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Star Wars: Ship Designer Quest

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Sir_Travelsalot said:
Is it legal to sell retrofits of another company's products without some kind of license/paying royalties for that?
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Considering their whole stick is fully customizable however you want and easy to do on your own they can't do anything. Also that refit doesn't exist they can't sue for something if nothing is there. Also the ORSF was creating the ships themselves so that company has the license and did basically the same thing when the Judicials tired to screw them over the last time. Plus the ships of the ORSF are Judicial surplus which means it is even farther removed from CEC control.

Silversun17 said:
why do we need a refit? build a replacemnt pod for the consular class that's a giant missile launcher array and magazine. if you have two or three crews per ship you can maintain an insnae operational tempo during a war that way. ship goes out on a raid, uses its missles, comes back and the crew rotates out while the pod is swapped for a fresh one.
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Because deposit themselves are CEC products. Also without the Refit and upgrades the base ship is weak as hell and doesn't stand up to true standards. It isn't just slapping more weapons on a ship that makes it a refit. It is reinforcing the structure and reworking several systems to work properly.
 
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[] Continue as your original plan called for.
-[] Inform the Colonel that the option to make these changes and duplicate the CR90's setup exists, and we can do so if the customer prefers, but recommend against it on account of it being crazy
-[] Instead, install a second turbolaser turret to cover additional firing arcs and connect it to the one turret generator we already have.

Screw it, if the write-in is allowed I'm going for it. 2 turrets with only enough power to run one at a time is exactly the kind of technically meeting specs we need.
 
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[X] Continue as your original plan called for.
-[X] Inform the Colonel that the option to make these changes and duplicate the CR90's setup exists, and we can do so if the customer prefers, but recommend against it on account of it being crazy
-[X] Instead, install a second turbolaser turret to cover additional firing arcs and connect it to the one turret generator we already have.
 
I do not see the point in adding a second turret and without the modifications even with only one generator, it is still going to cut into the few remaining slots we have that are absolutely needed to be able to add shields and crew quarters. So adding a second turret when it isn't needed and that already takes up the base 4 slots plus any extra slots when we have only 2 slots remaining is a bad idea. Letting Tarkin and the ORSF know about the modification if they want it is fine but that second option is not a good idea.
 
Adventwolf said:
I do not see the point in adding a second turret and without the modifications even with only one generator, it is still going to cut into the few remaining slots we have that are absolutely needed to be able to add shields and crew quarters. So adding a second turret when it isn't needed and that already takes up the base 4 slots plus any extra slots when we have only 2 slots remaining is a bad idea. Letting Tarkin and the ORSF know about the modification if they want it is fine but that second option is not a good idea.
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[X] Continue as your original plan called for.
…good point, since we have no clue what the space savings could be, assuming it could work, it could still leave no space for the shields and the crew quarters we need...
 
Themarineguy said:
[X] Continue as your original plan called for.
…good point, since we have no clue what the space savings could be, assuming it could work, it could still leave no space for the shields and the crew quarters we need...
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That is why I am voting for the modification. It frees up 2 more compartments giving us 4 to work with when we get to the special compartment section next. That means stronger shields, maybe a missile system (don't think we should add it here), and crew quarters that won't be a pain to live in. Because the modification isn't about adding another turret it is about making the one we already have better and saving space. Plus we have a bunch of advantages that we can use to remove flaws and strengthen the power lines so they aren't a danger.
 
Driven by Apathy said:
Wait, so there is no engineering reason not to connect the turbolasers to the main reactor? Then why are our experts calling it crazy?

@Jax, can you clarify? Because if true, this really changes everything.

Again, @Jax, can you clarify? What precisely is the regulation?
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Your experts call it crazy because no one has thought about this since the last major war. At that time something like this would be crazy but since then the tech behind powerlines have changed.

The regulations say that each turret with an enegry weapon in it needs its own generator so it dosn't need to be put into the main energy grid. Becouse, according to old documents, that can lead to a feedback that blows out mainreactors.
 
[X] Make the changes and continue with the project. Time was ticking.
 
[X] Continue as your original plan called for.
-[X] Inform the Colonel that the option to make these changes and duplicate the CR90's setup exists, and we can do so if the customer prefers, but recommend against it on account of it being crazy
-[X] Instead, install a second turbolaser turret to cover additional firing arcs and connect it to the one turret generator we already have.
 
[X] Continue as your original plan called for.

Let's not get too fancy for now. The reactor linked to turbolasers is something that warrants further investigation, both in tech and how to make sure we get it past the radar without the Republic trying to breathe down our necks. If we can do that, it's fair game to refit the Corvettes to the new standard, and we might have a better product to show.
 
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[X] Continue as your original plan called for.
-[X] Inform the Colonel that the option to make these changes and duplicate the CR90's setup exists, and we can do so if the customer prefers, but recommend against it on account of it being crazy
-[X] Instead, install a second turbolaser turret to cover additional firing arcs and connect it to the one turret generator we already have.
 
Okay. I've seen an irksome trend of wanting to inform Tarkin he can get a better product by going to a bigger company.

This is economic suicide. "We can't give you what you want. One of our competitors can. Don't give us your money. Don't buy future products from us." How long do you expectto stay in business that way?
Seriously, less is more. Give them a wolf pack corvette and tell them it's ready to roll.
 
Jax said:
Your experts call it crazy because no one has thought about this since the last major war. At that time something like this would be crazy but since then the tech behind powerlines have changed.

The regulations say that each turret with an enegry weapon in it needs its own generator so it dosn't need to be put into the main energy grid. Becouse, according to old documents, that can lead to a feedback that blows out mainreactors.
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Is that feedback still a problem with modern powerline technology, or can we be sure that won't be a problem?
Barondoctor said:
Okay. I've seen an irksome trend of wanting to inform Tarkin he can get a better product by going to a bigger company.
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It's actually informing Tarkin that the bigger company's product is critically flawed.

