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That Time I Became A Dictator Of A Small Asian Communist Nation

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marsolino said:
I liked the beginning of this quest. It took a humorous path but was still centered on being the 'dictator of a small nation of Asia'. I feel like the last few chapters destroyed that feeling and made the quest about being a bottom to his wife and being swamped with children, with future historians (internet people lol) saying he was 'infamously weak of constitution'. Where's all the fear and terror and respect accorded to the dictator? If all people see him like this, the fact he's still in power is just to continue the quest and loses my suspension of disbelief
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marsolino said:
I liked the beginning of this quest. It took a humorous path but was still centered on being the 'dictator of a small nation of Asia'. I feel like the last few chapters destroyed that feeling and made the quest about being a bottom to his wife and being swamped with children, with future historians (internet people lol) saying he was 'infamously weak of constitution'. Where's all the fear and terror and respect accorded to the dictator? If all people see him like this, the fact he's still in power is just to continue the quest and loses my suspension of disbelief
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Well, the reason you saw him the last few updates that way is because you saw not the Great Leader of Guangchou that made America bend the knee, like the people do right now.

Nor the Great Leader that held his cool and said to (one of) the mightiest superpower(s) on earth: "We're dancin', and we're dancin' to my tune." With said superpower following suit like the military did.

Or the Great Leader that grabbed a utter disaster by the spine and crushed it into a diamond of opportunity by forcing America to fund his nations ascent to greatness as the politicians do now.

What you saw in the Iwo Jima Crisis was Wei Jungmin, an idealist and trusting man that was forced to navigate a crisis that brought earth to the closest point of nuclear annihilation since the Cuban Missile Crisis before he even turned into the later half of his twenties. You saw a man that had to, vividly and directly, contend with the fact that, if he, at any point, fucked up, the possible death of humanity under nuclear mushrooms would be his fault.

And if you think the Guangchou people don't fear/love* Jungmin in that future-looks-back because people make fun of him on the other side of the globe, across ideology, and beyond his grasp of retaliation, then you didn't understand that people are doing that shit right now to Kim in NK and Poo in China.
 
No one person is all highlight reel or all lowest moments. Seeing both actually makes him seem more real, not less.

Is Wei the guy who turned a situation that could have been a world war 3 disaster into making a superpower fund his country's rise to greatness? Yes. Is he also the guy who was physically ill right before that? Also yes.

Is Wei the guy who stood up and made the world listen to his (our) story? Yes. Is he a slightly different person behind closed doors? Who isn't?
 
HeroCooky said:
What you saw in the Iwo Jima Crisis was Wei Jungmin, an idealist and trusting man that was forced to navigate a crisis that brought earth to the closest point of nuclear annihilation since the Cuban Missile Crisis before he even turned into the later half of his twenties. You saw a man that had to, vividly and directly, contend with the fact that, if he, at any point, fucked up, the possible death of humanity under nuclear mushrooms would be his fault.

And if you think the Guangchou people don't fear/love* Jungmin in that future-looks-back because people make fun of him on the other side of the globe, across ideology, and beyond his grasp of retaliation, then you didn't understand that people are doing that shit right now to Kim in NK and Poo in China.
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Plus, highlighting the 'weak constitution', probably helps distract from the shrewd dealings and how close things were to nuclear annihilation, with only him taking charge to help navigate back to safety, and profiting from said incident of course!:D
 
marsolino said:
Where's all the fear and terror and respect accorded to the dictator? If all people see him like this, the fact he's still in power is just to continue the quest and loses my suspension of disbelief
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Listen, when your wife can literally snap you in half, you can say something,

Also, he literally outplayed multiple international superpowers and survived an act of god trying to kill him. Put Some Respect On His Name. Don't get the Memes and Jokes confused for what's actually happening.
 
InquisitionAI said:
Listen, when your wife can literally snap you in half, you can say something,

Also, he literally outplayed multiple international superpowers and survived an act of god trying to kill him. Put Some Respect On His Name. Don't get the Memes and Jokes confused for what's actually happening.
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Yep. Any dictator that stares down the US over the threat of Nuclear Anialation doesn't really have to worry about the whole "Strongman Appearance" that much. We've already proven ourselves to be strong where it actually matters, so why waste effort putting on a needless show.

