The Galaxy is Flood, Not Food

The good news (for now) is I'm pretty sure Tide's 'range' covers the entire planet.

At this point, its basically a good bit of distance beyond the star system. Not close to a lightyear or anything, but still pretty far.

I wonder how much damage a flood form can absorb.

I notice that this is a thing that can take a functional creature, and twist them into a nightmare abomination of teeth and claw in like.. roughly 20 seconds. Then I ask.. why would small pieces of metal and/or plasma actually kill things that can do this? Do they even have vital organs? Thinking on it, wouldn't it be more likely flood forms are just rendered immobile, rather than killed? It's not like the Halo series stayed around the bodies for long.

Are there examples around that show that flood need to be burned/melted/atomized to be truly neutralized? Cause I could easily see these things slowly regenerating or eating each other to get a new form out in a few days.. weeks.. whatever.

Hi! Funny you should bring this up, Flood in the Halo games are really fucking good at taking hits from kinetic rounds like what humanity uses. As in, they're basically immune to one of the most powerful guns in the game (the sniper rifle). They have a rougher time with plasma and explosive weapons.

Flood do have vital organs, though they don't need nearly as many as ordinary lifeforms. If you deal enough damage, particularly with plasma weapons, they'll basically 'die' though they can be resurrected/repaired by infection forms sometimes. That's one of the reasons why its important in the games to destroy the bodies after killing them. As in, one of those pods will hop in that combat form that you just barely managed to kill earlier and now its back up and slapping you around again. Flood don't really heal so much as they repair themselves.

So, stubbers are basically useless against a proper Flood form, Pure or Combat, lasguns are pretty good, plasma is great, and the bane of the Flood's existence would be Necron gauss weaponry which tears things apart at the atomic level. Bolters would be decent since the impact of the shells themselves wouldn't do much damage, but the follow-up explosion would probably hurt like hell.

Staaahp it! The flood doesn't need to be more scary, staaahp.

I don't think I know of an actual virus or similar alien existential threat in fiction that is more terrifying/powerful than the Flood.
 
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So, stubbers are basically useless against a proper Flood form, Pure or Combat, lasguns are pretty good, plasma is great, and the bane of the Flood's existence would be Necron gauss weaponry which tears things apart at the atomic level.
Meltas would be good too. They are one of the few weapons that can actually harm adamantium beyond just bending it a little.

I don't think I know of an actual virus or similar alien existential threat in fiction that is more terrifying/powerful than the Flood.
Bydo from R-Type. They take it to the next level.
 
Meltas would be good too. They are one of the few weapons that can actually harm adamantium beyond just bending it a little.


Bydo from R-Type. They take it to the next level.

Yeah, basically anything that uses heat as it's killing method over launching sharp metal at high speeds is gonna do alright to very well.

Not familiar with Bydo so I looked up their wiki. I'm not really familiar with the setting, I don't know how strong their weapons and armor are or anything, but nothing they did on a genetic level really seemed superior to Flood beyond their ability to convert non-organic material which, i admit, is pretty damn good.
 
Flood infection via spores isn't inevitable either. The human immune system can fight off 1 or 2 spores, if the target is healthy unlike the poor hive mooks. The space marine gene mods would almost certainly make them highly resistant.
Sources for this is the fact unsc marines continued to fight for several weeks in areas almost certainly highly compromised by spores. Also the need for infection forms. I guess the spores might be more effective with a gravemind guiding them.
 
Not familiar with Bydo so I looked up their wiki. I'm not really familiar with the setting, I don't know how strong their weapons and armor are or anything, but nothing they did on a genetic level really seemed superior to Flood beyond their ability to convert non-organic material which, i admit, is pretty damn good.
Bydo were supposed to be an ideal weapon for humanity. And humanity kinda succeed. Not only are they able to travel through time and space but they are also not really an organism - they are an infectious information wave. Just observing a bydo is potentially enough to turn you or your technological sensors into more bydo. There are some limitations - smaller bydo forms are not really capable of thinking properly and need a central intelligence - but they do a lot of horrible shit throughout the games.

Most pilots are selected from people resistant to infection and its kinda canon that they are all still infected and their actual advantage over everyone else is that they can keep themselves together and pretend, even to themselves, that they are humans.

The only way Bydo were beaten is by protagonist of the series using time travel to die thousands, possibly millions of times until they managed to deal with the Bydo Core. There is a scene where you get to observe a space filled with the wrecks of all of your ships that were lost in time. It didn't actually kill the Bydo just turned most of them feral.
 
On aesthetics for tide altered

I reccomend going for that industrial,ultilitarian gun metal and concrete aesthetics

Simply and primitive tech mass produced but also optimized for the task at hand

See starcraft terrans,avatar RDA,elysium,chappie,colonial marines (aliens) and edge of tomorrow


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Long story short the bydo are (at least superficially) biological based assimilator species that can warp reality and chunks reality,so silentium halo level of threath

Pretty much like the flood

"Huh,figthing this flesh monster is easy i dont see why command worry so m-.......is that sun growing tendrils?! And why the fuck are the robot growing teeths!?"

Bydo aint limited to biomass either,so anything with a physical presence is corruptible
 
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Hi! Funny you should bring this up, Flood in the Halo games are really fucking good at taking hits from kinetic rounds like what humanity uses. As in, they're basically immune to one of the most powerful guns in the game (the sniper rifle). They have a rougher time with plasma and explosive weapons.
Ah, 343 Guilty Spark. The level that establishes that Mr. Shotgun will be your best friend for the rest of the game.
 
I imagine that just like with Orkz, Volkite weaponry would be amazing against the Flood.