Though of course that only holds true if feedback blowing up the main reactors is still a problem with modern tech. Otherwise the correct choice is to simply make the changes and continue with the problem.
 
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Driven by Apathy said:
It's actually informing Tarkin that the bigger company's product is critically flawed.

Though of course that only holds true if feedback blowing up the main reactors is still a problem with modern tech. Otherwise the correct choice is to simply make the changes and continue with the problem.
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Jax already said that technology has overcome the problem, but attitudes toward it have not adjusted yet, since it has been ages since anyone did it.
 
Sir_Travelsalot said:
Jax already said that technology has overcome the problem, but attitudes toward it have not adjusted yet, since it has been ages since anyone did it.
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Did he? Can you direct me to that post please?

He didn't say so in his response to my earlier question - all he said there was that since then powerline technology has changed. It might well be that the CEC merely assumed it wouldn't be a problem with modern powerline technology, but it actually remains a crippling vulnerability.
 
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Driven by Apathy said:
It's actually informing Tarkin that the bigger company's product is critically flawed.
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As I recall, he's not one to care about small things like his entire ship exploding because of something that could occur in certain circumstances.

Also while the tech might have gotten there (and thus no flaw only vaguely illegal gain) attitudes haven't.

I had the thought of feeding a capacitor from the main reactor so the turrets could run from that instead. It could, in theory, skate around both the legality problem and the space problem since you're only storing power not making it.
 
Barondoctor said:
I had the thought of feeding a capacitor from the main reactor so the turrets could run from that instead. It could, in theory, skate around both the legality problem and the space problem since you're only storing power not making it.
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That also sounds like a solution, if it's technologically feasible.
Barondoctor said:
As I recall, he's not one to care about small things like his entire ship exploding because of something that could occur in certain circumstances.
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This is admittedly an excellent point. :lol:

That being said, it would be good to have a ship that's also genuinely high-quality, rather than just one that technically fulfills the customers requirements, wouldn't it?
 
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Barondoctor said:
I had the thought of feeding a capacitor from the main reactor so the turrets could run from that instead. It could, in theory, skate around both the legality problem and the space problem since you're only storing power not making it.
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@Jax How about it? Power storage unit dedicated to the turrets fed off the main reactor. Any chance that could be smaller, less "Science Team has Vapor for Brains", or more effective overall as compared to the standard?
 
Barondoctor said:
Okay. I've seen an irksome trend of wanting to inform Tarkin he can get a better product by going to a bigger company.

This is economic suicide. "We can't give you what you want. One of our competitors can. Don't give us your money. Don't buy future products from us." How long do you expectto stay in business that way?
Seriously, less is more. Give them a wolf pack corvette and tell them it's ready to roll.
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No we are not. We are telling him we can cheat the regulations the same way if he wants to. It isn't a CEC product or anything like that. Giving the customer the option and knowledge that it is possible is not saying "go with this bigger company". We let the ORSF and then they can have Quintad Orbital Manufacturing and Eriadu Manufacturing Shipyards do it themselves if they don't want the Judicials looking into our products. Adding the second Turbo laser is the bad choice because it takes up the space that we need for shields and crew.

Barondoctor said:
@Jax How about it? Power storage unit dedicated to the turrets fed off the main reactor. Any chance that could be smaller, less "Science Team has Vapor for Brains", or more effective overall as compared to the standard?
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That is already what is happening. Power goes to the capacitors and that power is used to fire the gun. That is how all energy weapons work in this universe. Also again Tarkin does care about flaws like that. If it is still a problem he will not authorize it if the risk outweighs the benefit. And the DS is not an example of him not being safe. The flaw was such a minor one that it took literal magic to make it work since the defenses on the DS wiped out the original rebel assault with over a hundred X-Wings and killed all but three pilots in the second attempt. The flaw was also unknown and at best a 1 in 19 chance to find and attack the correct exhaust port probably worse sine that is just the northern hemisphere exhaust ports and not the southern or any other ports that would exist.
 
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Driven by Apathy said:
Is that feedback still a problem with modern powerline technology, or can we be sure that won't be a problem?
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Sir_Travelsalot said:
Jax already said that technology has overcome the problem, but attitudes toward it have not adjusted yet, since it has been ages since anyone did it.
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What Sir Travelsalot said is what I tried to tell you in my answer. English isn't my mother langue, so when it comes to technical aspects I can't follow or explain it from a certain point on. I'm sorry if my answer wasn't clear enough.

Barondoctor said:
@Jax How about it? Power storage unit dedicated to the turrets fed off the main reactor. Any chance that could be smaller, less "Science Team has Vapor for Brains", or more effective overall as compared to the standard?
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The turrets have power conductors and the possibility to store power between shoots, as standard in Star Wars.

The thing that isn't allowed by regulation at the moment is, that the power that is stored comes directly from the main reactor.
 
[X] Make the changes and continue with the project. Time was ticking.

Okay that makes sense that attitudes from the last war are still in effect (which was how many centuries ago?)

Enthusiast#117 said:
[X] Continue as your original plan called for.

Hmmm. I'm not a fan of becoming part of the problem, nor of encouraging unsafe modifications.

Every ship has some kind of weakness, this is just ours.
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We got clarification that the weakness is from the last major war which was a long time ago and tech has made it no longer a danger.
 
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[X] Make the changes and continue with the project. Time was ticking.

No major downside?
Well, it would help meet the project demands. While it might lead to legal trouble, it is kind of something it seems like we would have run into eventually anyway with the nature of corporation competition in the time of the old republic...🤷‍♂️
 
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