Not to mention we can potentially prune out some excessive silliness in the form of those sextuple MG mounts and the exclusively rocket armed Thryssen designs. While those rockets look like they are basically the equivalent of getting shot at by a short barrel 8.8 cm gun, I have doubts about their sustained air-defense capability, and I really don't like the sextuple MG mount because 1) MGs, even HMGs, have a very limited lifetime in the AA role that's going to start going away in the coming years, and 2) the larger and heavier you make the gun mount, the harder and harder you make it to train the gun rapidly. This begins nullifying the lightness advantage MGs have over even 2 cm autocannons, which in turn means that you're generally better off with a smaller number of bigger guns in those cases.
Strategic Arms Quest 3/2: Armor Edition
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TortugaGreen
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It's a pretty respectable rocket, and definitely on the large side of anti-aircraft rockets at this time, enough so that I kind of want to point the only-missile one at the artillery corps and tell them to see what they can do./Doubt
I can't knowledgeably comment on what actual military implementations look like, but it seems to me that this need not be the involved process of consulting trig tables you might assume. Just have a big dial marked with ranges connected to the knob that rotates the mirror.
Thank you for reminding me once again just how amusing written German, especially technical language, can be as an English speaker who does not know German.
Yes, but I still want to know how long that takes, so we can test how long it takes each platform's implementation of range-finding and targeting to actually work, to see which implementations are or aren't worth the weight dedicated to them.
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Go home, Thryssen, you drunk.
I want to set a minimum speed for the RFP. It doesn't need the terrain crawling capabilities of the tanks, but it should keep up with the mediums on a road marsh.
I want to set a minimum speed for the RFP. It doesn't need the terrain crawling capabilities of the tanks, but it should keep up with the mediums on a road marsh.
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I mean I've built bigger, personally. They're also a lot smaller than any AA missile that I can think of that's been designed in the last fifty or so years. I guess for the time they're fairly large but I didn't actually know AA rockets were a thing before the late forties so who knows./Doubt
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Winged_One²
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It seems someone has not yet learned about the glory of the Unrotated Projectile.
Although these do appear to be air-burst munitions instead of aerial mines, and they appear to be at least spin stabilized if not finned as well, so these might actually not suck horrifically, if they can be brought to bear quickly and fired with reasonable accuracy.
[X] A Fine Mess Plan
-[X] Entrants must:
--[X] Be armed with either rechambered to 40x360 Baal or Potsdam Armoury autocannons, in quantity of no more than 4.
---[X] Turret mount, should allow firing at an elevation angles of -5..+70 degrees.
---[X] Either spider sight or pivoted ring sight should be used, in addition to others targeting devices that might be installed.
--[X] Be armored against Smg.62 fire at 200 meters from all directions.
--[X] Be tracked, capable of maintaining speed of 20 kph.
--[X] Be able to advance 250 kilometers with no more than 2 refuels and no breakdowns that cannot be fixed in the field.
--[X] Have a radio receiver installed, and have provisions for installation of transmitter-receiver.
We need to vote for something, no?
-[X] Entrants must:
--[X] Be armed with either rechambered to 40x360 Baal or Potsdam Armoury autocannons, in quantity of no more than 4.
---[X] Turret mount, should allow firing at an elevation angles of -5..+70 degrees.
---[X] Either spider sight or pivoted ring sight should be used, in addition to others targeting devices that might be installed.
--[X] Be armored against Smg.62 fire at 200 meters from all directions.
--[X] Be tracked, capable of maintaining speed of 20 kph.
--[X] Be able to advance 250 kilometers with no more than 2 refuels and no breakdowns that cannot be fixed in the field.
--[X] Have a radio receiver installed, and have provisions for installation of transmitter-receiver.
We need to vote for something, no?
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Winged_One²
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That comes out to nearly ten tons of 35mm ammunition.
[X] Plan Let's Reduce the Stupid
- [X] Entrants must:
-- [X] Be armed with at least 1 automatic cannon firing ammunition no smaller than 19x110mm
--- [X] Gun(s) must be turret mounted, and capable of at least a rotation speed sufficient to rotate 180 degrees in less than 8 seconds, as well as having at least -5 degrees of gun depression and 75 degrees of gun elevation
--- [X] Must be fitted with a spider sight, in addition to any other sighting and/or rangefinding mechanisms included.
