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Personally I'm hesitant to take out the NR before Dark Empire because Luke and Leia are going to be our best shot at killing Sidious in that case. Plus a lot of our ex-coworkers will become members of the Dark Empire as well. Maybe a new solution for the New Republic will arise in the meantime. Possibly form a federation or alliance with us at the helm of its military forces? Helping save the galaxy from the revived Emperor Palpatine ought to give us at least a shot at it.
Eh again I don't like the idea of us letting the NR be around for that long, the longer there here the harder it'll become to root them out. That and I'm pretty sure we'd have launched our invasion before the Dark Empire(that's what happened in legends I believe). But again this is us looking pretty far forward and as long as everyone's in general agreement to conquer the whole galaxy then I'm pretty open to the approach and if one of said approaches is a plan to try and use the NR as a shield/fodder against the Dark Empire and weaken them in the same stroke for us to conquer after then I'm ok with it.
 
Eh again I don't like the idea of us letting the NR be around for that long, the longer there here the harder it'll become to root them out. That and I'm pretty sure we'd have launched our invasion before the Dark Empire(that's what happened in legends I believe). But again this is us looking pretty far forward and as long as everyone's in general agreement to conquer the whole galaxy then I'm pretty open to the approach and if one of said approaches is a plan to try and use the NR as a shield/fodder against the Dark Empire and weaken them in the same stroke for us to conquer after then I'm ok with it.
Thrawn's campaign did happen right before Dark Empire but I don't see us being able to defeat Sidious himself. His power in the Force is too great for our advisor to overcome alone and with his Transfer Essence technique we won't put a stop to this threat with a simple orbital bombardment. If we can get the NR to take the brunt of the invasion and then finish them off once it's over that's fine, but I do want them there when it happens.
 
Thrawn's campaign did happen right before Dark Empire but I don't see us being able to defeat Sidious himself. His power in the Force is too great for our advisor to overcome alone and with his Transfer Essence technique we won't put a stop through this threat with a simple orbital bombardment. If we can get the NR to take the brunt of the invasion and then finish them off once it's over that's fine, but I do want them there when it happens.
Fair enough I suppose as long as the NR is gone before the Vong I don't really care on the how. Still though we'll need to wait and see after all we're not the only actors in quest so who knows what'll happen.
 
And guess what Humans make up the majority of the population of the galaxy by a major amount.

Just a minor quibble, that is extremely unlikely to be true, and is not supported by the lore at all.

What the lore says is that humans are the most common single species in the Star Wars galaxy. That means they make up the largest portion of the galactic population of any species, but the galactic population includes literally millions of recognized sentient species. With that many races out there, humans could easily make up less than 0.001% of the total galactic population, and still be the most common race out there. Personally (meaning pure opinion on my part, since there's no specific figure given in the lore that I could find), I suspect the actual figure is somewhere around 5-10% (with variations possible depending on whether the least differentiated "near-human" races are counted or not) given how many of them we see running around in the movies, and the fact that they dominate the population-dense Core Worlds. Certainly very common by any measure when the sheer scale of galactic civilization is considered, but to claim them as a plain majority of the galaxy's sentients is just a bridge too far.
 
Thrawn's campaign did happen right before Dark Empire but I don't see us being able to defeat Sidious himself. His power in the Force is too great for our advisor to overcome alone and with his Transfer Essence technique we won't put a stop to this threat with a simple orbital bombardment. If we can get the NR to take the brunt of the invasion and then finish them off once it's over that's fine, but I do want them there when it happens.

Fair enough I suppose as long as the NR is gone before the Vong I don't really care on the how. Still though we'll need to wait and see after all we're not the only actors in quest so who knows what'll happen.

The way it was explained (after realizing that the Thrawn trilogy was more popular than Dark Empire - the former considered ancillary, but the latter prime canon during development) was that Palps delayed Operation Shadow Hand until Thrawn was out of the picture. He was the one person he feared could take him out, despite the force and his warmachines, because he could effectively spring the trap he'd set for the disloyal (not evil) Imperials, and lead them and the NR against him.


