Shards of a Broken Sun [Megaten/Shugo Chara/Exalted]

I wonder how amenable her friends would be to Amu teaching them One Weird Trick to study faster after this? :V
Or some number of dots in Teleportation and/or Astral projection to keep in touch with her friends after she leaves school?
You'll get the chance, actually. Makoto has Plans, and is now just waiting for all her classmates to be together again. Especially Amu, who is a cornerstone element of the Plan(tm).
 
You'll get the chance, actually. Makoto has Plans, and is now just waiting for all her classmates to be together again. Especially Amu, who is a cornerstone element of the Plan(tm).
Gonna guess it might have something to do with her younger sister Micchan, who looks positively bloodthirsty in her most recent mugshot and specializes in Mind Reading, and combining this with Amu, who happens to be very capable in Mind Writing, in order to have the pair act as a mobile wetware communications server in a world that relies on high-speed mental Read/Write to approximate telepathy, since actual telepathy does not exist.

Not that I am saying for certain that Micchan is definitely Makoto's younger sister.

I estimate that there is only a 5% chance that this is actually the case.
 
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I estimate that there is only a 5% chance that this is actually the case.
I absolutely, positively hadn't considered this option. I do find it quite amusing that everyone's assuming she might be a bad influence, by the way—if anyone is that, it's Ami. Micchan is just a really, really fun friend... and totally not likely to get you in trouble...

But you know what?

Is Micchan Makoto's little sister?
[ ] Yes
[ ] No
 
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Uh, who is Micchan and Makoto anyway?
(And what happens if we vote no?)
Micchan is an expy of Misaki Shokohou from A Certain Magical Index, specifically based on the version from the fanfic A Certain Mental Isekai. "Makoto" might be referring to Makoto Sako from Devil Survivor 2, but given the context of the original statement I think it's referring to a Shugo Chara character... and since I don't know Shugo Chara I can't go into details.
 
Uh, who is Micchan and Makoto anyway?
(And what happens if we vote no?)
Nothing much would change, to be honest. I defined Micchan to have a rather large family, and it's guaranteed that at least one of them is in Amu's class, but it doesn't need to be Makoto precisely. That being said, here's some stub character sheets. These are not going to be fully accurate, but they should give you an idea.

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Shokuhou Misaki, brain-o-kinetic at large

Motivation: Exploring every last secret in Seiyo Academy
Age: Seven

Willpower: 6

Shokuhou Misaki, 'Micchan', is one of Ami's closest friends and an inveterate tomboy. She's a nice girl, don't misunderstand, she just appears to be the sort of nice girl who has the energy of four elephants, the confidence of someone twice her age, and the wisdom of a particularly unwise cat. This is much to the dismay of her two older brothers and older sister, all of whom get shanghaied into sitting on her on a distressingly regular basis.

Misaki looks up to Ami, but also tends to drag her into her shenanigans. So far this has largely been confined to Ami's classroom, although Miki has some hilarious stories if you ask her about it.

Her expy ability is limited, as this version of Misaki grew up under very different circumstances than the standard.

Attributes

Strength●●○○○Charisma●●●○○Perception●●○○○
Dexterity●●●○○Manipulation●○○○○Intelligence●●○○○
Stamina●●●○○Appearance●●●○○Wits●●●○○

Abilities

Firearms○○○○○Integrity●○○○○Craft○○○○○
Martial Arts●○○○○Performance○○○○○Investigation○○○○○
Melee○○○○○Presence●●○○○Lore○○○○○
Thrown○○○○○Resistance○○○○○Medicine○○○○○
War○○○○○Survival●○○○○Occult○○○○○
Athletics●○○○○Bureaucracy○○○○○
Awareness●○○○○Linguistics○○○○○
Dodge●○○○○Driving○○○○○
Larceny○○○○○Piloting○○○○○
Stealth○○○○○Socialize○○○○○

Psionic skill

Telekinesis○○○○○Empathy●○○○○Astral proj.○○○○○
Hydrokinesis●○○○○Mental range○○○○○Mental scan*●○○
Mind control○○○○○
Illusion●○○○○

*: A form of mind-reading limited to providing statistics. She can ask herself "How many people in this classroom know the answer to the teacher's question" and she'll get an answer, but she isn't able to directly read their thoughts.

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Makoto, unamused older sister

Motivation: Keeping her family and classmates safe
Age: Thirteen

Willpower: 6

Makoto has two older brothers and a younger sister, but the younger sister is too young to be interesting. As a result Makoto has spent a distressing amount of time being treated like the uninteresting little sister, while the littlest didn't even bear mention. This is the case, regardless of precisely who said sister is.

