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Strategic Arms Quest 3/2: Armor Edition

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looseanon said:
To be fair, survivability is more important than comfort.
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It's not about comfort, it's about being able to get the most out of the tanks. The GBA is limited to 155cm and smaller crewmen, which drastically limits the tankers that can go in there, and the loader is in a really shit position and thus loads the gun slower than competing tanks
brmj said:
I'd be very interested to read that.
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And I fear what they would buy.
 
Hq changed the structure of the armor divisions from high/low to heavy/med/light

Edit: it also helps that most of our entrants fits med tanks more than light.
 
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I just realised, should we test gun elevation and depression along with turret rotation, full chassis rotation time and radii ?
 
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[X] Plan can we get some more tanks?
-[X]Drop the GBA vehicle, but inform them that the Light Tank testing board may be interested. Send that board your testing data on the vehicle.
-[X]Test repair - Look over tank to evaluate ease of replacing various components, including how well the tank can function with parts deformed or damaged.
-[X]Test maintainability: Determine time and expense required to replace any component of the powertrain, including the engine and tracks.
-[X]Test poor conditions operation, such as driving long distances and through mud and loose terrain.
-[X]Retest KW-12 armor.

This is a very preliminary plan and I welcome revisions to the testing arrangement, but I think it satisfies discussion.
 
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TortugaGreen said:
[X] Plan can we get some more tanks?
-[X]Drop the GBA vehicle, but inform them that the Light Tank testing board may be interested. Send that board your testing data on the vehicle.
-[X]Test repair - evaluate time to take a wrecked tank back to operational capacity, how much is damaged by a failure.
-[X]Test maintainability: Determine time and expense required to replace any component of the drive train, including the engine and tracks.
-[X]Test poor conditions operation, such as driving long distances and through mud and loose terrain.
-[X]Retest KW-12 armor.

This is a very preliminary plan and I welcome revisions to the testing arrangement, but I think it satisfies discussion.
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Your repair test worries me. What exactly will "wrecked" be interpreted to mean? I'd rather learn about specific major repairs, or about repairing issues actually encountered during testing. As a first pass, it might also make sense to have a couple engineers and mechanics take a quick look at the vehicles for ease of access, general mechanical robustness and any non-obvious boneheaded engineering choices we may have missed thus far.
 
brmj said:
Your repair test worries me. What exactly will "wrecked" be interpreted to mean? I'd rather learn about specific major repairs, or about repairing issues actually encountered during testing. As a first pass, it might also make sense to have a couple engineers and mechanics take a quick look at the vehicles for ease of access, general mechanical robustness and any non-obvious boneheaded engineering choices we may have missed thus far.
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To be honest, I don't really know either for that one. I knew it should exist, but in what form I was unsure so I went with what can be seen. I'll probably change it, but IDK quite how yet.
 
Repair and maintenance can be rolled up in one test replacing parts for maintenance is not much different then replacing parts because of battle damage.
 
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    • brmj said:
    Your repair test worries me. What exactly will "wrecked" be interpreted to mean?
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    For purposes of accounting, there's four types of wrecked tank.

    Mobility kill: The tank is rendered immobile. This isn't just losing a track, this is serious damage to the suspension or drive train and requires assistance from a recovery vehicle.

    Mission kill: The tank has been compromised in it's armor scheme and or weapons.

    Destroyed: The tank has been damaged to the point that depot repairs- that is, Regiment level and below- cannot restore the tank to fighting condition and it needs to go back to the Divisional motor pool for repair or back to the manufacturer.

    Total Constructive Loss: The tank has been so badly damaged buying a new one is more economical. The only remaining use for this is as a parts hulk, scrap metal, and four panel comics.
     
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    • [X] Plan can we get some more tanks?
    -[X]Drop the GBA vehicle, but inform them that the Light Tank testing board may be interested. Send that board your testing data on the vehicle.
    -[X]Test repair - Look over tank to evaluate ease of replacing various components, including how well the tank can function with parts deformed or damaged.
    -[X]Test maintainability: Determine time and expense required to replace any component of the drive train, including the engine and tracks.
    -[X]Test poor conditions operation, such as driving long distances and through mud and loose terrain.
    -[X]Retest KW-12 armor.
     
    TortugaGreen said:
    -[X]Drop the GBA vehicle, but inform them that the Light Tank testing board may be interested. Send that board your testing data on the vehicle.
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    We ARE Light Tank testing board. We are not interested.

    TortugaGreen said:
    -[X]Retest KW-12 armor.
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    What about MANN? Their entrant would need extensive redesign, because 5.5 mm in a poorly protected turret (Along with it's comparatively poor accuracy and not exceptional speed) don't make a winner.
     
    Winged_One² said:
    It's not about comfort, it's about being able to get the most out of the tanks. The GBA is limited to 155cm and smaller crewmen, which drastically limits the tankers that can go in there, and the loader is in a really shit position and thus loads the gun slower than competing tanks

    And I fear what they would buy.
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    Yeah, 155cm is incredibly short for the time. Like, there's a decent chance recruiting the crew for such a vehicle isn't possible within regulations.

    Like, as a reminder, the British Army's minimum height standard in 1914 before the Great War was 160cm. Irmiones aren't that dramatically different in height from European norms, and like by the interwar period, 155cm was pretty close to the lower bound of what the IJA and IJN were recruiting. It's just too small, unergonomic and incredibly unsafe as a result.

