Solarstream
It's all in the cards
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- Zombie World
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- He/Him
[X] You need some room to process all that. Take May up on her offer, go crash in the chillout room.
The Arachne System (SPIDERLIV 3)
- Thread starter open_sketch
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- Superhero
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Well, I don't know if it's mostly just me or not, but I was really kind of exhausted reading this. Result: Push some of the decision off to May!
[X] Does May need to decompress now? That was A Lot.
-[X] If not, Athena's looking forward to this next panel, so you'd kind of like to let her front for a bit anyway? Otherwise, you should double-check that she has a camera on-site before you doze off.
[X] Does May need to decompress now? That was A Lot.
-[X] If not, Athena's looking forward to this next panel, so you'd kind of like to let her front for a bit anyway? Otherwise, you should double-check that she has a camera on-site before you doze off.
- Location
- Somewhere.
[X] Does May need to decompress now? That was A Lot.
-[X] If not, Athena's looking forward to this next panel, so you'd kind of like to let her front for a bit anyway? Otherwise, you should double-check that she has a camera on-site before you doze off.
This. This is good think.
-[X] If not, Athena's looking forward to this next panel, so you'd kind of like to let her front for a bit anyway? Otherwise, you should double-check that she has a camera on-site before you doze off.
This. This is good think.
- Location
- Just passing through.
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- He/Him
[X] Does May need to decompress now? That was A Lot.
-[X] If not, Athena's looking forward to this next panel, so you'd kind of like to let her front for a bit anyway? Otherwise, you should double-check that she has a camera on-site before you doze off.
-[X] If not, Athena's looking forward to this next panel, so you'd kind of like to let her front for a bit anyway? Otherwise, you should double-check that she has a camera on-site before you doze off.
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X] Athena had a good idea. Switch so she can go to the panel and you can relax in techspace a bit.
Inkbones
No Glory Save Honor
- Location
- Where you can still smell the sky
[X] Does May need to decompress now? That was A Lot.
-[X] If not, Athena's looking forward to this next panel, so you'd kind of like to let her front for a bit anyway? Otherwise, you should double-check that she has a camera on-site before you doze off.
Yay. Loki's back. Love Loki. Liv continues to experience Emotions, but has the support network to (hopefully) deal with them healthily.
-[X] If not, Athena's looking forward to this next panel, so you'd kind of like to let her front for a bit anyway? Otherwise, you should double-check that she has a camera on-site before you doze off.
Yay. Loki's back. Love Loki. Liv continues to experience Emotions, but has the support network to (hopefully) deal with them healthily.
bobbananaville
A giant crab, atop an even gianter crab
- Location
- The Philippines
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- He/Him
-[ ] If not, Athena's looking forward to this next panel, so you'd kind of like to let her front for a bit anyway? Otherwise, you should double-check that she has a camera on-site before you doze off.
yaaay compromises are great.
Although, what happens if there isn't -aaah who am I kidding this is techno nigh-dystopia, of course there's gonna be a camera onsite.
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These are pretty much my thoughts too.
[X] Athena had a good idea. Switch so she can go to the panel and you can relax in techspace a bit.
But meh, the write-in seems okay... I mean, at least we are considering Athena, and we did kind of sneak her into the con without paying...
[X] Does May need to decompress now? That was A Lot.
-[X] If not, Athena's looking forward to this next panel, so you'd kind of like to let her front for a bit anyway? Otherwise, you should double-check that she has a camera on-site before you doze off.
- Location
- Brisbane
[X] Does May need to decompress now? That was A Lot.
-[X] If not, Athena's looking forward to this next panel, so you'd kind of like to let her front for a bit anyway? Otherwise, you should double-check that she has a camera on-site before you doze off.
-[X] If not, Athena's looking forward to this next panel, so you'd kind of like to let her front for a bit anyway? Otherwise, you should double-check that she has a camera on-site before you doze off.
I don't love that write-in, pawning off a decision to someone is giving them some emotional labor. May is clearly uncomfortable with athena fronting rn, but she's too nice to say as much.
Could we hang out in May's telephone with her in the chill room while Athena hogs the body for her thing?
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
[X] You need some room to process all that. Take May up on her offer, go crash in the chillout room.
Look, there's situations where you have to value the needs of your alt or your friends over your girlfriend, which you can't always prioritise...but we are 1) explicitly on a date style thing with May and 2) putting her through a lot
There's going to be more cons for Athena to go to later. There's not going to be another 'May is still coming to terms with you being a superhero and being super overwhelmed' later. May is showing herself to still be coming to terms with all this stuff, asking her to go watch the panel with this new person she just met piloting her gf's body is not going to make things easier for her.
Look, there's situations where you have to value the needs of your alt or your friends over your girlfriend, which you can't always prioritise...but we are 1) explicitly on a date style thing with May and 2) putting her through a lot
There's going to be more cons for Athena to go to later. There's not going to be another 'May is still coming to terms with you being a superhero and being super overwhelmed' later. May is showing herself to still be coming to terms with all this stuff, asking her to go watch the panel with this new person she just met piloting her gf's body is not going to make things easier for her.
bobbananaville
A giant crab, atop an even gianter crab
- Location
- The Philippines
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] You need some room to process all that. Take May up on her offer, go crash in the chillout room.