As for the Emperor, I imagine that he would be very worried about the flood if he could see it and understand it if only because of how terrifyingly intelligent a Keymind is.
From all their feats Flood cognition approaches 'God AI running on a planet of computronium' levels of processing power, along with a sophisticated and rational intelligence behind it.

It'd important to remember that the Forerunners didn't actually defeat the Flood, they did exactly what the flood wanted them to do in order to better punish the Forerunners.

If the Emperor understands that he's dealing with a sophisticated xenos intelligence that may very well be smarter than even he is I expect the Custodes to be getting some VERY pointed dreams, this might even be something the Emperor warns Guilliman of if they haven't had their conversation yet.
 
I don't think I know of an actual virus or similar alien existential threat in fiction that is more terrifying/powerful than the Flood
The Beast from Homeworld probably is as powerful, or it comes pretty close. I don't feel like it was ever used to its fullest potential though. But then again, neither was The Flood. If either of them were, the games would have ended pretty quickly, methink
 
You know, it's nice to see a reminder that for all that the imperium does that's good and stabilizing, it's filled with near-mindless fanatics.

If I feel bad for anyone, it's the souls of the people who were trampled under cruel and unforgiving doctrine. Just think on it; a group of people go to join a holy crusade. They want to help people, fight the baddies! But if they're not strong enough to make the journey, or perhaps even unlucky, they are forgotten and reviled, corpses rotting away where they fall.

Like.. we're supposed to like the Sisters , right? Even the 'good' guys in the setting have me wishing Tide would just.. kill everyone with any authority and start over educating the local peasants.
The closest things to good guys are the Farsight Enclaves the Lamenters and maybe the Salamanders(they did kill some Eldar that were protecting a human population from dark eldar and had surrendered to them but at least their primarch deeply regretted it) they've done a couple bad things it's complicated.
 
Wait does that mean he can throw someone to one of the other planets in the system? I don't remember if they came up with the planet being in a warp storm

His throwing range is different from his control range. Technically, he doesn't have a 'range', his limit is accuracy. The further the distance and larger the thing he throws, the shittier his accuracy becomes to a greater and greater degree. At this point he'd have a decent chance of hitting a nearby planet in the system he was aiming for, but it'd be rough.

The Beast from Homeworld probably is as powerful, or it comes pretty close. I don't feel like it was ever used to its fullest potential though. But then again, neither was The Flood. If either of them were, the games would have ended pretty quickly, methink

Only vaguely familiar with the Beast (briefly thought you meant 40k Beast and was wondering what the hell you were talking about) and with Homeworld as a setting. I vaguely recall reading a Commander fic that had Homeworld as one of its destinations, I think it was Drich's Commander. I never really got the sense that the Beast was very coordinated or intelligent though, more just like what we see of the Flood in a feral state.

The closest things to good guys are the Farsight Enclaves the Lamenters and maybe the Salamanders(they did kill some Eldar that were protecting a human population from dark eldar and had surrendered to them but at least their primarch deeply regretted it) they've done a couple bad things it's complicated.

I've found it endlessly and gruesomely hilarious that the most lovable of the Primarchs still burned a child to death. That's just quintessential grim darkness that even the character everyone agrees is the nicest of the lot still committed an unforgivable atrocity willingly.

Farsight Enclaves are pretty chill, though even in less grimdark settings their caste system would probably see them viewed with some disdain by the normal 'good guys' of normal sci-if settings.

And Lamenters… well, I don't know if they've done anything bad actually. I think they keep dying too quickly to actually accomplish anything remotely fiendish.

Thing is pretty terrifying

By that do you mean the Thing from outer space from the movie? If so, yeah, on a personal encounter level it's probably on the same level as a Flood pure form would except more intelligent (as an individual, not counting Flood mind forms).
 
For "least grimdark" you might want Exodite Eldar, basically the Space Amish. Not genocidy, haven't committed atrocities so far as I know, and mostly would like to be left alone. Maybe some racism towards anyone not Aeldari but they're significantly less racist than…. Basically any other Aeldari.
 
I've found it endlessly and gruesomely hilarious that the most lovable of the Primarchs still burned a child to death. That's just quintessential grim darkness that even the character everyone agrees is the nicest of the lot still committed an unforgivable atrocity willingly.
To be fair, said 'child' was 1) more of a teenage sort of thing, or the space elf equivalent, 2) an actively unstable psyker, or at least presenting as such. At that point, yes you're burning someone alive, but you're also defusing a bomb.
 
Farsight Enclaves are pretty chill, though even in less grimdark settings their caste system would probably see them viewed with some disdain by the normal 'good guys' of normal sci-if settings.
They actually aren't forced into living anywhere specific or do anything based on caste. Its just the general population are separated by caste based on planet but there is theoretically nothing stopping them from moving or for an earth caste to be a warrior or a water caste a scientist. So they're working on it. One of the 8(which is Farsights honor guard group) is an earth caste.
 
For "least grimdark" you might want Exodite Eldar, basically the Space Amish. Not genocidy, haven't committed atrocities so far as I know, and mostly would like to be left alone. Maybe some racism towards anyone not Aeldari but they're significantly less racist than…. Basically any other Aeldari.
Even then, I wonder if they're racist. To quote Abridged Alucard, "I hate everyone equally."

Doesn't matter who you are or what you look like, if you're actually talking to an Exodite, you're probably tresspassing. Not a great first impression.
 
Quite a surprise that Exodite Eldar and the humans were living together in harmony on Caldera until everything changed when the Salamanders attacked.
To be fair to them the Night Lords started it kinda. Edit Also Kurze let them out of their prison to cause havoc and to get Vulcan to kill one of them after they surrendered again. A Night Lord bolt shell hit one of his remembrancer's who he cared about a lot. Durring the cross fire of the xenos escape. Again kinda complicated.
 
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