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The clone wars are going to get worse then canon. The core worlds hold most of the high end industry and one of the big boys is now pissed off at the republic. That means the anti-current republic faction is gonna be stronger for it.


OG clone wars were ultimately a core vs periphery conflict with a goverment vs corpo side element, now it's more of a free for all
 
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Don't really see us joining one side or the other on purpose, think we are just going to get dragged by our planets politics instead and don't think we are going to get eaten at all by something bigger, since our military will wait there native production not stolen and that it doesn't also look good for a politician to let your homegrown boys and girls companies get turned into a husk by bigger outside ones?
 
If we go military products I kinda want to target the little people as our market. Aka all the people caught between thr two sides or staying out of it.
 
Manowl said:
Don't really see us joining one side or the other on purpose, think we are just going to get dragged by our planets politics instead and don't think we are going to get eaten at all by something bigger, since our military will wait there native production not stolen and that it doesn't also look good for a politician to let your homegrown boys and girls companies get turned into a husk by bigger outside ones?
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I do imagine we'll have some say on what side we're ending up on, but yeah it is more realistic for us to get pulled along with whatever side our planet joins. I was thinking in terms of how a lot of big companies decided to back one side but we really aren't big enough to be dealing with that.

as for us getting absorbed by a megacorp, the CIS government was completely controlled by the megacorps with the civilian government holding no real power at all, if one of them felt like taking control of a smaller companies assets there's nobody that could or would stop them except the other megacorps. and as for our planets military protecting us, we don't really know what kind of forces they have. most republic planets had miniscule defense forces before the clone wars, and most separatist ones were almost completely replaced with battle droids, which were directly controlled by the megacorps.

the CIS was a complete failure as a rebellion from the beginning, it was a rebellion to fight against the corruption in the senate that got co-opted and taken over by megacorps. of course that was all most likely done to make it easier for Palpatine to paint them as the villains in his propaganda.
 
Silversun17 said:
If we go military products I kinda want to target the little people as our market. Aka all the people caught between thr two sides or staying out of it.
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Considering we're unlikely to be able to produce anything with enough quality or in large enough quantities to be considered worth a second glance by either side... that's probably a good idea. :V

Also the increase in state contracts means more of the major manufacturers' products will be going to the war effort, which in turn means civilians wanting to purchase their own starships from those people will be dealing with higher prices, waiting lists, or both. Naturally that encourages looking into alternatives, like us.
Manowl said:
Kind of have to since both sides have there favorite companies especially the trade federation.
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This as well. We lack both the bribe money and the connections to actually win one of these major contracts, even if we did somehow have a good enough product and a large enough industrial output.
 
Archmage Zoltan said:
I'd hope not because if the Separatists weren't being held back by Palpatine then they would have crushed the Republic even with the clone army.


if it does happen then I'd imagine if we stay with the Republic with so many companies switching sides we could likely get government backing just for being one of the ship producers that sided with them. although it would likely only be minor because they'll have bigger shipyards. if we side with the Separatists... we're going to get eaten by one of the megacorps, I can't see any other way that would go down.
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You are assuming that this quest's CIS is going to be the canon CIS. When the megacorps just got their friendly puppet elected as Supreme Chancellor.

I honestly suspect this universe's CIS to actually be the outer rim worlds, many of the mid rim worlds and a handful of the old Republic loyalists who believe that the Republic they stand for has been overtaken by corruption, backed up by the Jedi.
 
Pyro Hawk said:
You are assuming that this quest's CIS is going to be the canon CIS. When the megacorps just got their friendly puppet elected as Supreme Chancellor.

I honestly suspect this universe's CIS to actually be the outer rim worlds, many of the mid rim worlds and a handful of the old Republic loyalists who believe that the Republic they stand for has been overtaken by corruption, backed up by the Jedi.
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hmm, that's a good point. which could have weird implications. like, with the megacorps siding with the republic then they would get the droid army. and what will happen with the clone army in that case, if we go with the idea that I was responding to where Palpatine will use the CIS to take over, then where the hell will they get an army that can match that? I can't see the Kaminoans turning over the clones, and creating an army from conscripts would take too long to reach a point they could match it (if they could match it at all).

edit: actually the Kaminoans in atleast one version of canon tried to take over the empire themselves, which was why the empire stopped using clones in that version of the story. I could absolutely see them pulling something if they're just left to their own devices with a massive army that the client never comes to collect.
 
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They could cut corners in the clone making and training and other such stuff to up production, also droids are not really the best at fighting guerrilla wars without atrocities that will give big propaganda wins for the other side.
 
