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TehChron said:
Anyway, Project Orion was always an intermediary step into less disposable propulsion methods. Why not take a look on our part and see about replacing the core ideas behind them and adapt them with something more exotic and less likely to incense political sensitivities?

Theyd make for a pretty great upgrade for our dropships for example
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I mean, we should actually already have something like that from the Carrier we gave the Space Battleship Yamato treatment.

I don't actually remember what knid of propulsion it's using though.

Sir Plusse said:
...Kinda sounds like you're arguing with a fearmonger to me. Anyway, gimme a bit to look into our options so I can figure out what I want right now.
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It's hardly fear mongering when we literally just had an interlude about just how ludicrous the Westphalians infiltration game is. Configuration is the big Tech we can give out at the moment, and I could see the Anti-Grav formula being offered to the Mercury Team now that Ground Pound has it. MMI is actually of debatable use. It requires a fairly massive change to how the pilot controls the machine, mental strain, additional training, and then there's the whole, will the other Pilots even be compatible with it.
 
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Crazyone47 said:
That is why I want to try it.

Say if we give out anti gravity tech then how long till Westphalian get that?
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The Anti-Grav formula is actually, ironically one of the safer ones. Since "All" it allows for is strapping more stuff onto the frame. Some kind of interaction with the unknown Westphalian Chemicals.

In many ways the Anti-Grav formula is our test, this is the, how long until we start seeing it on Westie Mechs.
 
FallenTemplar86 said:
It's hardly fear mongering when we literally just had an interlude about just how ludicrous the Westphalians infiltration game is.
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It becomes fear mongering when it's specifically mentioned in reference to Yukimura and Mander, aka a semi-insular community and the Westphalians' primary opposition, respectively.

Those two, we can reasonably assume to be safe from infiltration, Yukimura because he's apparently been working with the same team for years and Mander because he's the one who's most likely to know how to screen for Westphalian sleeper agents. Really, if either of those two teams were infiltrated at all, you'd think Westphalia would be stealing their tech, but we have yet to see any Valiant ripoffs or Aeon-powered Beasts.

That said, I can understand and agree with the bit about the MMI being likely to get in their pilots' way more than help them, at least in the near future.
 
Hmmm.... Say think we could trade antigrav for the eye beam technology from Yukimira and the equipment slotting tech from Mander?

Think beams and long-range fire support might be a possible option for building our configuring assault helicopter super robot.

That plus the easy slotting interchangeability would combined with deployment from a Dropships make for a variable support for the robot.

Say what does the pegasus dropships look like?
 
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Okay, got something tentative mostly written up, but, as always, having issues coming up with enough science projects for everyone.

So, anyone got suggestions for Xenotechnology or Faedium?
 
Sir Plusse said:
It becomes fear mongering when it's specifically mentioned in reference to Yukimura and Mander, aka a semi-insular community and the Westphalians' primary opposition, respectively.

Those two, we can reasonably assume to be safe from infiltration, Yukimura because he's apparently been working with the same team for years and Mander because he's the one who's most likely to know how to screen for Westphalian sleeper agents. Really, if either of those two teams were infiltrated at all, you'd think Westphalia would be stealing their tech, but we have yet to see any Valiant ripoffs or Aeon-powered Beasts.

That said, I can understand and agree with the bit about the MMI being likely to get in their pilots' way more than help them, at least in the near future.
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I'm not so sure.

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It's not going to end either." As the agent's eyes narrowed slightly, George's hand was already spreading out the Valiant and Mercury's photos onto the desk. "They'd already gotten started years ago - the DFRI is just validation to them now."
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The clear implication of these photos are that they aren't the standard battle/publicity photos that are normally seen. While it's not outright stated that these are hanger photos or similar there's again a clear implication.

They're insular yes, but not unbreachable. Corruption, hacking, mundane espionage, extortion, bribing. Westphalians have it all.

It's one of the reasons I'm willing to hang on and see what happens with the Anti-Grav that's already out and about.

Westphalian are the Super Robot Villain Faction with spies everywhere trope from how it seems.

Edit: I'm reluctant to give Ground Pound new Tech so soon, they need to fully adapt the Anti-Grav into their setup, they have requested Configuration and that does seem to be something that should be made stupidity easy with Nanotech though.
 
