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The Firestorm: A crossover invasion game. Looking for a 40k faction player.

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HoratioVonBecker said:
@Mental Omega, I now have a conundrum. It wouldn't really be in character for my faction to have civilians, but ignoring highly practical solutions that happen to involve diplomacy would also be out of character. Can I trade my civilians for troops without going Only War?
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I'd put that up to GM discussion as that's unprecedented.
 
HoratioVonBecker said:
@Mental Omega, I now have a conundrum. It wouldn't really be in character for my faction to have civilians, but ignoring highly practical solutions that happen to involve diplomacy would also be out of character. Can I trade my civilians for troops without going Only War?
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IMO you have two ways to accomplish this.

1.) Spend army percentages on civilians.
Basically do what we do with other units. You may get civies that way, IMO.

2.) Make a normal faction but pick a perk and weakness which has the Only War faction's features somewhat watered down.
Thus you can actually do diplomacy but at extreme maluses while getting some army and industry boost. And of course you can have civilians this way.
 
Well, if you were planning on changing your force list to add stuff from ORCA, it would be nice if you could do that soon. You also should probably add a couple advantages/disadvantages.
 
mr_stibbons said:
Well, if you were planning on changing your force list to add stuff from ORCA, it would be nice if you could do that soon. You also should probably add a couple advantages/disadvantages.
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Anyone from ORCA you'd recommend? Also, any ideas for good advantages/disadvantages? I'm currently lacking a bit in ideas.
 
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willyvereb said:
Wouldn't ORCA be much easier to choose?They have 12 NEXTs which you can potentially extend to 14 (Strayed and a bit of AU magic even White Glint).
They also have large anti-orbital cannon walkers and Arms Forts for added variety. You may also try having Assault Cells as orbital assets.

Normals are usually 5-8 meters tall so they are still within the limits of beast of war category. Muscle Tracers especially don't count as the same level as normals. P90-NOSHIELD is technically a power armor but in effect they are the size of a Knightmare Frame. I think you'd do better to include them as cavalry but elite soldier category is borderline so it's fine. Similarly vehicles too small in comparison to Normals and MTs might be moved to the cavalry category.
As for infantry, I don't even remember AC4 having any of those. I think in a world where Kojima radiation is a serious threat having unprotected soldiers is a very bad idea.

Also just like how many UC Gundam factions would be Type B I think you can get away with the same here.
Just make the more OP machines as Type A in cost (occupy double the normal, so rather than 50 mechs, you can only have 25 or something).
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@Jack Hansan
I have yet to see you make any edit based on what I said before.
Jack Hansan said:
Decided to settle in Line Ark due to not being able to figure out how to fill out the rest of either sheet for the Neo UN or Tatsumiya Island. If there are any number errors, please let me know.

Line Ark
Line Ark: Tier A
Leader: Line Ark Council
Why are you here?:


5 Great war engines: traded for more ships of the line


2 war engines:
White Glint
Strayed's NEXT


1500 beasts of war:
200 GOPPERT-G3
300 GA03-SOLARWIND
1000 MAMULK Muscle Tracers

10,000 cavalry:
7000 GAM4-WILDBOAR MBT
3000 GAM2-ARBALESTER

2,500 elite infantry:
1,000 GAP90-NOSHIELD
1,500 Line Ark Special Forces

100,000 Infantry:
100,000 Line Ark Military Police

300,000 Chaff Infantry: traded for more beasts of war


10 heroes:
Anatolia's Raven
Strayed
8 Ace Normal Pilots

10 ships of the line:
3 046CV1180-Class Aircraft Carrier
7 047ST1260-Class Battleship

75 Galleons:
60 Aegis Destroyer
15 Agadir-Class Submarine

500 galleys: traded for more galleons


5 airships: traded for more beasts of war


25 heavy aircraft: traded for more calvary


500 light aircraft:
500 GAAH3-COMET

4,000,000 Civilians

Location:

Still that blue dot next to Teraga.

Also, any suggestions on some good advantages and drawbacks would be would be helpful as well.
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Also quoted this profile for our convenience.
 
I actually changed the infantry to Military Police. Though, Interior Defence Troops would probably be more appropriate.
 
Jack Hansan said:
Anyone from ORCA you'd recommend? Also, any ideas for good advantages/disadvantages? I'm currently lacking a bit in ideas.
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I'd probably pick any given eight, just to make the numbers for your war engines work out nicely. Probably try to get a mix of next types, and don't take the genocidal nutcase. You could also grab the rebuilt ARETHA, but it doesn't have a defined pilot.