I have been convinced.
Changing vote.
I have been convinced.
Changing vote.
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- Mid-Atlantic
Ditto.
[X] You need some room to process all that. Take May up on her offer, go crash in the chillout room.
[X] You need some room to process all that. Take May up on her offer, go crash in the chillout room.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
I wrote it because it's probably not a hard question for May - "am I still up for this next panel, or do I want to go crash" - and thus shoves off that part of the processing load on to someone who can handle it easily. Conveniently, it's the sort of question that gets easier to answer the more overwhelmed she is!
The responses I'm imagining are A), May reinvigorates and can handle the next negotiation fine, or B), she's going to need some room to process that, so we'll send Athena off and watch the recording later.
Pawning decisions off can be asking them for emotional labor, but it can also just be being considerate. I think this is the latter.
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- She/Her
This is an anime convention. You can absolutely find some Kamina glasses
I think the fact that "crazy is ableist" is a well-done, subtle sign of language drift, and a small worldbuilding details that I enjoy greatly. In the same way "idiot" and "moron" were once genuine classifications of intelligence that changing times and overuse degraded into schoolyard insults, and between when I started kindergarden and graduated high school "mentally retarded" became an insult and was replaced with "intellectually disabled". It's a piece of language-building that doesn't feel like making up new words or slang, yet also feels like a realistic window on a point 10 or 15 years in the future.
Okay, now back to decision-making:
This is an important point. As much as Athena and Liv are a system, Liv is also in a sense Athena's parent, and one important thing for children (especially those who have previously had wants or needs ignored), is to have caregivers acknowledge both their needs and their wants, and encourage them to ask for the things they desire. Frankly, I think that while this may not be great for May and Liv's relationship, it's a very important milestone for Athena, and Liv needs to make sure she's giving Athena due attention.
Excellent idea!
[X] Athena had a good idea. Switch so she can go to the panel and you can relax in techspace a bit.
[X] If there is time before the panel, talk to May and Athena about fronting ettiquite and try help May process her discomfort.
[X] Does May need to decompress now? That was A Lot.
-[X] If so, then offer to hang out with May by phone in the chill room (well, in her phone, but that sounds weird)
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- Mid-Atlantic
That's fair, and it's certainly a plausible piece of linguistic drift.
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- Someone else's head
"Crazy is ableist" is increasingly the common sense viewpoint in some of the circles we interact with, but very much not in others. Seeing it here was really nice. That was a good interaction.
Zarohk convinced me. I don't like the parent and child analogy when that's really not the nature of their relationship, and certainly wouldn't want my host applying that to me, but it remains the case that it's Athena's life too, and she wants to do this, and part of having a relationship with a member of a system is accommodating this sort of thing at times. I don't think it's what's best for Liv and May's relationship right now, and is a lot to get used to all at once, but they aren't the only consideration and I think they can deal with it. And the compromise with May and Liv hanging out simultaneously is an interesting one that might help.
[X] Athena had a good idea. Switch so she can go to the panel and you can relax in techspace a bit.
[X] If there is time before the panel, talk to May and Athena about fronting ettiquite and try help May process her discomfort.
[X] Does May need to decompress now? That was A Lot.
-[X] If so, then offer to hang out with May by phone in the chill room (well, in her phone, but that sounds weird)
Zarohk convinced me. I don't like the parent and child analogy when that's really not the nature of their relationship, and certainly wouldn't want my host applying that to me, but it remains the case that it's Athena's life too, and she wants to do this, and part of having a relationship with a member of a system is accommodating this sort of thing at times. I don't think it's what's best for Liv and May's relationship right now, and is a lot to get used to all at once, but they aren't the only consideration and I think they can deal with it. And the compromise with May and Liv hanging out simultaneously is an interesting one that might help.
[X] Athena had a good idea. Switch so she can go to the panel and you can relax in techspace a bit.
[X] If there is time before the panel, talk to May and Athena about fronting ettiquite and try help May process her discomfort.
[X] Does May need to decompress now? That was A Lot.
-[X] If so, then offer to hang out with May by phone in the chill room (well, in her phone, but that sounds weird)
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- Mid-Atlantic
I am genuinely interested in finding a compact and useful way to replace the verb phrase "to go crazy" with something else. Something that is not pejorative to people whose brains don't work according to standard code, but that is nonetheless equivalent to "to undergo experiences that cause severe mental health problems and impair happiness, functionality, or both."
Do you know of any viable suggestions?
Athena's origins, and the relationship they put her in with regards to Liv, are likely unprecedented even among plural systems.
They're a bit like parent-child dynamics- they kind of have to be- because Liv made Athena in a very literal sense, as an act of intent, even if she didn't intend things to play out exactly as they did. Liv is in a real and undoubted sense morally responsible for Liv's welfare, as Athena is still fairly dependent on Liv for the physical wherewithal of existence.
They're a bit like multiple selves occupying the same computational (hardware/wetware) substrates, for obvious reasons- but also a bit not like that, in ways.
They're a bit like a lot of things.
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Which means it's probably appropriate to draw lessons from a lot of different places, including plural systems as we know them outside science fiction, but also including other things that really shouldn't be compared to said systems.