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FallenTemplar86 said:
The clear implication of these photos are that they aren't the standard battle/publicity photos that are normally seen. While it's not outright stated that these are hanger photos or similar there's again a clear implication.

Edit: I'm reluctant to give Ground Pound new Tech so soon, they need to fully adapt the Anti-Grav into their setup, they have requested Configuration and that does seem to be something that should be made stupidity easy with Nanotech though.
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I see no implication of context in the photos' description at all. It could be anything from the standard public pictures to black-box recordings, for all we know; the only thing confirmed is that they are pictures of Valiant and Mercury.

And again, I have significant evidence against those two being infiltrated, in the form of Westphalia not stealing their tech yet. Can you really see Westphalia not stealing technology if they've actually infiltrated the two highest-tech entities (I hesitate to call them "factions" but the difference may be extreme enough to justify it) that originated on Earth? Especially if one of those factions is their primary enemy?

And yeah, Ground Pound seems... swamped right now.
 
Sir Plusse said:
I see no implication of context in the photos' description at all. It could be anything from the standard public pictures to black-box recordings, for all we know; the only thing confirmed is that they are pictures of Valiant and Mercury.

And again, I have significant evidence against those two being infiltrated, in the form of Westphalia not stealing their tech yet. Can you really see Westphalia not stealing technology if they've actually infiltrated the two highest-tech entities (I hesitate to call them "factions" but the difference may be extreme enough to justify it) that originated on Earth? Especially if one of those factions is their primary enemy?

And yeah, Ground Pound seems... swamped right now.
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Honestly? Yes, Super Robot Tech is expensive, experimental, temperamental, and prone to needing oversight. So I can see them entirely overlooking Mercury because they can build 100+ gun platforms instead of a Gen 1 Mercury. The Valiant is admittedly a bit of an odd duck, but I get the feeling getting the magnetism to work has been much like Space Pirates trying to get Samus's Morph Ball Tech to work.

Absence of Evidence does not equal Evidence of Absence.

Westphalia prefers cheap and mass producible, which has actually been our purview, and thus tech that is actually something they want.
 
FallenTemplar86 said:
The Valiant is admittedly a bit of an odd duck, but I get the feeling getting the magnetism to work has been much like Space Pirates trying to get Samus's Morph Ball Tech to work.
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Pirates: Right...it works, but, uh, how does he change back?
- Words concerning the fate of a Morph Ball Katamari - conclusion pending

@TehChron The idea behind the homage to Project Orion is possible - if you want to try it (say under experimenting with Space Flight) try adapting other elements of super Science to achieve a similar effect.

SCIENCE.

Also, as a heads up, I'll be leaving the vote running till about the weekend.
 
Guys you missed an important detail in the update. The Free brother's don't know that Galbinus and the Legion are working with the humans. We might be able to land a true ambush on the and take some of them out even though the Legion's plan is to let them get away with it.
 
FallenTemplar86 said:
Westphalia prefers cheap and mass producible, which has actually been our purview, and thus tech that is actually something they want.
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For their mooks, yes. Their aces, on the other hand, get significantly better stuff, and yet do not have Aeon Particles or Valiant's shenanigans. Again I cite the lack of the Bruces (the pilots of the evil Boss Borot) getting any Valiant or Mercury tech despite having untested xenotech installed in their latest robot, and Warlord (a highly influential lieutenant who would logically warrant a lot of investment to keep around) didn't have them either.

Absence of Evidence may not equal Evidence of Absence, but how does "the Westphalian aces don't have it when they explicitly believe in better stuff for the elites" not at least approach Evidence of Absence enough to be cause for optimism?

Further evidence that Westphalia has not infiltrated Mander, in particular: To the best of my knowledge, they haven't sabotaged Valiant or its support vehicle- another staple of spies infiltrating their enemy faction. Can you see them sparing any efforts to disable their primary enemy?
 
We actually have very little info on their encounters with the Valiant, given Basarin's tendency to have things run on SR Tropes, I am entirely willing to say that they infact have tried sabotaging the Valiant and the support vehicle. We simply haven't heard about it due to them not being the actual focus.

The Bruce had Xenotech because they literally bought said guns and strapped it in. The cost wasn't even that terrible for them given what they bartered with. Which actually fits with the Mass Production and Cheap angle. They had a supplier at reasonable cost, add it in.

Also you... may want to reread the Pak/Warlord interactions. Pak himself was definitely not sending him the best.
 
