we can't coast off our own power to get top tier in quest then we may as well mooch off our friends and share what they and we have for something super bullshit via connections soul bullshit.
 
[X] Face Value
[X] Sacred Matrimony [-10 Will, 5 Credit]

Mostly I'm just voting for my own excitement value I can see potential bad stuff happening for this or certain segues. But, personally I can deal with that. Make the choices you want people. Now for whether this means romantic stuff later I don't think it needs to be thats mostly our choice. It definitely lets filthy shippers to click the romance button whenever it appears though way more likely. I don't think it blocks penny romance I wouldn't mind a soul bond with more than one person. Especially penny since she can be the above to the abyss below. I want a connection to something below and above is like half the reason I'm voting for this. We can find the above stuff later and penny seems a good choice. We can definitely turn this into an apprentice type deal though guys instead of romance. Plenty of familiars or fuck jedi have similar bonds like this if ya think about it they don't always fuck each other.
 
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[X] Face Value
-[X] In the form of making only as much effort as Solomon feels intrinsically motivated to do, then making a new attempt next time his power substantially improves, etcetera; although willing to help, do not prioritise the issue unless full abyssal depletion is imminent or you have reason to believe it is near a threshold. Since Solomon will be getting stronger over time, deferring thresholded issues to the last moment is optimal.
[X] Conclave

(So-discounted, Sacred Matrimoney is the mechanically best option, of course, but I don't really like its context and the discount is transferable.)
 
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firefrog600 said:
what do you not get about if the marriage option loses that birdsie doesn't actually spend the guys money? Like they didn't drop a payment specifically for this they dropped a payment a while ago and are using that payment to purchase this. Also I do still think people are overblowing this yes its technically a marriage but it doesn't need to be romantic its not like we can't theoretically make more soul connections. Fuck I would want to if we can't coast off our own power to get top tier in quest then we may as well mooch off our friends and share what they and we have for something super bullshit via connections soul bullshit.
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I don't give a flying fuck about romance. I care about introducing an unnecessary vulnerability into our very soul on a whim.
 
Deadly Snark said:
I don't give a flying fuck about romance. I care about introducing an unnecessary vulnerability into our very soul on a whim.
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Thats fine I don't differing opinions and all that. Also ngl your profile pic with this response kinda made me laugh. I figure if we're gonna have problems which we will birdsies mostly gonna just introduce them as they come. I don't think anything quest ending will happen easily.
 
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firefrog600 said:
Thats fine I don't differing opinions and all that. Also ngl your profile pic with this response kinda made me laugh. I figure if we're gonna have problems which we will birdsies mostly gonna just introduce them as they come. I don't think anything quest ending will happen easily.
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I never said quest ending. I said it wastes time.

This just brings us back to the argument of this being an issue that will just consume more screen time and word count from the characters we actually care about.

We already had to struggle just give Damien and Harrison any meaningful screentime. But given that this is basically the legacy of a Morgan of Le Fay who brought ruin to a Kingdom in the fashion of the Soulsborne settings. The issues are going to be prevasive and are not going to be easy to solve, which is the blith assumption people have. Especially with the soul bond, which could potentially make actually solving the issues count as betrayal or going against the Fate we bound ourselves to.
 
Deadly Snark said:
I never said quest ending. I said it wastes time.

This just brings us back to the argument of this being an issue that will just consume more screen time and word count from the characters we actually care about.

We already had to struggle just give Damien and Harrison any meaningful screentime. But given that this is basically the legacy of a Morgan of Le Fay who brought ruin to a Kingdom in the fashion of the Soulsborne settings. The issues are going to be prevasive and are not going to be easy to solve, which is the blith assumption people have. Especially with the soul bond, which could potentially make actually solving the issues count as betrayal or going against the Fate we bound ourselves to.
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Yeah this is gonna be true for actions taken literally almost every turn. I'm taking things as they come and I'm fine exploring this. Plus I would like a magic kingdom and minions.
 
firefrog600 said:
Yeah this is gonna be true for actions taken literally almost every turn. I'm taking things as they come and I'm fine exploring this. Plus I would like a magic kingdom and minions.
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Then go for Land of Darkness. Which would allow Sol the flexibility to actually fix the situation without having his hands bound by a Soul Bond. Plus it still gives the Kingdom and Minions.
 
Deadly Snark said:
Then go for Land of Darkness. Which would allow Sol the flexibility to actually fix the situation without having his hands bound by a Soul Bond. Plus it still gives the Kingdom and Minions.
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I'm going all in or not at all so no. Look I am fine with consequences of our actions. I am also fine with having to interact with these people more. Literally every action we take is gonna be buried by salt since every action taken is one taken from innumerable other options.
 
firefrog600 said:
I'm going all in or not at all so no. Look I am fine with consequences of our actions. I am also fine with having to interact with these people more. Literally every action we take is gonna be buried by salt since every action taken is one taken from innumerable other options.
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Just because every action taken is a lost of opportunity cost does not mean that all choices are equal, especially when jumping into what is clearly a bait to hang ourselves with.
 
