Star Wars: Ship Designer Quest

[khang]

[X] Make the changes and continue with the project. Time was ticking.

This is a great way to start a slap fight with CEC, who would wind up and take our heads clean off. No, no thank you, not today.

The thing we do with this information is keep it in our pockets for a time when we would be better able to leverage it. We have no wealthy patrons, no senators in our pockets, just a couple of customers who like our approach but could go elsewhere if they wanted.

Our entire company is probably smaller than their Legal Department.

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unless CEC owns a patent on sticking undpowered reactors to turbo laser guns they have to expect that other people will copy them or just independently come up with this same loop hole as they did, there will be no grounds for them to start a slap fight with us. if they attack us on the grounds that what we are doing is illegal and won they would have to prove that their tiny generator can in fact power the guns and remove the emergency power cable if the republic decided to amend the regulations to kill the loop hole out right.

 

[Barondoctor]

You're assuming a fair and balanced republic government at the start of the clone wars era.

I'm assuming CEC owns enough influence if we got caught doing what they did they'd get it grandfathered or patented and we'd get fined.

 

[Enthusiast#117]

The last thing we need is legal trouble. If we keep the current configuration, at worst we can come back later after doing some research and make a better version.

Besides, this way we'll be keeping costs down. If we get it done cheap enough, all other concerns melt away.

A dependency on pack tactics is fine and dandy if you can afford to buy them in bulk.

 

[Void Stalker]

CEC is also a major industry in a influential Core system, the power they have in the Senate and government is far more than the representative of our planet. As it is smaller companies tend to be the ones that get made an example of for breaking laws since it does not piss off anyone important in doing so.

[X] Continue as your original plan called for.

 

[sleepyanon]

[X] Continue as your original plan called for.

 

[Keeper of Dreams]

[X] Continue as your original plan called for.

 

[Driven by Apathy]

[X] Continue as your original plan called for.
-[X] Inform the Colonel that the option to make these changes and duplicate the CR90's setup exists, and we can do so if the customer prefers, but recommend against it on account of it being crazy
-[X] Instead, install a second turbolaser turret to cover additional firing arcs and connect it to the one turret generator we already have.

EDIT/ Actually, a thought occurs: If I understand correctly, the problem is that we'd need two turret generator's to power two turbolaser turrets at the same time, but there's only room for one? And the CEC "solved" this problem by connecting the turbolasers to the main generator, which does indeed solve the power issue, but at the price of blowing up the ship if one of the turrets takes a hit?

Well, what if we were have two turrets and then connect the turret generator to both turrets? Yeah, it might not be able to power both of them at the same time, but it can still power any one of them, thus covering all firing arcs and also adding redundancy in case one of the turrets is rendered inoperable.

 

[Deltamaster]

What people are forgetting when voting for the main reactor feed system is that CEC has a stupid amount of support from the republic (Being one of the oldest biggest Manufacturing planets in the core). Because of this they can get away with stuff like this on account of being able to call in favours. Blackmail or such with seated republic members to force them to block/drop any enquiries of foul play.

We dont have that (Not to mention that our world is a former Sith based factory world if I remember the lore selected prior). We would already get in hot water with the republic (As CEC would work to protect its interests and turn the screws on us by calling in its brigade of Lawyers and republic stooges to make an example of us)

Thats not even counting the Jedi getting their dogmatic heads stuck into this mess... (not the first time they ruined something with ties to the sith) ... no matter how tenuous. Hell in cannon they pissed of the original sith species by orbitally bombarding them out of the blue for using the dark side! No declaring war... no negotiation... Just straight up attempted Genocide)

Also wouldn't the main reactor feed run the risk of detonating the ship if the linked gun got destroyed? Cuz that was a rather sizable plot point in Rise of Skywalker with its minideathstar bullshit destroyers (Xyston classes).

 

[Driven by Apathy]

@Jax
Would something like what I proposed here be feasible?

 

[Jax]

@Jax
Would something like what I proposed here be feasible?

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You mean the extra Write-in option? I don't see a problem with it.

Also to make things more clear: the turrets in a CR90 have each their own generators. They are just to small for any real engagment, not even a short on. The Emergency Powerline to the main reactor is labeled as such, for some strang reason all buyers take out the Generators and trust an emergancy system. So, technicly no law or regulation is broken.

 

[Driven by Apathy]

You mean the extra Write-in option? I don't see a problem with it.

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That too, but what I meant was the hooking up the turret generator to two turrets option. Actually, let me edit that in as a second write-in.

 

[Themarineguy]

And the CEC "solved" this problem by connecting the turbolasers to the main generator, which does indeed solve the power issue, but at the price of blowing up the ship if one of the turrets takes a hit?

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[X] Continue as your original plan called for.