It may just be that Westphalians have not infiltrated to the point that they can access tech.

In which case priorities should be development of further Super Robots and their Capabilities as well as internal security..... and Recruitment.
 
FallenTemplar86 said:
The Bruce had Xenotech because they literally bought said guns and strapped it in. The cost wasn't even that terrible for them given what they bartered with. Which actually fits with the Mass Production and Cheap angle. They had a supplier at reasonable cost, add it in.

Also you... may want to reread the Pak/Warlord interactions. Pak himself was definitely not sending him the best.
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The Bruces had the first Westphalian weapon equipped with Xenotech. That alone proves that Westphalia is willing to splurge on them. By your own logic, Westphalia should only use mass-produced designs, right? Yet they were willing to use Xenotech instead of reverse-engineering it.

And while Warlord didn't have the best for his troops, his own vehicle was undeniably a cut above the rest, as proven by the fact that he was a boss fight (and the first time we came across that Westphalian chemical, apparently back before they figured out how to mass-produce it). Plus, again, he was important, which means Westphalia should've been willing to splurge, and the fact that Pak short-changed him pissed the Red King off.

And we have had people speculating that Pak is the distributor for a mad scientist specializing in derivative designs... who has been complaining about lack of inspiration lately. If such a mad scientist had access to Valiant or Mercury's tech, his designs would resemble them more, wouldn't they? And he wouldn't have issues with designer's block, right?

tldr: Your core argument is "Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence." Unfortunately, the sheer amount of evidence that's absent is approaching the level that it becomes evidence of absence.

Plus, y'know, at this point you're using absence of evidence as evidence of presence, which is just absurd (and textbook fearmongering). Until and unless Westphalia starts using their tech, it will be impossible to convince me that they've infiltrated the Mercury or Valiant projects. And if they haven't now, it seems likely they never will, because neither of them seems to be recruiting right now.
 
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Okay, apologies for the argument I've gotten into (yet again); to change the subject, I managed to finish the plan I was working on.

[X] "What Does This Button Do?"
-[X] Deployment
--[X] Legio-Galbinus Enclave
---[X] Beowulf + 3rd Recon
-[X] Sasaki
--[X] Liaison: Colonel Bernard/MEF
---[X] Inquire about discontent aeronautics or naval engineers with Ideas that you could interview for potential transfer to the DFRI.
--[X] Reaction Force Monitoring: Additional Threats
-[X] Diana
--[X] Reaction Force Monitoring: Kaiju
--[X] Reaction Force Monitoring: Westphalians
-[X] Adrianna
--[X] Reaction Force Monitoring: Free Brothers Kausen
--[X] Liaison: Mander/MSS
---[X] He's reached out on his own; hear him out.
-[X] The Duo
--[X] Saddle
---[X] Specifically, make it a combine unit for Ichiro.
--[X] Project Funnel
---[X] Try introducing Faedium batteries for the power supply.
-[X] Build Team
--[X] Steed squad
---[X] Yukimura's team have expressed interest in these. We should hook them up so disasters like the raid Perseus held off are easier to manage.
-[X] Jiro
--[X] Westphalian chemical: Do we have any use for this?
--[X] Experimentation - Practical Applications
---[X] Charged Cannon
----[X] Since this has fallen to the wayside in favor of flashier, more potent weapons, might as well repurpose it as a mass-production weapon for usage by our lesser machines.
-[X] Lana
--[X] Experimentation - Practical Applications
---[X] Variable Configuration + K-Class + Charged Cannon
----[X] "Lungfish" Submersible Aircraft
-----[X] Submarine/bomber jet/mecha triple changer.
-----[X] Drill on the nose for ramming; drill becomes an arm in mecha mode. If too awkward, two thinner drills on the nose that each become an arm.
-----[X] Charged Cannon is an acceptable amphibious weapon, since sonic warfare is currently not in our toolkit.
-----[X] Depth charges (assumed to be generally available) for the bomber mode.
-----[X] DFRI version incorporates K-Class as appropriate- K-Wing as wings/hydrofoils, K-Fang for the drill(s), etc.
-----[X] Combination potential: Ideal as an arm, less so as a leg; unknown potential as a core unit.
-[X] Ignatov
--[X] Voluntary Combination - The Argonauts
-[X] Sam
--[X] ESP Theory
---[X] Try to develop a variant of the MMI that records an individual's memories as images or video. (Note to all concerned: This does not leave the DFRI under any circumstances!)
--[X] Experimentation - K-Fang
---[X] K-Fang seems to like being sharp objects. How does it take to bludgeons, like hammers?
-[X] Max
--[X] Xeno Technology
---[X] Follow-up on that anti-gravity projector byproduct from way back when. You still have your notes on that, right?
--[X] Xeno Technology
---[X] Did the Regency's space flight package include one-man craft? If so, see how much you can simplify the life support system without invalidating it; if not, miniaturize.
-[X] Ivana
--[X] Experimentation - K-Lung
---[X] Can it make a reusable substitute for chemical propellants?
--[X] Experimentation - Olympic-class Leg Sample
---[X] Try to figure out the whole "square-cube violation" thing, and if it's possible to replicate without K-Class so we don't need to build our own kaiju.
-[X] Zulu
--[X] Dispersion 'Zone'
-[X] Mary
--[X] Faedium Crystalline Structures
---[X] Can it store psionic energy?
-[X] Katarina
--[X] Experimentation - Practical Applications
--[X] Arc Weaponry + K-Class
---[X] Old Arc weapons were designed before we had K-Fang. The addition of a form of K-Class specialized in offense warrants a full redesign of this technology.
--[X] Delivery Module Rockets
-[X] Melinda
--[X] Aftermarket Special
---[X] We need something for marine warfare.
--[X] K-Scale infused shields
 