Also there's a good chance a large number of the people that were with him, would (aside from the mind controlled thralls) side with Thrawn as he had a reputation for NOT killing people because they felt like it

Essentially if we want to take out Palps we need to trick him into action (fake our own death). and use it as an excuse to galvanise the more sane/decent elements of the Empire; and develop at least something of relations with the Rebellion/NR (I don't really consider the NR the NR until they take coruscant, as by that point Mon Mothma has started to actively govern and standardise the fleets/bureacracy.... and also when all the political issues started to kick in)
 
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The way it was explained (after realizing that the Thrawn trilogy was more popular than Dark Empire - the former considered ancillary, but the latter prime canon during development) was that Palps delayed Operation Shadow Hand until Thrawn was out of the picture. He was the one person he feared could take him out, despite the force and his warmachines, because he could effectively spring the trap he'd set for the disloyal (not evil) Imperials, and lead them and the NR against him.


Also there's a good chance a large number of the people that were with him, would (aside from the mind controlled thralls) side with Thrawn as he had a reputation for NOT killing people because they felt like it.
Ooh so there's a chance that we won't need the NR or whatnot after all and can handle Palp's by ourselves well now that has me intrigued!
 
The way it was explained (after realizing that the Thrawn trilogy was more popular than Dark Empire - the former considered ancillary, but the latter prime canon during development) was that Palps delayed Operation Shadow Hand until Thrawn was out of the picture. He was the one person he feared could take him out, despite the force and his warmachines, because he could effectively spring the trap he'd set for the disloyal (not evil) Imperials, and lead them and the NR against him.
Did he actually fear Thrawn or did he want the galaxy to be in the maximum state of disorder for his return?
Essentially if we want to take out Palps we need to trick him into action (fake our own death). and use it as an excuse to galvanise the more sane/decent elements of the Empire; and develop at least something of relations with the Rebellion/NR (I don't really consider the NR the NR until they take coruscant, as by that point Mon Mothma has started to actively govern and standardise the fleets/bureacracy.... and also when all the political issues started to kick in)
Faking our death is an interesting consideration, but without knowing Sidious lives we would not have a reason to do so. Alternatively, if Palpatine suspects that we intend to stabilize the galaxy and restore diplomatic relations between its governments rather than just conquer everything he would have no choice but to take action, kill us, and take control over the Remnant.
Ooh so there's a chance that we won't need the NR or whatnot after all and can handle Palp's by ourselves well now that has me intrigued!
Apparently so. The question is how we will know about Palps since he has the power of secrecy, thus leaving us at a disadvantage.
 
Ooh so there's a chance that we won't need the NR or whatnot after all and can handle Palp's by ourselves well now that has me intrigued!
Well we need luke and Leia (at minimum), Jade would probably help (though she needs her charcter arc with Karrde, and Luke before she can be trusted not to go back to pappy palps); and a F*** ton of Yslimari (even sending small shuttles/fighters with one aboard, or boarding drills/craft with one, would disrupt an entire Eclipse/world devastator as they were partly run through the force [palps and his acholtyes controlling it and enhancing it) . Allow us to break through the force storms that surround Byss, etc
 
Apparently so. The question is how we will know about Palps since he has the power of secrecy, thus leaving us at a disadvantage.
I'd assume we can work on that by continually expanding our spy networks and stumbling on him eventually but we have time in game for us to stumble upon it so I'm not too worried yet.
Well we need luke and Leia (at minimum), Jade would probably help (though she needs her charcter arc with Karrde, and Luke before she can be trusted not to go back to pappy palps); and a F*** ton of Yslimari (even sending small shuttles/fighters with one aboard, or boarding drills/craft with one, would disrupt an entire Eclipse/world devastator as they were partly run through the force [palps and his acholtyes controlling it and enhancing it) . Allow us to break through the force storms that surround Byss, etc
We'll probably will need Luke and Leia but we don't need the NR for that technically at least, and the rest while a bit problematic aren't too hard once we have the regions of space that has said minerals available so again isn't an impossible hurdle to cross. I'd be hard to do by ourselves but not impossible either so I say we give it a shot.
 