It's kind of like how Cuba and Iran don't really engage in that much saber-rattling compared to say North Korea or Russia. They don't need to do so, since their continued existence flies against the wishes of a global superpower.
 
Oracle of Space said:
Yep. Any dictator that stares down the US over the threat of Nuclear Anialation doesn't really have to worry about the whole "Strongman Appearance" that much. We've already proven ourselves to be strong where it actually matters, so why waste effort putting on a needless show.

It's kind of like how Cuba and Iran don't really engage in that much saber-rattling compared to say North Korea or Russia. They don't need to do so, since their continued existence flies against the wishes of a global superpower.
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What was that Tywin Lannister quote? "Any man who must say 'I am the King' is not a King?"

Yes, we wear catgirl maid costumes. Yes, we get topped by our wife. And when we were facing nuclear fire, with our protector imploding behind us and the closest thing we had to an ally completely unaware, we stared down the Arsenal of the West, NATO's nuclear power, the mother-fucking United States of America, and they blinked.
 
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7th Hex said:
What was that Tywin Lannister quote? "Any man who must 'I am the King' is not a King?"
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Quoted for fucking truth.

abominable said:
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Somebody contact the Minister of Propaganda! WE HAVE AN IMAGE TO FIX!
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Honestly, I Like the image of a slightly horny god of tits and wine dictator of catgirls/boys and subs.

IMO, what we're seeing is.... Take the scene where he takes a tiger tail, miniskirt etc etc. Just from the line itself, without context, how do you know it's not his wife that's wearing that?

Anyone looking in, see's the dictator, that picked out a trained military officer, decreed it to be so. And had her drop everything for her to be his bride and to secure his bloodline. And you just know there's rumours about him partaking in famous courtesan orgies, regardless of how true it may or may not be.

His image, is what he says it is. If he wants to project the image of someone benevolently offering the USA a way out of a disaster, and quite literally fucking them over to grab as much cash as possible, can totally do that.

Alternately. He's the diabolocial schemer who held the world hostage and blackmailed the USA into accepting his demands.

Meanwhile to his people. he's bringing electricity, modern conveniences, food security, jobs, comfort, modern conveniences. And if he wants to maintain a "jokey persona." for internal consumption as A Beloved Leader, a man of the people, benevolent family man, and loving husband. He can go ahead and do that.

Ultimately he has power and wealth, (wealth normally translates to power but let's not go there.) And fundamentally. He's using power to do two things, one, to benefit his people, do good things and fulfill his responsibilites as a leader. And two, he's having fun with it. And what he does in his private life is up to him and his wife.

And Guangshou being Guangshou, even if it were to be leaked that he and his wife get frisky in the bedroom and experiment. I really doubt that would undermine his image in the same way other more 'macho' world leaders would worry about.
 
BoSPaladin said:
Quoted for fucking truth.



Honestly, I Like the image of a slightly horny god of tits and wine dictator of catgirls/boys and subs.

IMO, what we're seeing is.... Take the scene where he takes a tiger tail, miniskirt etc etc. Just from the line itself, without context, how do you know it's not his wife that's wearing that?

Anyone looking in, see's the dictator, that picked out a trained military officer, decreed it to be so. And had her drop everything for her to be his bride and to secure his bloodline. And you just know there's rumours about him partaking in famous courtesan orgies, regardless of how true it may or may not be.

His image, is what he says it is. If he wants to project the image of someone benevolently offering the USA a way out of a disaster, and quite literally fucking them over to grab as much cash as possible, can totally do that.

Alternately. He's the diabolocial schemer who held the world hostage and blackmailed the USA into accepting his demands.

Meanwhile to his people. he's bringing electricity, modern conveniences, food security, jobs, comfort, modern conveniences. And if he wants to maintain a "jokey persona." for internal consumption as A Beloved Leader, a man of the people, benevolent family man, and loving husband. He can go ahead and do that.

Ultimately he has power and wealth, (wealth normally translates to power but let's not go there.) And fundamentally. He's using power to do two things, one, to benefit his people, do good things and fulfill his responsibilites as a leader. And two, he's having fun with it. And what he does in his private life is up to him and his wife.