...I think just fitting another turbolaser might not be worth adding such a vulnerability. If we could make a twist utilizing the general idea without creating a situation where losing one turret takes the whole ship, I might consider it...

 

[Driven by Apathy]

...I think just fitting another turbolaser might not be worth adding such a vulnerability. If we could make a twist utilizing the general idea without creating a situation where losing one turret takes the whole ship, I might consider it...

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Uhm... yeah? That's kinda the whole point of the alternative I proposed. Did you read the rest of my post?

 

[Themarineguy]

Uhm... yeah? That's kinda the whole point of the alternative I proposed. Did you read the rest of my post?

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[X] Continue as your original plan called for.
-[X] Inform the Colonel that the option to make these changes and duplicate the CR90's setup exists, and we can do so if the customer prefers, but recommend against it on account of it being crazy
-[X] Instead, install a second turbolaser turret to cover additional firing arcs and connect it to the one turret generator we already have.
If this would work, it sounds good.

 

[Adventwolf]

We should steal a march on the military Corvette Missile boat. The original DP-20 isn't around yet and since the QM has said that Missiles are not considered a major weapon system it won't be started yet.

That means they won't consider a Corvette equipped with missiles as its primary armament a issue or violation. But instead of going with the smaller 120 meters we go bigger at 190-200 meters similar to this unit but with a different look instead of the CEC asthenic.

CEC DP40 Heavy Gunship by Shoguneagle on DeviantArt

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[Driven by Apathy]

Also to make things more clear: the turrets in a CR90 have each their own generators. They are just to small for any real engagment, not even a short on. The Emergency Powerline to the main reactor is labeled as such, for some strang reason all buyers take out the Generators and trust an emergancy system. So, technically no law or regulation is broken.

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I'm less concerned with laws and regulations here, and more with the reasons behind those regulations. Do I assume correctly that using the emergency powerline to the main generator (as obviously intended by the CR90s designers, even if they don't state it openly) is massively unsafe, and will result in catastrophic damage to the ship if something goes wrong (like the turrets taking hits during combat)?

If so, that would lead me to the solution I proposed in my earlier post: Having one properly sized turret generator is still much better than having two hopelessly undersized ones, even if the one generator isn't quite sufficient to have both turrets operate at full power. So our ship will still be better on paper than the CR90, and will also be better in fact on account of not spontaneously exploding when one of the turbolasers is damaged.

 

[Sir_Travelsalot]

I'm less concerned with laws and regulations here, and more with the reasons behind those regulations. Do I assume correctly that using the emergency powerline to the main generator (as obviously intended by the CR90s designers, even if they don't state it openly) is massively unsafe, and will result in catastrophic damage to the ship if something goes wrong (like the turrets taking hits during combat)?

If so, that would lead me to the solution I proposed in my earlier post: Having one properly sized turret generator is still much better than having two hopelessly undersized ones, even if the one generator isn't quite sufficient to have both turrets operate at full power. So our ship will still be better on paper than the CR90, and will also be better in fact on account of not spontaneously exploding when one of the turbolasers is damaged.

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Nah, from what Jax has written previously, it was a measure meant to restrict how heavily armed a ship could be, since each turbolaser would need to be built with its own generator, thus limiting armaments with size constraints.

 

[khang]

I'm less concerned with laws and regulations here, and more with the reasons behind those regulations. Do I assume correctly that using the emergency powerline to the main generator (as obviously intended by the CR90s designers, even if they don't state it openly) is massively unsafe, and will result in catastrophic damage to the ship if something goes wrong (like the turrets taking hits during combat)?

If so, that would lead me to the solution I proposed in my earlier post: Having one properly sized turret generator is still much better than having two hopelessly undersized ones, even if the one generator isn't quite sufficient to have both turrets operate at full power. So our ship will still be better on paper than the CR90, and will also be better in fact on account of not spontaneously exploding when one of the turbolasers is damaged.

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i thought the law was that every turret need it's own generator so hooking up both guns to one seems like a blatant violation of the law unless you intend to have the second one hooked up with a small reactor

 

[Driven by Apathy]

Nah, from what Jax has written previously, it was a measure meant to restrict how heavily armed a ship could be, since each turbolaser would need to be built with its own generator, thus limiting armaments with size constraints.

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Wait, so there is no engineering reason not to connect the turbolasers to the main reactor? Then why are our experts calling it crazy?

@Jax, can you clarify? Because if true, this really changes everything.

i thought the law was that every turret need it's own generator so hooking up both guns to one seems like a blatant violation of the law unless you intend to have the second one hooked up with a small reactor

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If so, I guess we will have to label one of those connections as an emergency power line?

Again, @Jax, can you clarify? What precisely is the regulation?