Deadly Snark said:
Just because every action taken is a lost of opportunity cost does not mean that all choices are equal, especially when jumping into what is clearly a bait to hang ourselves with.
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Yes I'm basically saying I'm fine with the current opportunity cost or potential opportunity costs. I want a kingdom I don't dislike the soul thing. I don't want to pay for land of darkness at all. I dislike feeling scared basically every other update because the same scenario of opportunity costs comes up. It's just a bit tiring so I'm making a decision for myself right now that I am fine with what comes.I like the below thematics and the romance thing while existent as a concern for some well it's not a done deal so for me it's mostly a non issue.
 
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Literally all the updates before this, bar the one about Empowering were fine Opportunity cost-wise in terms of choice. And empowering was between making Sol or Penny stronger before engagement added stuff. Which meant it introduced no weaknesses.

I find it hard to see what was scary about them.

And yet the Soul Bond, which seems tailored to make us suffer the fates of Solomon and Merlin, is the one we are gonna go yolo on?
 
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Deadly Snark said:
Literally all the updates before this, bar the one about Empowering were fine Opportunity cost-wise in terms of choice. And empowering was between making Sol or Penny stronger before engagement added stuff. Which meant it introduced no weaknesses.

I find it hard to see what was scary about them.

And yet the Soul Bond, which seems tailored to make us suffer the fates of Solomon and Merlin, is the one we are gonna go yolo on?
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I'm not talking about what happened I'm talking about talk that happened both here and on discord about opportunity costs. I'm frankly tired of the conversation it has merit and I'm tired of it.

Also the Solomon and Merlin demerit just sounds like thematic exp for me. Sure it sounds like fate will screw us but it was already going to we need mcguffins and sc to not be fucked by fate permanently.
 
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[X] Face Value
[X] Sacred Matrimony

Clearly to balance the scales we must perform Sacred Matrimony with Harrison afterwards. Penelope too. And Damien just so he isn't felt left out.
Best platonic buddies!
 
firefrog600 said:
Also the Solomon and Merlin demerit just sounds like thematic exp for me. Sure it sounds like fate will screw us but it was already going to we need mcguffins and sc to not be fucked by fate permanently.
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Literally, just keep walking the path we were already on. Befriending Penny, Harrison and Damien. Three Protagonist tier friends of Sol who do not have the Fate Demerit and can therefore help us ward off the grubby hands of fate.

Hell, Penelope has literally just proved that her angel bullshit can allow her to flip off the Architecture and Fate trying to screw us. And Damien as the Hangman who is more Odin than Odin, can likely also do bullshit with Fate later on.

We already have the necessary allies to not be fucked by Fate. Sol's situation is not helped by deliberately introducing a massive weapoint in his fate and soul, and thereby all but inviting the Architecture/Karma/Fate to fuck him.
 
Deadly Snark said:
Literally, just keep walking the path we were already on. Befriending Penny, Harrison and Damien. Three Protagonist tier friends of Sol who do not have the Fate Demerit and can therefore help us ward off the grubby hands of fate.

Hell, Penelope has literally just proved that her angel bullshit can allow her to flip off the Architecture and Fate trying to screw us. And Damien as the Hangman who is more Odin than Odin, can likely also do bullshit with Fate later on.

We already have the necessary allies to not be fucked by Fate. Sol's situation is not helped by deliberately introducing a massive weapoint in his fate and soul, and thereby all but inviting the Architecture/Karma/Fate to fuck him.
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Look I get where you're coming from but I'm fine with my choice. Also I mean I'd say you're slightly over blowing our friends we will need sc to mess with fate. And our friends have mildly circumvented fate in the grand scheme of things so far also Odin is super vulnerable to fate. Also I think you're over exaggerating this as a massive weak point. It's a weak point arguably not even an easy one for anything but say fate or powerful magic or wordplay. But we are already going to be dealing with that shit ask Birdsie about your concerns.
 
[X] Face Value
[X] Sacred Matrimony [-10 Will, 5 Credit]

I think the depth of the connection offered by sacred matrimony would be sufficient to understand, or at least hint at, most of the hidden secrets in the witches coven. This is about as iron tight as an alliance can get. I'd like to have will available for the conversation with the Diamond eyed entity, and I think that conversation takes precedence over digging into the personal details of an ally willing to enter an unbreakable magically enforced bond of cooperation.
 
Lordfartquad said:
We're really giving up on best girl angel waifu for mediocre witch girl? Really?
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Think of it this way: if you have a witch girl around who's constantly flirting with you, Penelope might understand her position as best girl is threatened... and ramp up her efforts! Surely, that's the way human beings work?
 
[X] Face Value
[X] Sacred Matrimony [-10 Will, 5 Credit]

This is just significantly more interesting story wise than any of the other options.

Plus we really should save some will for diamond eyes.
 
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