-- [X] Carry enough ammunition for 5 minutes of sustained, uninterrupted fire, with provisions for being re-armed quickly, ideally without needing to cease firing, with the exception of belt-fed weapons being allowed to cease firing long enough to change belts if needed.
-- [X] Be armored against Smg.62 fire at 200 meters from all directions.
-- [X] Be capable of advancing at 20 kph over uneven terrain, and must be able to keep up with the MANN CO Light Tank on road surfaces.
-- [X] Be able to advance 250 kilometers with no more than 2 refueling stops and no breakdowns that cannot be fixed in the field.
-- [X] Have a radio receiver installed, and have provisions for installation of transmitter-receiver.
I like the basics of the A Fine Mess Plan, but the ammunition thing was a thing, and the gun requirements seem a little odd for me, especially considering it specifies a big gun, not necessarily in a mount that let's it turn fast.
That being said, this thing is going to make a lot of our existing entrants mildly salty, I can already tell.
- [X] Entrants must:
-- [X] Be armed with at least 1 automatic cannon firing ammunition no smaller than 19x110mm
--- [X] Gun(s) must be turret mounted, and capable of at least a rotation speed sufficient to rotate 180 degrees in less than 8 seconds, as well as having at least -5 degrees of gun depression and 75 degrees of gun elevation
--- [X] Must be fitted with a spider sight, in addition to any other sighting and/or rangefinding mechanisms included.
-- [X] Carry enough ammunition for 5 minutes of sustained, uninterrupted fire, with provisions for being re-armed quickly, ideally without needing to cease firing, with the exception of belt-fed weapons being allowed to cease firing long enough to change belts if needed.
-- [X] Be armored against Smg.62 fire at 200 meters from all directions.
-- [X] Be capable of advancing at 20 kph over uneven terrain, and must be able to keep up with the MANN CO Light Tank on road surfaces.
-- [X] Be able to advance 250 kilometers with no more than 2 refueling stops and no breakdowns that cannot be fixed in the field.
-- [X] Have a radio receiver installed, and have provisions for installation of transmitter-receiver.
I like the basics of the A Fine Mess Plan, but the ammunition thing was a thing, and the gun requirements seem a little odd for me, especially considering it specifies a big gun, not necessarily in a mount that let's it turn fast.
That being said, this thing is going to make a lot of our existing entrants mildly salty, I can already tell.
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[X] Plan Let's Reduce the Stupid
qm goofed
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I dun goofed the update last night and the Reinhardt entrant didn't copy over. Somehow. The update has been corrected, with a copy of the correction attached here.
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The Reinhardt entry, meanwhile, probably took the cake in terms of interesting designs. Working off an old discarded chassis designed by MANN before they pulled out of the Tank Destroyer Competition to devote all their energy to producing light tanks, the Type 73 Anti-Aircraft Gun Carrier was an interesting hybrid platform, with a large, closed turret using a high elevation 40mm Baal gun on a power elevation and traverse, with the option to deploy up to an aditional four 13.2mm guns via the turret's large bustle and standing baskets. Gun command was entirely from the commander's coupola, and he was given a rather clever synthetic aperture sight for the main gun that was equipped with an interesting windage adjustment wheel for the floating ring system keeping the gunner/commander from having to actually change the sights out. Backup controls existed in the turret, but the only sights there were a simple reflector sight on a ring and post over the barrel.
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I think that could be achieved by seeing how long it takes the gun crew to react to something happening behind them, or a visual signal from outside the tank to engage a target.
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Did... Did Reinhardt just create a competent design?
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Thryssen isn't drunk, they've just discovered something to use their chem labs for in their free time and it's looking more and more likely said chem labs might try and spin out to start up a rocketry company. There's bound to be a military application of the things somewhere, and the world's not looking any more peaceful than it was five years ago.
You guys have yet to fuck up on the level of me sticking you with an aerial mine.
Yes, since all that would take is the little bushwhacker they keep at Ulm to help with doing fall of shot when they test artillery.
Define competent. It's got some very good points, and some very bad points- starting with the Model 97 derivative chassis.