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The Galaxy is Flood, Not Food

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the amuing thing is while yes the breathing mask will work short term. In Halo the Forunners used a stupidly adcanced full sealed power armor and still the flood won.
The other thing is these are cultists they will have wounds already also they arent going to be able to constantly wear protective gear at all times, all it takes is one slip and boom.
 
To be fair, did the genestealers even see something other than spores and hivemind keeping a low profile? I think they didn't, so it makes sense. It's still cute baby's first countermeasures, but it makes sense.
 
i think the wost thing his enemy is going to find is the fact his spores are now able to breed anywhere. Thats the most powerful thing from the orks he got. If he gets of that planet, theres nothing to really stop him, as orks were able to grow even on dead lifeless worlds and random asteriods. the even survived in gas giants. their biology was nuts.
 
Jackson Fox said:
So, that's 169 votes yes, 19 votes no. On Spacebattles, the results for that vote were about 108 votes yes, 10 votes no. So, 277 votes yes total, 29 votes no total.

Boy, that was a close one. Really came down to the wire there.
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Your right, I should go back and change my vote to no, really screw the slipstream boy over!
concor10 said:
i think the wost thing his enemy is going to find is the fact his spores are now able to breed anywhere. Thats the most powerful thing from the orks he got. If he gets of that planet, theres nothing to really stop him, as orks were able to grow even on dead lifeless worlds and random asteriods. the even survived in gas giants. their biology was nuts.
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Okay I'm going to need an explanation for that, I thought GGs got like super hot and molten around the surface or something
 
Balra said:
Okay I'm going to need an explanation for that, I thought GGs got like super hot and molten around the surface or something
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I've heard speculation that there are layers in gas giants that are a reasonable pressure and temperature. Just need a mechanism to keep you in the Goldilocks range. But I don't really see orks developing some sort of gas bladders or the like..
 
I guessing if it's just ork spores falling into a gas giant, they'll probably die before achieving anything. But if some orks are around, it'll grow simply because they think it's supposed to. And ain't no puny git gonna stop 'em uvverwise.
 
Balra said:
Your right, I should go back and change my vote to no, really screw the slipstream boy over!
Okay I'm going to need an explanation for that, I thought GGs got like super hot and molten around the surface or something
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The ork spores were able to survive on the currents in the GG`s atmosphere. Also it was fairly common in 40k that gas giants usually had massive stations similiar to bespin and automated refueling refinaries. So i think it was mentioned that the Admech did have to fight a ork infestation,

The only situations that mature orks cant survive are actually pretty limited. 1) stars, orks and the spores cant survive in/on/near stars(pretty much like everyone else) 2)exterminatus worlds. It was confirmed the only true way of killing not only all the orks on a planet but also to stop them respawning like the jello man on crack, was exterminatusing a planet. Obviously it wasnt common or particullary needed, as the empire was pretty able to smack them down the usual way, but they did do it when the few ork mega capitals neared Krok level populations.

Keep in mind at one point a particular ork warlord got it into his head that he would get a good fight in the warp. Look up Tuska Daemon-Killa this guys was badass even for an ork. He literally grabbed a Bloodthristers princes Junk and squeeze them with his power claw. He took his fleet towards Cadia freaking out the imperials in the process and basically shout the equivlant ork of "Leroy Jenkins" and dived into the Eye.
He spent years trashing everything they came across upto the point Khorne stuck them in his fighting arena for eternity.
It states that their Spores are constantly producing more and more orks for the arean fights. Aswell as being resurrected.

So in theory if they can surive in whats basically mystical Space Hell i wouldnt really put odds on there being anywhere they cant really survive given enough time.
 
Rathmun said:
I still chuckle at what the Imperials likely reaction to that was. "ShitShitShitShitShitShitShitShit... Huh? What!? Oh, well, all right then. Help yourselves."
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Considering they gathered up most of 2 sector fleets, hald a dozen chapters and Cadia when super bunker, im guessing heart attack, and inquisitors freaking out worse. Never mind the administation going mental about the paperwork for nothing.
 
RandomDwarf said:
Oh man, those might have worked if it was feral stage flood spores…but against a gravemind? They are just about as useful as clothes are.

If he ever gets enough biomass to become a KEYMIND…that changes *everything*…

Not even reincarnating would save them from flood infection, and that means eldar, necron, saints, and chaos will be turbo fucked.
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Yeah, reminds me of the Forerunner whatever being worried about how bad the sealed, void capable power armour of the Master Chief was... And that was likely against an infection on a smaller scale than this...

Basically, breathing apparatuses might give them a bit more time before infection, but it most definitely won't prevent it... (though it might make infection more obvious, which would cause its own issues in his current state)
 
That talk about needing to bribe the upper echelons of Malum in order to insert his Puppet... has Tide not managed to infect the local nobility yet? Or is it a matter of plausibility.
 