Did he actually fear Thrawn or did he want the galaxy to be in the maximum state of disorder for his return?

Faking our death is an interesting consideration, but without knowing Sidious lives we would not have a reason to do so. Alternatively, if Palpatine suspects that we intend to stabilize the galaxy and restore diplomatic relations between its governments rather than just conquer everything he would have no choice but to take action, kill us, and take control over the Remnant.

Apparently so. The question is how we will know about Palps since he has the power of secrecy, thus leaving us at a disadvantage.
If our network discovers Sate Pestages records/information, we'll know about Palps survival, he was the only member of the Imperial Ruling council (the closest person Palps ever considered to be a friend, so make that what you will) to know about Palps clone plan, and Byss. His role was primarily (not that he fully knew) was to lead the Imperial remnants and slowly lose to the rebellion/warlords but keeping the core loyal. But his general incompetance and misrule instead led to his execution by Isard which led to the cluster F that proceeded over the next 4 years.

Palps then decided to just roll with it, build up his fleet; pray to whatever equivelent there is to Satan that the Vong wouldn't invade yet; and wait until the greatest amount of chaos and damage (that he could accept) to the galaxy was achieved (the NR and Vong leading false flag operations deep in warlord territory to make them fight one another); before as the sole strong power declared war on the galaxy (and hoped the Vong wouldn't call his bluff)


The greatest spanner in his works was when Thrawn came out from the EotH territories and took command (of some) of the Imperial navy (11 SD's I believe) and led a miracle campaign that within a hairsbreath of critically slaying the NR. In the case thrawn had survived, Palps plan was to assasinate him, make it look like it was the rebellion, and then take over his former empire (with a lot less purges, until later)
 
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I know this is based on Legends, but I prefer Palp dying and staying dead by Vader's hand unlike the other two time lines
 
In the case thrawn had survived, Palps plan was to assasinate him, make it look like it was the rebellion, and then take over his former empire (with a lot less purges, until later)
Well... shit. A surprise decapitation strike by Sidious may actually succeed in taking us out... So once we do defeat the NR we will immediately be set upon by Sheev unless we force his hand early. Still think it'd be better to finish the NR after Palpy is dealt with then
 
I know this is based on Legends, but I prefer Palp dying and staying dead by Vader's hand unlike the other two time lines
understandable, but in legends its a core component that seperates the Empire, from the Imperial remnants (warlords and Pellaeon faction).

His return essentially broke the illusion that the palpatine era had any redeeming features, driving millions of worlds to the NR; and forcing the IR to reform.

The issue that comes with Legends is that his return was etched into its annals in the early days, becoming foundational; unlike canon where it was shoe horned in because they didn't have any other options and didn't want to lose face until the trilogy ended.

It would be a very interesting what if in Legends if Palps clone/byss plan never paid off. Setting up everything but not accounting for this revolutionary force technique not to work. and the slow grind of the Galactic civil war as the Imperials were never sabotaged or crippled by him during OSH. Without his return more imperial worlds would have stayed loyal, and the vaccum he and later Daala established would have never allowed Pellaeon to seize power. Or maybe at some point he (pellaeon) loses it, and decides to take up Thrawn's banner after being ordered to bombard yet another planet into submission leading to a true imperial civil war...

Well... shit. A surprise decapitation strike by Sidious may actually succeed in taking us out... So once we do defeat the NR we will immediately be set upon by Sheev unless we force his hand early. Still think it'd be better to finish the NR after Palpy is dealt with then
His plan retroactively was written that he wanted Bilbringi to force the NR into an armistice/peace treaty; he didn't care for the rebellion or the Empire, only fighting off the Vong; ending this needless war started and built upon by palps mindless (in his opinion at the time) cruelty and malpractice was the primary goal.
 