Archmage Zoltan said:
hmm, that's a good point. which could have weird implications. like, with the megacorps siding with the republic then they would get the droid army. and what will happen with the clone army in that case, if we go with the idea that I was responding to where Palpatine will use the CIS to take over, then where the hell will they get an army that can match that? I can't see the Kaminoans turning over the clones, and creating an army from conscripts would take too long to reach a point they could match it (if they could match it at all).
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Both sides be volunteer armies backed by Droid swarms this time around depending on how much control the sith have.
 
Silversun17 said:
Both sides be volunteer armies backed by Droid swarms this time around depending on how much control the sith have.
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that does make sense but it leaves the clone army sitting on Kamino, which is a really bad idea because the Kaminoans are absolute monsters. in this scenario I could imagine them either suddenly throwing support behind one side trying to subvert control of it, or becoming a third faction trying to conquer everything themselves.

this idea actually sounds really interesting now that I'm thinking about it.

edit: I had always assumed that the clone army was set up well before Palpatines plans really kicked off. but I just looked it up to check and apparently the army was commissioned after the battle of Naboo. this sounds a lot less plausible now.
 
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Archmage Zoltan said:
that does make sense but it leaves the clone army sitting on Kamino, which is a really bad idea because the Kaminoans are absolute monsters. in this scenario I could imagine them either suddenly throwing support behind one side trying to subvert control of it, or becoming a third faction trying to conquer everything themselves.

this idea actually sounds really interesting now that I'm thinking about it.

edit: I had always assumed that the clone army was set up well before Palpatines plans really kicked off. but I just looked it up to check and apparently the army was commissioned after the battle of Naboo. this sounds a lot less plausible now.
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the point of the clones was to create an army for the Jedi to lead that would turn on them once O-66 was issued. In this timeline Palps won't know which side the jedi will take and if say the corellians are the rallying point for one faction? well that's a group that will be hard for him to manipulate since that lot is so proud and influential.
 
The mid and outer worlds don't have a lot of population or production areas except for the trade federation factories remember.
 
Silversun17 said:
the point of the clones was to create an army for the Jedi to lead that would turn on them once O-66 was issued. In this timeline Palps won't know which side the jedi will take and if say the corellians are the rallying point for one faction? well that's a group that will be hard for him to manipulate since that lot is so proud and influential.
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so, like I said in my edit I was only really thinking about this idea because I made a mistake and thought the clone army had already been created.
 
Okay, let's see what your budget brought you!
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The clones are kind of a wild card. Because legally, it was the Jedi that ordered their creation. Which Palps leaned into after co-opting it because he saw the opportunity for a trap. So depending on how things play out, the clones may side with whoever the Jedi sides with because it was the Jedi's purse that funded the cloning operations.
 
Also, if it's core vs rim…

No chance, the only reason the Rim faction done well was the Core simply didn't take the war seriously, leaving the limited by infanstructure clone army and outer irregular forces to do the fighting for them. Much like the USA civil war there was a REASON they just wanted to secure their independance, especially as the Core has too much production for the Rim to handleshould they decide to inconvenience themselves and go full war footing.

But in this situation, the dice may fall differently, potentially even resulting in a divided core, which would throw many things out the window.
 
Themarineguy said:
Also, if it's core vs rim…

No chance, the only reason the Rim faction done well was the Core simply didn't take the war seriously, leaving the limited by infanstructure clone army and outer irregular forces to do the fighting for them. Much like the USA civil war there was a REASON they just wanted to secure their independance, especially as the Core has too much production for the Rim to handleshould they decide to inconvenience themselves and go full war footing.

But in this situation, the dice may fall differently, potentially even resulting in a divided core, which would throw many things out the window.
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Wouldn't it potentially end up in a three way war then because don't think that the other core world faction would be up for outer rim Independence as well?
 
I wonder if the Green Jedi are around? Considering how angry the Corellians are, and the Sith angle we might see the Greens act "independently" here. So sorry about those dozen angry Jedi showing up out of nowhere, they aren't under the authority of the Chancellor or the High Council. There's nothing the Valorum and Yoda can do you know?
 
MonkeyTypewriter said:
I wonder if the Green Jedi are around? Considering how angry the Corellians are, and the Sith angle we might see the Greens act "independently" here. So sorry about those dozen angry Jedi showing up out of nowhere, they aren't under the authority of the Chancellor or the High Council. There's nothing the Valorum and Yoda can do you know?
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The greens are one of the reasons I'm expecting g the Corellians to end up a central figure in the "we want to the republic to not suck" faction in opposition to Palp's fascists and the sell out's cyberpunk fetishist faction.
 
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