Strunkriidiisk said:
That talk about needing to bribe the upper echelons of Malum in order to insert his Puppet... has Tide not managed to infect the local nobility yet? Or is it a matter of plausibility.
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I think it's a combination of staying under the radar, keeping to some sort of moral compass, and really just keeping to a more human mindset.

Sure, he can take over nobility pretty quickly, even if trying not to slaughter them all indiscriminately, but I think he wants to be one of the guys who arent complete monsters. (Which I can respect.) If push comes to shove, priorities might change, but any sort of puppet/altered is going to be less brutally efficient than just murdering and absorbing everything and doing what he wants.

But keep in mind Tide is like a bug. You see one of him in public, you know a thousand are in the walls.
 
This remains a fun read keep up the good work OP I will say as far as the last chapter mind the exposition but aside from that everything seems gravy. As far as the masks Tide has already established in earlier chapters that he can get through them he just held himself back to give the imps a false sense of security.
 
Well shit, the 'nids are masking up. Did not think about that option but damn that works. I am guessing it is not just masks, but some mass produced air tight suit to cover the troops in.
 
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Strunkriidiisk said:
That talk about needing to bribe the upper echelons of Malum in order to insert his Puppet... has Tide not managed to infect the local nobility yet? Or is it a matter of plausibility.
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Plausibility and him not wanting to outright manipulate people through his infection if there are easy enough alternatives to it. He's been gathering these artifacts for a while, but not found any use for them, so he isn't really losing anything since money is basically meaningless to him except as a bargaining chip.
 
RandomDwarf said:
Oh man, those might have worked if it was feral stage flood spores…but against a gravemind? They are just about as useful as clothes are.

If he ever gets enough biomass to become a KEYMIND…that changes *everything*…

Not even reincarnating would save them from flood infection, and that means eldar, necron, saints, and chaos will be turbo fucked.
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Flood spores are weird, halo lore makes out that a single spore can devastate a planet, yet when seen in action they seem to not be nearly as lethal. In the games marines and covenant fight in areas infected with spores with no sign of infection, also flood outbreaks can the suppressed with needing to sterilise the entire area.

Could we have an author comment on how effective flood spores are in this fic?
 
Mythantor said:
Flood spores are weird, halo lore makes out that a single spore can devastate a planet, yet when seen in action they seem to not be nearly as lethal. In the games marines and covenant fight in areas infected with spores with no sign of infection, also flood outbreaks can the suppressed with needing to sterilise the entire area.

Could we have an author comment on how effective flood spores are in this fic?
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There more than one type of spore, there the slower stealthy one you see in current chapters and then there is the ultra aggressive one in the beginning that ripped through like a thousand people in a factory in a few days or less from one spore. Also he's limiting himself with his spread to not get exterminatus to kingdom come.

Edit: one guy was infected for few days then after he got purged by his fellows in the factory the entire factory got crumped in a day which is enough to form a grave mind which is like a thousand or hundred or something?
 
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Mythantor said:
Flood spores are weird, halo lore makes out that a single spore can devastate a planet, yet when seen in action they seem to not be nearly as lethal. In the games marines and covenant fight in areas infected with spores with no sign of infection, also flood outbreaks can the suppressed with needing to sterilise the entire area.

Could we have an author comment on how effective flood spores are in this fic?
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The airborne variant needs to be inhaled, enter through a wound, or otherwise be artificially administered into someone. certain types of filters are effective, but build-up of spores is very fast. The spores can land on and stick to clothes and even skin, but won't penetrate on their own.

From what I can tell, the reason the spores aren't as effective in the games is due to a combo of it not working for the game mechanics and us not seeing the results on a lot of the marines exposed. I wrote the spores to take longer to infect people, ranging from a week to several hours depending on how dense the air was with them, which I think is reasonable since we don't see any marines exposed to the spores turn during the games except through infection forms. It's also possible that the Gravemind wasn't even trying to use the spores in a combat situation, since infection forms would be more direct and immediately useful. As for the Arbiter being seemingly immune, I chalk that up to his shields burning the spores that come in contact with it.

psychoblood said:
There more than one type of spore, there the slower stealthy one you see in current chapters and then there is the ultra aggressive one in the beginning that ripped through like a thousand people in a factory in a few days or less from one spore. Also he's limiting himself with his spread to not get exterminatus to kingdom come.

Edit: one guy was infected for few days then after he got purged by his fellows in the factory the entire factory got crumped in a day which is enough to form a grave mind which is like a thousand or hundred or something?
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96 people killed, around half formed a Proto-Gravemind, other half used as combat forms in chapter 1.
 
Navigators going to be blown away when they see Tide's slipspace. Can Tide use a slipspace drive as a weapon like it was used to destroy that 20km long Covenant super carrier in halo reach?
 
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