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His plan retroactively was written that he wanted Bilbringi to force the NR into an armistice/peace treaty; he didn't care for the rebellion or the Empire, only fighting off the Vong; ending this needless war started and built upon by palps mindless (in his opinion at the time) cruelty and malpractice was the primary goal.
I knew about his goal regarding fighting the Vong, but I had no idea he wanted Bilbringi to be the end of the war entirely. Hm... I assume one of the things he would have wanted would be to increase galactic military buildup? Having the NR and the EotH as non-hostile but rival factions would almost certainly ensure an arms race...
 
I can't remember the timeline. This is after the "Glove of Darth Vader" right? since Sate Prestage is dead?

On the other hand, I kinda want the Restored Empire's warehouse on RZ7-6113-23 since they still have perfectly preserved Clone Wars gear and vehicles.
 
Why are some people dead set on having conflict with the new republic?

Out of all the major factions they are the most non-evil and, as long as we don't do anything particularly bad to provoke them, least likely to try and kill us.

I'd be perfectly fine with a non-aggression treaty and then the both of us splitting up the rest of the galaxy between us and working together to stop various darksiders and other major threats.

If they come after us, sure smack them down, but I'm genuinely baffled by the amount of "screw them, we're gonna get them" I'm seeing.

We aren't that big or impressive yet. Why make enemies we don't have too?

Hell, if we do a good enough job, if the new republic collapses for some reason the remnants might outright join us if we are actually a fair and decent new empire.
 
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Y'know, if our long-term goal is "get the galaxy ready for the Vong", then the ideal solution might be a cold war with the New Republic.
Lots of military buildup, without actually sending all the troops into the meatgrinder.
 
Realistically the issue with the NR is their aggression to us as an 'Imperial warlord faction'. While we do not claim to be the heir to the Empire in this timeline, having chosen our own path, they will have elements (lets not kid ourselves Iblis and Leia will be at the top of that) seeking to exterminate us for merely existing regardless of if we are reformed or not.


however at the same time regardless of what we do, the Vong are trying to make sure the NR is victorious and is the major power in this galaxy. Their entire plan for invasion relies upon the incompetent bureacracy of the NR, with its overtly centralised leadership for a swift and powerful victory (dive straight for the core, and essentially nuke it)

The empire could survive such a crippling defeat, but the NR with its various issues militarily would be crippled (like what happened) regardless of how many star ships they had.

They were designed/planned for a rebellious war, against an opponent fielding a conventional warfare. Just as the Empire was a reaction to the warfare of the clone wars, the rebellion/nr was a reaction to the Empire and focused on guerilla war.

To win you need a strong defensive strategy, with defence in depth, which the imperials can pull off. the NR however cannot.
 
Speaking of incompetent bureacracy, lets make sure we replace ours with G0-T0 Infrastructure Planning Droids &/or BRT Supercomputers.
 
Out of all the major factions they are the most non-evil
Morality plays less of a factor here. We're ultimately just incredibly pragmatic. Sure we want to be better than Palps but we're not similar to the NR at all. We're not stupid evil and committing atrocities for no reason, but we definitely have relatively flexible morals. The morality of other groups is only relevant as an indicator of how they're going to act and how others will react to the actions we take towards them, not how much we're going to like them in character.
If they come after us, sure smack them down, but I'm genuinely baffled by the amount of "screw them, we're gonna get them" I'm seeing.

We aren't that big or impressive yet. Why make enemies we don't have too?
The general consensus so far is leave the NR for later. Like, our entire game plan from turn 1 is "don't get into any big fights yet, stay neutral and build up". Yeah, we're talking about coming to blows with the NR but that's for later. Trying to screw them over via intrigue otoh is absolutely still on the cards.
 
(lets not kid ourselves Iblis and Leia will be at the top of that) seeking to exterminate us for merely existing regardless of if we are reformed or not.
...I don't see it.

Well okay, Garm maybe. But Leia? If we genuinely are better then Palpatine's Empire, condemning it and it's Atrocities and not opppressing those under our Rule, then I just can't see her of all People being out to exterminate us at all costs just because we exist.
 