And Guangshou being Guangshou, even if it were to be leaked that he and his wife get frisky in the bedroom and experiment. I really doubt that would undermine his image in the same way other more 'macho' world leaders would worry about.
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When your CIA 'ally' delivers some 'critical compromat':
 
I mean, I think we have a good basis for his dictatorial manner based on his reaction to the last crisis... you know, when the steel factory blew up, he immediately demanded answers and then got ... all of them. All the answers... all the justice.

like, you can go back to that chapter to more accurately get his dictatorial style.

but also, I just plain don't want to read about his dominance over his subjects. I don't really need to see him being the dictator without any opposition. Like, perhaps the most we could get away with is enormous instability at home (like Mars bleeds red quest) to show the work he needs to put in to establish his legitimacy as a leader, but he hasn't necessarily done anything to inspire such resistance. That feels like a very unearned challenge, and while it could work, it would be out of nowhere.

Also, I quoted Mars bleeds red because that quest is an excellent example of the very different tone you get for leaders that are constantly having challenges to their legitimacy. Where we barely know the leader's personal life, and its all about the next crisis he has to handle and oh god this country is flying apart! It does its job well, but we are going to have a very different quest if we follow something like that. (Mars Bleed Reds is a good quest, to be clear. Its just not what I want from Guangchou)

Ultimately, the quest has taken on a more lighthearted tone because of the contributions of the questers, and I thinks its carved out a nice niche as something far less serious. I think it was originally meant as something more serious, but then we got gundam and catgirls and I honestly take the more relaxed atmosphere of this quest as a good thing. I think HeroCooky has responded to feedback fairly well, and I am happy with what we have gotten. The tone is nice. the events and crisis are fun, even when we must respond to them seriously.

And yeah, all of this doylist reasoning can be taken on top of the watsonian rasons that other people have given about how bedroom antics really don't impact his political legitimacy. (And yes, I am also implicitly against making the personal relationship all about showing his manhood through dominance for public/political reasons. I understand that that is not explicitly what is being asked for, but ultimately that would be the direction we would be heading down towards, when we start considering these actions for these reasons, and I think we should be mindful of that) His private relationship, especially in quest with a light tone like this, can afford to have zany romantic hijinks, and we don't need to make it into an event with political repercussions.

Guangchou can be a sexual utopia, with all sorts of relationships that individuals partake in gladly. Or it can be a place where we put the priority on the political repercussions... and that will taint the utopia we have established. I think HeroCooky made the right choice in what was important for this quest, and while I will admit it might not be the most realistic thing.... we voted for a nation with more open attitudes about gender and sexuality and I think that should trump the concerns about realistic responses to his relationship, especially when those concerns have already been debunked by many for watsonian reasons as well.

edit: sorry for the word vomit. The TL: DR is I like my light hearted sexually liberated communist utopia, and I think political concerns about the the 'realistic' response our dear leader's relationship cut into that fantasy
 
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abominable said:
I guess it shouldn't really come as a surprise to the world what with our degenerate citizens holding hands publicly all the time.

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Whoa whoa whoa!

Man, we were just talking about about men being pegged by their amazonian wives, not that extreme shit. Like dude, no one here is getting into the really extremist/perverted stuff like that. That's, like, only a few individuals in our nation. The idea that all our citizens are handholding is pure propaganda. I'm not sure why your mind jumped straight into the deepest gutter like that, but maybe don't next time.

:V:V:V:V:V:V

OK, is it just me, or can anyone imagine the Taiwanese and american news actually complaining about the sailors coming home and holding hands. like completely overreacting to shit like that.
 
So I was thinking about the mecha earlier and why they bothered me, and I realized why that was the case: it was earned far too easily.

I mean, our character just sorta found some Nazi mechas in a basement and from then on proceeded to have them reversed engineered. Given that most Nazi "super weapons" in real life were monstrously expensive and in most cases horribly impractical, I think at best we should have found one prototype that was really kinda shit in terms of design or find the blueprints of an unbuilt prototype (which would have been impractical if built), then we'd work about making our own mecha that can actually work.

Plus it is kinda weird that they would be found here on some island off the Asian coast and not in Europe. I mean, I get that the Japanese were allies to the Nazis but why would they send their mecha to the Pacific theater where they weren't actively fighting?
 