She likes her siblings, even when they try to arm-wrestle her over who does the dishes. This is especially the case recently, as she started winning those fights—much to her brothers' confusion. She is not, however, particularly girly—and this is a sore spot with her, especially when her parents decide that surely, as a rather short and slight teenage girl, she cannot possibly be all that athletic.

Makoto is determined to prove them wrong.

More recently she lost a friend to a demon attack on Seiyo Academy. This has warped her motivation, which is now focused strictly on making sure that won't ever happen again.

Attributes

Strength●●●○○Charisma●●○○○Perception●●●○○
Dexterity●●●○○Manipulation●○○○○Intelligence●●○○○
Stamina●●●○○Appearance●●○○○Wits●●○○○

Abilities

Firearms○○○○○Integrity●○○○○Craft○○○○○
Martial Arts●○○○○Performance○○○○○Investigation○○○○○
Melee●○○○○Presence●○○○○Lore○○○○○
Thrown○○○○○Resistance●○○○○Medicine●○○○○
War○○○○○Survival●○○○○Occult○○○○○
Athletics●●○○○Bureaucracy○○○○○
Awareness●●○○○Linguistics○○○○○
Dodge○○○○○Driving○○○○○
Larceny○○○○○Piloting○○○○○
Stealth○○○○○Socialize○○○○○

Psionic skill

Empathy○○○○○Electrokinesis●○○○○Bioelectrics*●●○
Mental range●○○○○Dreamwalking○○○○○

*: Primarily, Makoto can apply electrokinesis to enhance her own biology; regeneration, strength or dexterity, adding up to <electrokinesis + bioelectrics> dice to a roll on those attributes. It is nowhere near as fast a form of healing as Biokinesis. Bioelectrics at higher ranks is not as limited.

Unlike Amu and Yaya's tactile telekinesis, Makoto faces consequences for overlocking her biology in this way: Each boost dot used in a roll has a 50% chance of applying one health level's worth of crippling damage. She can subsequently regenerate the damage, at one hour per health level—given sufficient biomass—or one day per health level, given sufficient food. Makoto's regeneration, unlike biokinesis used with illusion at rank two, cannot regenerate lost biomass without a suitable source of material.
 
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[X] Yes
Doesn't sound like it's gonna be "someone should have died" level of Shenanigans, so why not?

Btw, Baughn, when I'm done reading version 1 of the quest, do you mind if I try to do a comparison to draw some information/objectives for us out of it in spoiler boxes/invitext?
 
[X] Yes
Doesn't sound like it's gonna be "someone should have died" level of Shenanigans, so why not?

Btw, Baughn, when I'm done reading version 1 of the quest, do you mind if I try to do a comparison to draw some information/objectives for us out of it in spoiler boxes/invitext?
Go ahead, just don't forget that it's... well, a different story. I would suggest not using invisitext; not everyone is able to read that.
 
Saaya is going to wake up to such a weird world. Or, well, a differently weird world - Shugo Chara canon was pretty weird already.
This is much to the dismay of her two older brothers and two older sisters, all of whom get shanghaied into sitting on her on a distressingly regular basis.
Makoto has two older brothers and a younger sister, but the younger sister is too young to be interesting.
Does Makoto have any other sisters?
 
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Makoto may be modelled loosely off of Junko, but she very specifically isn't an expy, so that wasn't a thing anyway.
.....So a cross between Junko Hokaze and Mikoto Misaka (who you mentioned she wals also loosely based on before) in terms of psychic powers.

But also actually fit, due to having 3 dots of physical Strength, Dex and Stamina attributes even without psionically boosting her muscles. Considering she's only in middle school, someone was pumping iron.
*: A form of mind-reading limited to providing statistics. She can ask herself "How many people in this classroom know the answer to the teacher's question" and she'll get an answer, but she isn't able to directly read their thoughts
Wait, she can do that with zero Mental Range?

If it's not tied to the Mental Range skill, what's actual the range on Mental Scan?
 
Wait, she can do that with zero Mental Range?
Ten meters, approximately. Which is also the limit for how far you can do anything at all with zero dots in range.

Micchan has potential, that's what all the zeroed-out skills mean, but at the moment it's mostly potential. Please don't hook her up to a giant brain to shortcut that.

Makoto still uses a degree of psionic enhancement to achieve that physical strength and speed even when she isn't trying to push it at all, as three dots is already quite a lot, but that's the "passive" level that has no restrictions or drawbacks of any form. That being said, heck yes she's been training. Couldn't survive in that family if you don't.
 
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More recently she lost a friend to a demon attack on Seiyo Academy. This has warped her motivation, which is now focused strictly on making sure that won't ever happen again.
If Makoto and Misaki are siblings, we have easier access to both at once. But also possibly a lower level of access to Misaki, if Makoto is now paranoid and insistent about keeping her family out of trouble - especially since Misaki was one of the ones in the elementary school section injured in the demon attack. Though given Micchan's profile, having an overbearing Makoto breathing down her neck seems like a recipe to result in her simply running off on her own.