 

[Void Stalker]

i thought the law was that every turret need it's own generator so hooking up both guns to one seems like a blatant violation of the law unless you intend to have the second one hooked up with a small reactor

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Wait, so there is no engineering reason not to connect the turbolasers to the main reactor? Then why are our experts calling it crazy?

@Jax, can you clarify? Because if true, this really changes everything.

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No there is a major disadvantage and a reason the revised weapon has 1 advantage and 3 flaws. Mainly that a single hit to any of the turbolasers can overload the system which leads to bad things

"No, they can't be that crazy, the possibility of an overload of the system is just too high. Not even if you consider the possibility of a sudden energy drop in the middle of a fight should the energy conduct be damaged."

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[Deltamaster]

If the gun is hit with a ion or crippling weapon the backlash feeds down the conduit back into the reactor and overloads that... Which would vapourise the ship it's on.

 

[Adventwolf]

Consular-class cruiser (Charger c70 retrofit)/Legends

The Consular-class cruiser (Charger c70 retrofit), or the Republic frigate, was a model of retrofitted Consular-class cruiser that turned the ships into small frigates. Corellian Engineering Corporation created this for Supreme Chancellor Palpatine during the early part of the Clone Wars. Unlike...

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We can also make this refit. The Outland regions security force has a lot of consular class cruisers available to them. That means that aside from the new ones we are building for them we can up there current crop of Corvettes into the charger C70. The ships are already in their possession and are more militarized versions of that ship anyways so us further refitting and upgrading wouldn't be a issue or violation either. The charger C70 isn't as strong as a fully militarized CR90 but it is a step up to what is currently available to them. There are also a lot of other people that have that ship so it would not only give us a larger market but it would also allow the other smaller shipbuilding companies to do it themselves. Cutting out CEC from lucrative packages and deals. The ships are already sold they have no right to them after all they can't be blamed for what customers do after The ship has left their control. So by that logic they can't complain when those same customers create a better version of it.

 

[Sir_Travelsalot]

Consular-class cruiser (Charger c70 retrofit)/Legends

The Consular-class cruiser (Charger c70 retrofit), or the Republic frigate, was a model of retrofitted Consular-class cruiser that turned the ships into small frigates. Corellian Engineering Corporation created this for Supreme Chancellor Palpatine during the early part of the Clone Wars. Unlike...

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We can also make this refit. The Outland regions security force has a lot of consular class cruisers available to them. That means that aside from the new ones we are building for them we can up there current crop of Corvettes into the charger C70. The ships are already in their possession and are more militarized versions of that ship anyways so us further refitting and upgrading wouldn't be a issue or violation either. The charger C70 isn't as strong as a fully militarized CR90 but it is a step up to what is currently available to them. There are also a lot of other people that have that ship so it would not only give us a larger market but it would also allow the other smaller shipbuilding companies to do it themselves. Cutting out CEC from lucrative packages and deals. The ships are already sold they have no right to them after all they can't be blamed for what customers do after The ship has left their control. So by that logic they can't complain when those same customers create a better version of it.

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Is it legal to sell retrofits of another company's products without some kind of license/paying royalties for that? Because if not, there's no sense in paying CEC to do their work for them.

 

[Silversun17]

Consular-class cruiser (Charger c70 retrofit)/Legends

The Consular-class cruiser (Charger c70 retrofit), or the Republic frigate, was a model of retrofitted Consular-class cruiser that turned the ships into small frigates. Corellian Engineering Corporation created this for Supreme Chancellor Palpatine during the early part of the Clone Wars. Unlike...

starwars.fandom.com

We can also make this refit. The Outland regions security force has a lot of consular class cruisers available to them. That means that aside from the new ones we are building for them we can up there current crop of Corvettes into the charger C70. The ships are already in their possession and are more militarized versions of that ship anyways so us further refitting and upgrading wouldn't be a issue or violation either. The charger C70 isn't as strong as a fully militarized CR90 but it is a step up to what is currently available to them. There are also a lot of other people that have that ship so it would not only give us a larger market but it would also allow the other smaller shipbuilding companies to do it themselves. Cutting out CEC from lucrative packages and deals. The ships are already sold they have no right to them after all they can't be blamed for what customers do after The ship has left their control. So by that logic they can't complain when those same customers create a better version of it.

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Is it legal to sell retrofits of another company's products without some kind of license/paying royalties for that?

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why do we need a refit? build a replacemnt pod for the consular class that's a giant missile launcher array and magazine. if you have two or three crews per ship you can maintain an insnae operational tempo during a war that way. ship goes out on a raid, uses its missles, comes back and the crew rotates out while the pod is swapped for a fresh one.

 

[LokiTheDarkGod]

[X] Continue as your original plan called for.