[X] Plan GO! FIN FUNNELS!
- [X] Legio-Galbinus Enclave
-- [X] SCR-01 Beowulf, Argonauts
-- The seismic activity is reaching a fever pitch now on its approach to the Enclave. And by extension, not too far from your headquarters. Which is too close for comfort - you won't even need a dropship to get here. The mission will happen this turn with or without your intervention.
- [X] 'Abandoned' Oil Platform
-- [X] SCR-03E Thunderbolt, SAI-01 Ichiro Banner, 3rd Reconnaissance - Jackals, 1st Experimental Support Wing - V-33s
-- You know what they say about those who make assumptions - but quite possibly, you can assume that for the very first time, you have the drop on a Westphalian platform. Ocular is still dutifully broadcasting his location - time to retrieve him. There is no indication that they know you know, but the longer you wait, that's more time for them to realize that you know that they know that you know - as you all well know.
- [X] Rapid Response - Free Brothers
-- [X] SCR-02 Perseus, 9th Armored Reconnaissance - Phalanxes, 25th Marine Air Wing - Seekers
-- Galbinus is doing his best with the mechs he has at his disposal, but some Free Brothers efforts are going to slip through the cracks inevitably. Configuration models are closing the gap, but it's nowhere close enough - one of your Super Robots or Support Teams could help close the gap.
-[X]Captain Haruko Sasaki - 0/2 Projects Assigned
- [X] Liaison: Colonel Kim/FRC
--[X] Needs that need fulfilling, requests to look into. Horse trading.
- [X] Liaison: Galbinus-R/Legio Galbinus
-- [X] Coordinating the Breakout Fakeout
-[X]DFAI-01 'Diana' - 0/2 Projects Assigned
- [X] Liaison: Mander/MSS
-- [X] The Favor being called in
- [X] 'Abandoned' Oil Platform
-[X]DFAI-02 'Adrianna' - 0/2 Projects Assigned
- [X] Reaction Force Monitoring: Kaiju
- [X] Reaction Force Monitoring: Other Threats
-[X] The Duo' - 1LT Adam Wilde & SFC James Henry - 0/2 Projects Assigned
– [X] Ichirou-Support Unit - Mega-Blaster Sledder Loadout
-- [X] Seeker Core Unit Development
-[X] 'Build Team' - Anthony, Greg and Kelly - 1/2 Projects Assigned
- [X] Drone Support/Seeker Wing Construction - One Turn Remaining
– Decision - Locked in with Drone Support - See Ignatov's Option for the Decision
- [X] Perseus Support Unit - Sledder K-Scale Compatible Pile Driver
-- [X] (Baseline Technologies: K-Fang, K-Lung, Zirvitium, Faedium, Empathic Booster)
-[X] Jiro Yukimura - 0/2 Projects Assigned
- [X] Funnel Research
-- [X] Adapting Recent Kaiju-Based Innovations
- [X] Saddle Research
-[X] EAI-01 'Lana' - 1/2 Projects Assigned
- [X] Sledder Weapons and Utility - One Turn Remaining; Has +1d6 bonus for this roll from previous success
– Ichiro's Note - I don't suppose I could volunteer to get this fitted onto me? Seriously, what's a guy gotta do to get upgrades here?
- [X] Funnel Research
-- [X] Faedium Power Source Integration
-[X] Dr. Boris Ignatov - 1/2 Projects Assigned
- [X] Drone Support/Seeker Wing Construction - One Turn Remaining
- [X] Funnel Research
-- [X] AI Guidance Systems/Psi Power Linkage?
-[X] Dr. Sam Carlson - 0/2 Projects Assigned
- [X] ESP Theory - Transmutation Research
-- [X] Integration into Weapons Systems
- [X] ESP Theory
-- [X] Psychic Theater Integration with Crocalisk Scale/Pterawing
-[X] Dr. Maximiliane Brand - 0/2 Projects Assigned
- [X] Refinement - Empathic Booster
-- [X] Remote Applicability?
- [X] Faedium Crystalline Structures
-- [X] C-Crystal Refinement. Can Faedium Block Engines create subordinate Crystals connected to the larger power source as well?
-[X] SCAI-01 'Ivana' - 0/2 Projects Assigned
- [X] Experimentation - Crocalisk-class Scale Sample
-- [X] Adapt it to fit the needs of the Funnel project, as a weapon delivery system
- [X] Experimentation - Pterawing-class Wing Sample
-- [X] Adapted to fit the needs of the Funnel Project, as a weapon delivery system
-[X] Zulu - 1/2 Projects Assigned
- [X] Energy Blaster Standardization / Crystal Matrices
– Decision - See Mary's Section
- [X] Dispersion 'Zone'
-- [X] Applied to a Shield?
-[X] Dr. Mary McCullough - 1/2 Projects Assigned
- [X] Energy Blaster Standardization / Crystal Matrices
- [X] Faedium Crystalline Structures - C-Crystal Refinement. Can Faedium Block Engines create subordinate Crystals connected to the larger
-[X] AI-01 'Katarina' - 0/2 Projects Assigned
- [X] Special Project: Orion Project
-- [X] Can we use this with our own stuff instead?
- [X] Experimentation - K-Lung
-- [X] Empathic Booster Compatibility
-[X] AI-02 'Melinda' - 0/2 Projects Assigned
- [X] Experimentation - K-Fang
-- [X] Integration with Crocalisk Scale for disposable hardened munitions?
- [X] Experimentation - K-Scale
-- [X] Shield Effects? Compatibility with Dispersion Field, perhaps?