For advantages:
Open to all who wish for liberty: Line ark takes in any who believe in their ideals of freedom and democracy-bonus to diplomacy, easier to recruit foreign citizens to your faction.

Disadvantages-walking wastelands: Though the combat capabilities granted by kojima particles are extraordinary, their use is extremely damaging to unshielded civilians and the environment. Prolonged use will cause environmental damage and may be considered an atrocity by other factions.
 
mr_stibbons said:
I'd probably pick any given eight, just to make the numbers for your war engines work out nicely. Probably try to get a mix of next types, and don't take the genocidal nutcase. You could also grab the rebuilt ARETHA, but it doesn't have a defined pilot.

For advantages:
Open to all who wish for liberty: Line ark takes in any who believe in their ideals of freedom and democracy-bonus to diplomacy, easier to recruit foreign citizens to your faction.

Disadvantages-walking wastelands: Though the combat capabilities granted by kojima particles are extraordinary, their use is extremely damaging to unshielded civilians and the environment. Prolonged use will cause environmental damage and may be considered an atrocity by other factions.
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So Shinkai, Malzel, Vaoh, Juilius Emery, Totient and Hari?
 
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@HoratioVonBecker i guess you could convert civies to troops, but then you lose the infrastructure and culture the civilians effectively create. if you only have troops, you technically have no cities, just barracks. your overall infrastructure will be more militarized, with less room for traditional civilian qualities.

You could do it but you'd face some repercussions when dealing with civil problems or immigrants.
 
Gears said:
@HoratioVonBecker i guess you could convert civies to troops, but then you lose the infrastructure and culture the civilians effectively create. if you only have troops, you technically have no cities, just barracks. your overall infrastructure will be more militarized, with less room for traditional civilian qualities.

You could do it but you'd face some repercussions when dealing with civil problems or immigrants.
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Well, the closest to 'civilians' I have are my Factory Cities in the Airship slot, which are almost fully automated. Immigrants could be useful for producing Faith, though.
So what's a good exchange rate for Civilians? I think trading all of them to triple my army sounds about right. I wouldn't get a Focus, like Only War factions, and I wouldn't get the Only War production bonus, but I'd be about halfway there. Fair?
 
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Jack Hansan said:
I guess my sheet is ready then.
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Ok. Would you prefer to start on turn two proper, so I can figure out what on earth is going on in the general area, or take a similar deal to Dai-gurren and start a chat now? Also, if it isn't too much trouble, add a short intro to your sheet, including how you're crossing over.

@Mental Omega: could I get you to thread mark Jack Hansen's new sheet? It's on page 70.
 
mr_stibbons said:
Ok. Would you prefer to start on turn two proper, so I can figure out what on earth is going on in the general area, or take a similar deal to Dai-gurren and start a chat now? Also, if it isn't too much trouble, add a short intro to your sheet, including how you're crossing over.

@Mental Omega: could I get you to thread mark Jack Hansen's new sheet? It's on page 70.
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Whichever option you would find easier. And sure, I'll try and make a short intro.

Edit: Added short blurb on how Line Ark got here. Do tell me if there is anything wrong.
 
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HoratioVonBecker said:
Well, the closest to 'civilians' I have are my Factory Cities in the Airship slot, which are almost fully automated. Immigrants could be useful for producing Faith, though.
So what's a good exchange rate for Civilians? I think trading all of them to triple my army sounds about right. I wouldn't get a Focus, like Only War factions, and I wouldn't get the Only War production bonus, but I'd be about halfway there. Fair?
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Can I get a consensus on this?
 
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I actually meant triple, and have edited as such. Incidentally, @samandias, thank you very much for introducing me to Diggy Diggy Hole; it made a very pleasant end to a somewhat long day.
 
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*looks at the Mushroom Kingdom faction*

Is is wrong that I'm imagining one of the unnamed Great War Engines as Peach's Castle from the time Fawful turned it into a giant robot?
 
Mental Omega said:
Now who will be the first to run afoul of the Totenkopfs.
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Probably myself due to Evangeline von Totenkopf and the fact that researching new units means making Even More Killy MonstersTM​. I mean, my entire faction's history is that a Race that eats other races and splices them with the other races already eaten to make Even More Killy MonstersTM​ for a end goal that's yet to be decided. Undermind is all for peace and love and whatnot, but he can't escape the fact that he's the controlling force of a bunch of War-Amalgamates.