If we are genuinely reformist (no stupid evil, no anti-alien prejudice, no evil authoritarianism, no crushing people under our treads, no blatant corruption) I think they would be overjoyed that we exist.
 
If we are genuinely reformist (no stupid evil, no anti-alien prejudice, no evil authoritarianism, no crushing people under our treads, no blatant corruption) I think they would be overjoyed that we exist.
Well, at least some of them. I will admit, there ARE probably parts of the Rebellions/NR's Leadership who will oppose us no matter what on principle.

But, especially since this is a Dice-based Quest, there is no guarantee that these Elements will ever amass the Influence necessary to push their Agenda through.
 

I think you're giving clone!Palps and the Vong both a bit too much credit.

Clone!Palpatine was obviously more than a little insane (probably from imperfections in the process for cloning Force-sensitives, combined with whatever mind-bending experience he went through as a disembodied spirit), and didn't seem to have a long-term plan beyond "Let the Galaxy burn!" And I never got the impression he thought of the Vong as a particularly serious threat. Sure, he was happy to use them as an excuse to hyper-militarize his Empire, but they never seemed to factor into his plans all that much, or he probably would have set up a network or Outer Rim listening posts and fleet anchorages expressly positioned to repel extragalactic invasion. It was well within the Empire's capabilities to do so, and it would have fit Palps' narrative of prepping for invasion quite handily. But he never did it, which leads me to believe that he never saw the Vong as anything more than a convenient excuse to claim more power.

Similarly, the Vong seem to have barely understood the galaxy they were invading, even after 50 years or so of active infiltration. The only people among them who seemed to even understand that there was a difference between the Empire and the Republic were the smarter, more experienced spies like Nom Anor, who learned this by personally interfering in the Remnant's politics in the wake of Operation Shadow Hand. Overall, their infiltration "plan" consisted pretty much entirely of "divide, distract, and incite", still with very little overall understanding of the enemy they faced.

If they had truly understood how the New Republic operated, and assuming that they needed to start on the Rim instead of simply bypassing it "above" or "below" the galactic plane, they would have done things very differently. Their best bet would have been to use every ounce of the element of surprise and their early technical advantage by striking at Dac first, then charging up the Perlemian, taking out major industrial and ship-building centers along the way like Lianna, Abhean, Roche, Lantilles, Axum, Alsakan and Coruscant. Then, with an unprepared, under-defended Coruscant conquered, they could focus on ravaging the Core and Colonies.

If the Vong's leadership had the slightest understanding of galactic civilization, sacking the Core would have absolutely been priority #1, not diddling around the Outer Rim for two years, seizing territory that looks really impressive on a map but ultimately doesn't impede the enemy all that much.
 
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Just a minor quibble, that is extremely unlikely to be true, and is not supported by the lore at all.

What the lore says is that humans are the most common single species in the Star Wars galaxy. That means they make up the largest portion of the galactic population of any species, but the galactic population includes literally millions of recognized sentient species. With that many races out there, humans could easily make up less than 0.001% of the total galactic population, and still be the most common race out there. Personally (meaning pure opinion on my part, since there's no specific figure given in the lore that I could find), I suspect the actual figure is somewhere around 5-10% (with variations possible depending on whether the least differentiated "near-human" races are counted or not) given how many of them we see running around in the movies, and the fact that they dominate the population-dense Core Worlds. Certainly very common by any measure when the sheer scale of galactic civilization is considered, but to claim them as a plain majority of the galaxy's sentients is just a bridge too far.
That is the case. Humans are the most spread out species instead galaxy because they were seeded all over the galaxy. Of those millions of species that you bring up very few had any real numbers and most only had a homework and nothing else. Humans and the Duros are the two largest percentage of all sapient life in the galaxy and that isn't even counting the near Type species they each spawned. And yes the core regions is where a lot of both of them are and those regions make up more than the rest of the galaxy regions put together.
 
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