Alright, the decisions for this might seem weird. BUT.

This is basically going all in on the Funnel project, now that we've got a line towards making it work, and a platform where it can be mass-adaptable to most of our units with the basic Sledder/Faedium Block chassis. If we can get the Funnel working, its going to be an utterly insane game changer for whoever winds up using it, and the Crocalisk Scale and Pterawing Leather are basically super ideal for it. Plus, it'll let us genuinely leapfrog the tech race upon completion. There's no reason not to do it. Plus, we only have two dropships. This way we can keep a lid on the Free Brothers when they try to make a big push. It looks like they don't realize that Bandit is held by the Legio, this means that his would-be rescuers are gonna be in for a nasty surprise while the Free Brothers try to do something to keep Galbinus from otherwise interfering in their rescue operation.

And worst case scenario, the "Rapid Response" team can be contributed towards whatever Galbinus' larger play will be to help sell the charade.

Combine that with us sending our most maneuverable support units and our most nimble heavy hitters outside the Beowulf, who are also our most experienced Super Robots when dealing with the Westphalians to investigate, we get a lot of leeway in making that work. The Orion Project is about a qualitative upgrade to all of our dropships for improved maneuverability and future Ex-Atmo launch capability. The K-Stuff research is intended to grind up our baseline performance more.

But the biggest go-to here is, without a doubt, FUNNELS.

Sasaki will be running as our eyes on the ground for the Galbinus Breakout operation to coordinate there. Diana will be working with Mander on how to set things up, and also be in a good position to take whatever we learn from the Oil Platform and possibly use that as well to help with figuring out that favor they want out of us.

But, again.

FUNNELS.
 
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