TheLordofAwesome said:
So I was thinking about the mecha earlier and why they bothered me, and I realized why that was the case: it was earned far too easily.

I mean, our character just sorta found some Nazi mechas in a basement and from then on proceeded to have them reversed engineered. Given that most Nazi "super weapons" in real life were monstrously expensive and in most cases horribly impractical, I think at best we should have found one prototype that was really kinda shit in terms of design or find the blueprints of an unbuilt prototype (which would have been impractical if built), then we'd work about making our own mecha that can actually work.

Plus it is kinda weird that they would be found here on some island off the Asian coast and not in Europe. I mean, I get that the Japanese were allies to the Nazis but why would they send their mecha to the Pacific theater where they weren't actively fighting?
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Well, the appearance of the Laufpanzer on Guangchou are implied within the story, because your father (Wei Cai) tried to act against the Nazi-Regime, but failed and got captured... and then released? Before showing up on the island he had been exiled from with a large amount of guns and equipment. There are some other hints, but that is the gist of the connection to Nazi-Germany.

As for the Laufpanzer themselves, it was noted, in-universe, that the scientists that made them spent another 20+ years working on them after Nazi-Germany got conquered... and failed to make them good. All prototypes you discovered were bondoogles in one way or another. You needed to put through several actions over years to have the capacity to make Iron Tigers, with your first native model being decidedly... meh. The IT you made is only as good as the IT-Tech derived modules you attach, with it being noted (repeatedly and severly) within the thread that the real boon is the IT-Tech you can use for other things.

And also, all IT you have are prototypes, or near-production models. You still have to order them produced (which will trigger a vote on how to incorporate them into your army) in any quantity.
 
So basically in this world the laws of physics makes Nazi super weapons feasible with a few more decades of study and developement?

Sound good.
 
One thing I'd like to do is save the weight of the gyro by moving the engine into an articulated 'thorax' - that both lowers the COG, creates a tail like structure to help balance, and creates more room for better articulation/a cockpit in the torso.
 
Anon500 said:
Whoa whoa whoa!

Man, we were just talking about about men being pegged by their amazonian wives, not that extreme shit. Like dude, no one here is getting into the really extremist/perverted stuff like that. That's, like, only a few individuals in our nation. The idea that all our citizens are handholding is pure propaganda. I'm not sure why your mind jumped straight into the deepest gutter like that, but maybe don't next time.

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OK, is it just me, or can anyone imagine the Taiwanese and american news actually complaining about the sailors coming home and holding hands. like completely overreacting to shit like that.
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I'm saying we're already doing extreme shit on the streets. Pegging? That's basically appetizers in comparison!

:V:V:V



Btw @HeroCooky Jing Mai is giving MC arm pillows, and not the other way around yes? 🤔
 
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HeroCooky said:
First off, you're walking a thin line there, buddy. Be glad this absolute degeneracy is pixeled, or I'd report you to the anti-handholding police.

Second: ...wat? Who is Jingmai? TF is an arm pillow?
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Ah, meant to type Jing Mai. Also, arm pillow. Never heard of arm pillows? Basically you lend someone your arm as a pillow to rest their head on. If you're too squishy, you're likely to lose circulation a bit. 🤔

Here is a gorilla lending its arm as a pillow. 👀


 
abominable said:
Ah, meant to type Jing Mai. Also, arm pillow. Never heard of arm pillows? Basically you lend someone your arm as a pillow to rest their head on. If you're too squishy, you're likely to lose circulation a bit. 🤔

Here is a gorilla lending its arm as a pillow. 👀


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*facepalm* That makes way too much sense over what I was thinking. Also, Jungmins' family name is Wei, not Jing. Mai would be called Wei Mai, not Jing Mai.

And honestly? They arm pillow however they fancy it at the moment. Sometimes you want to be embraced, sometimes you are the gorilla, you feel?
 
HeroCooky said:
*facepalm* That makes way too much sense over what I was thinking. Also, Jungmins' family name is Wei, not Jing. Mai would be called Wei Mai, not Jing Mai.

And honestly? They arm pillow however they fancy it at the moment. Sometimes you want to be embraced, sometimes you are the gorilla, you feel?
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Calling the Great Leader's wife a gorilla!? :o:o:o

YES, OFFICER. THIS AUTHOR OVER HERE.

 
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