    There's three tanks that actually meet spec and those should absolutely be the ones that go forward.
     
    Dwergar said:
    We ARE Light Tank testing board. We are not interested.
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    Well, no, now you're the Medium Tank Concept Board. They pulled a sneaky on you after the majority of High Command went stuff and you published more whitepapers with dating new concepts in them. It took months to get the Cavalry Branch to understand the concept of Motor Rifles, and then another month to understand they weren't becoming motor rifles!

    lucarionape said:
    I'd still like to see turret rotation, gun elevation and depression and turn size requirement tests.
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    Dude you literally said this like six messages ago c'mon.
     
    NothingNow said:
    Yeah, 155cm is incredibly short for the time. Like, there's a decent chance recruiting the crew for such a vehicle isn't possible within regulations.

    Like, as a reminder, the British Army's minimum height standard in 1914 before the Great War was 160cm. Irmiones aren't that dramatically different in height from European norms, and like by the interwar period, 155cm was pretty close to the lower bound of what the IJA and IJN were recruiting. It's just too small, unergonomic and incredibly unsafe as a result.

    There's three tanks that actually meet spec and those should absolutely be the ones that go forward.
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    Ah, but what if, what if, they recruit women for crews? Tiny people for a tiny tank, it's foolproof!
     
    Pyrelight said:
    Ah, but what if, what if, they recruit women for crews? Tiny people for a tiny tank, it's foolproof!
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    Well, they'd have an even harder time meeting the regulation size, (well, aside from chest size.) And it still wouldn't solve the issues with the loader.

    Also, this is SACQ, not Gayaverse. Mother Arbatescu did advance women's lib pretty far, but oh boy people would still riot over that. Especially your wife.
     
    NothingNow said:
    Well, they'd have an even harder time meeting the regulation size, (well, aside from chest size.) And it still wouldn't solve the issues with the loader.

    Also, this is SACQ, not Gayaverse. Mother Arbatescu did advance women's lib pretty far, but oh boy people would still riot over that. Especially your wife.
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    Practically, the Irromes are running about even with OTL in a lot of respects, and continuing on track with where OTL Germany was heading. It's worth noting to the English-only crowd here that the women's lib was running a solid thirty to forty years ahead of where you'd think it would be at the time- the Great War shocked a lot of the social glue holding things very ridgidly together apart (which is mostly mirrored in the post-Great Pig War Irromes, if not to as large an extent) and resulted in an absolute bloom in the women's lib movement. Had the Notorious Mustache not come into power, it's entirely possible we would have seen the late seventies and early eighties equivalent reactions to repressive patriarchal moves in the forties and fifties.

    Then again, if we hadn't had to deal with the Nazis a lot of things would be different. Se la vie.
    Adhoc vote count started by 7734 on Dec 20, 2018 at 1:16 AM, finished with 45 posts and 2 votes.
    • [X] Plan can we get some more tanks?
      -[X]Drop the GBA vehicle, but inform them that the Light Tank testing board may be interested. Send that board your testing data on the vehicle.
      -[X]Test repair - Look over tank to evaluate ease of replacing various components, including how well the tank can function with parts deformed or damaged.
      -[X]Test maintainability: Determine time and expense required to replace any component of the powertrain, including the engine and tracks.
      -[X]Test poor conditions operation, such as driving long distances and through mud and loose terrain.
      -[X]Retest KW-12 armor.
      [X] Plan can we get some more tanks?
      -[X]Drop the GBA vehicle, but inform them that the Light Tank testing board may be interested. Send that board your testing data on the vehicle.
      -[X]Test repair - Look over tank to evaluate ease of replacing various components, including how well the tank can function with parts deformed or damaged.
      -[X]Test maintainability: Determine time and expense required to replace any component of the drive train, including the engine and tracks.
      -[X]Test poor conditions operation, such as driving long distances and through mud and loose terrain.
      -[X]Retest KW-12 armor.
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    I'd like to state that for the record it's been about twenty four hours since our last derail and I've got two votes right now. C'mon guys, this is kinda disappointing.

    Edit: guys I want to do an update on Friday. Don't make this a game of "who's willing to dragoon their friends into voting"
     
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    [X] Plan Fuck it.
    -[X]Drop the GBA vehicle, request that the designers of it be sentenced to 24hrs inside their creation.
    -[X]Test repair - Look over tank to evaluate ease of replacing various components, including how well the tank can function with parts deformed or damaged.
    -[X]Test maintainability: Determine time and expense required to replace any component of the powertrain, including the engine and tracks.
    -[X]Test poor conditions operation, such as driving long distances and through mud and loose terrain.
    -[X]Retest KW-12 armor.
    -[X]Ask Mann Co to resubmit with a turret that won't kill everyone in it on a hit.
     
    [X] Plan can we get some more tanks?
    -[X]Drop the GBA vehicle, but inform them that the Light Tank testing board may be interested. Send that board your testing data on the vehicle.
    -[X]Test repair - Look over tank to evaluate ease of replacing various components, including how well the tank can function with parts deformed or damaged.
    -[X]Test maintainability: Determine time and expense required to replace any component of the powertrain, including the engine and tracks.
    -[X]Test poor conditions operation, such as driving long distances and through mud and loose terrain.
    -[X]Retest KW-12 armor.
     
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