HoratioVonBecker said:
@Troglodyte:
Having never yet played a CCG, I'd assume my faction's really broken trait is free summoning, to get around prohibitive deployment costs. The fact that light units automatically return from the Graveyard after a couple of turns wouldn't hurt, though, nor would the fact that the heavies are better than almost anyone else's. (The Grey Widowmakers would have a cruise missile launch ability, incidentally.)
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Yup, you sound properly overpowered.
Onslaught: Unit summons units from the controller's library every turn. Unit may not summon a combined value greater than it's own value -1 per turn.
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T, Onslaught: Search controller's library for a creature that shares a creature type and has a CMC of the same amount or 1 above.
Still stupidly good, but less good than what you had down first.
Optimize: Choose one color. Unit gains +1/+1 regarding all creatures and spells of that color. Further use cancels prior ones, but multiple instances can be activated simultaneously.
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Optimize: At the beginning of your upkeep name a color, this unit counts as having a power and toughness 2 higher than the actual amount when interacting with spells of the named color.
The wording is awkward, and you don't get the bonus when you're actually hitting the player, but it makes you a pretty big thorn in the side of whomever you pick. I considered something like protection from chosen color until end of turn but that was way too good.
Herokiller: Choose up to one ability from each creature this unit has attacked this turn. That ability is suppressed until this unit takes its next turn, or dies.
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Herokiller: When this creature is blocking or blocked, remove all abilities from the other creature(s) until end of turn or until this creature leaves the battlefield; whichever comes first.
Makes it so the ability only triggers in combat, but I think it's still mostly the same.
Necron_Lord said:
"No thank you, we much prefer human blood."
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So if I ended up making a Zerg that was basically a garbage-eater with a high regeneration would you be okay using it for food purposes? This is assuming we're friendly enough with one another for trading to be an option.

In regards to themes: The Zerg have many, but none satisfy me.


Sorry I've been so quiet as of late; I had my own finals to run through and things have finally died down now.
 
undead frog said:
Is is wrong that I'm imagining one of the unnamed Great War Engines as Peach's Castle from the time Fawful turned it into a giant robot?
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Yes and no. While you have the general gist of what sort of War Engines I plan to use, the Fawfulized Peach's Castle is not one of the Great War Engines. Bowser completely destroyed the Castle's main OS and all of its onboard weaponry while he was giant, and then he proceeded to beat the Tabasco sauce out of the guy that invented it, and the Cosmic Horror that was powering it. Since said inventor was a raving lunatic that pretty much made a deal with one of the main candidates for the Mario-verse's equivalent of the Devil, Rosalina would likely frown upon any attempt at duplicating his designs.

That being said, once I actually get some researching done, you should probably expect a lot more giant monsters in the future. A lot more.
 
MrEgret said:
Yes and no. While you have the general gist of what sort of War Engines I plan to use, the Fawfulized Peach's Castle is not one of the Great War Engines. Bowser completely destroyed the Castle's main OS and all of its onboard weaponry while he was giant, and then he proceeded to beat the Tabasco sauce out of the guy that invented it, and the Cosmic Horror that was powering it. Since said inventor was a raving lunatic that pretty much made a deal with one of the main candidates for the Mario-verse's equivalent of the Devil, Rosalina would likely frown upon any attempt at duplicating his designs.
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Makes sense.

Expect now I really wonder how you got Bonetail on board sense last I remembered he was one of the Shadow Queens pets, someone who strikes me as much more threatening then the Dark Star given the scale I've seen the two operate on.

Also if Bonetail is with you does this mean you have the Return Postage badge?
 
undead frog said:
Makes sense.

Expect now I really wonder how you got Bonetail on board sense last I remembered he was one of the Shadow Queens pets, someone who strikes me as much more threatening then the Dark Star given the scale I've seen the two operate on.

Also if Bonetail is with you does this mean you have the Return Postage badge?
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Bonetail's original personality was worn away from the centuries that it had been imprisoned in the Pit of 100 Trials, and as such, it's little more than an animal at this point. When Bowser and Kammy Koopa absconded from the Palace of Shadow while Mario and company were fighting the Shadow Queen, they wound up fighting through the entire Pit of 100 Trials after making a wrong turn. Bowser saw the strength that Bonetail possessed, and pretty much adopted him into the Koopa Troop. Which means that he would suffer from decreased morale if fighting alongside Mushroom Kingdom forces, barring some outside faction moderating the two.

As for the Return Postage badge, Mario has it, as he defeated Bonetal before challenging the Shadow Queen. Since he's currently in another dimension...
 
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