On the other hand. Misaki was injured in the demon attack, just like Ami.

That would give Amu an automatic level of common-ground rapport with Makoto, on account of both of having little sisters who got victimized by demons at Seiyo. Maybe even some gratitute between Makoto and Ami for the latter helping to protect Misaki during the attack.

......Personally I feel like this is really the kind of decision that should be made by the story-writer. But from the perspective of a quester, this seems like an easy opportunity to give Amu an quick friendship opening with a potential ally, so....

[X] Yes
 
It's also fairly painful.
Really does raise the question of why a 13 year old would care enough to train such a skill, unless this was a recent addition?
Got ninja'd by the QM while writing this post lol

I promise I'm not such a harsh QM that you'll regret leaving a few percentage points on the floor.
> Looks at the version 1 quest's situation
> :V
More seriously, does the same still apply to leaving 1 XP on the floor?

1: If we really wanted more XP and had training time to spare, do you mind letting us know when our allies are training a skill that we can serve as a teacher in? (Eg: Utau wants to train Telekinesis, or Miki teaching Utau Resistance for some reason, or Ami wanting to learn Biokinesis???)
Then we might be able to munchkin the 1XP saved back to whoever needs it via the common pool?

(Utau could also teach us Performance, but I have no idea why we'd want that ability?)

2a: I don't suppose the XP discounts stack if we magically manage to find more than one good teacher in (subject)?
2b: I don't suppose 'getting out of school' counts as a Major Goal? :V:V:V

3a (not a question directed towards you):
Given the currently known requirements for flash-training to not have too many side effects (should not be self-focused, and the flash-training should be a side effect of whatever we used it for, not the main intent, ???, ???, ...)
If we narrow down the number of skills that might remain appropriate to flash-train given these constraints, could we invest spare XP (which may not exist) into those skills in advance, so that we don't end up losing so much XP by flash-training?
3b: Does the severity/magnitude of the side effects of flash-training also depend on the number of XP we've already invested into the XP bar for that skill?

(Baughn, you might want to add a note in the Informational about how training Specialties are cheaper than the general version, because as things stand unless relevant rolls go Ath + Ath (Music) + (other things) there's absolutely no reason why you'd ever want to buy one?
Also, Utau having 8 WP is quite a lot, which is good for us but still.)
 
If we narrow down the number of skills that might remain appropriate to flash-train given these constraints, could we invest spare XP (which may not exist) into those skills in advance, so that we don't end up losing so much XP by flash-training?
What we got told was that if we already have a skill being trained in-progress, the XP cost for SOS boosting it shrinks in turn. And usually the side-effects (probably not for Integrity, given what we know).
If it would cost 2 XP to train the normal way, and you've invested 1 XP by the time you hit the SOS button, then only the remainder (1 XP) gets doubled—so you'd pay 3 total, instead of 4. The non-XP impact would also be reduced... probably. Depends on what exactly you're calling on.
That said, being able to boost a skill also relies on there being an opportunity for it. If the story doesn't give a scenario where using the skill/ability in desperation will help, it can't be bought. That makes it a little difficult to plan for in advance.

IMO, there are only 2 abilities/skills that are "always" going to be useful no matter the scenario, one is Integrity to let Amu use more psionics in general without getting "mental abrasion". The other is Illusion simply due to the sheer versatility of the skill. The former apparently can't be emergency-boosted without side effects. The latter is so useful, we're probably always going to pick it for regular training at every opportunity we get even outside SOS boosting.
 
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There's also an in-story explanation for why precog works less well now than it used to earlier, but no-one has guessed at it yet, IIRC.

I'll take that as an invitation to bloviate beyond any actual capacity for rational analysis. :V Assuming we're still in the Amala Multiverse depicted in the previous quest (or at least something more-or-less shaped like it), I have... let's say three ideas. THREE! THREE IDEAS! AHAHAHAHA!

The Conception, in the previous quest, changed the fundamental structure of the world0. It shouldn't be surprising that precognition wouldn't work under the new regime in the same way as the old. That hasn't happened yet, but it's happening soon, and precognition definitionally interfaces with the future. One can imagine that precognition might fail completely at the point of the Conception, only growing more precise with increased (temporal) distance from it. (More likely, for ludic reasons, it'll level to a nonzero accuracy rate post-Conception; it'll just be increasingly inaccurate the farther in the future it tries to look — like a straight-line extrapolation of a significantly curved manifold, to draw an analogy that possibly isn't an analogy at all.)

Alternatively, precognition as it's practiced by our protagonist (and perhaps her parents' peers) is more of an algorithm that relies on an external oracle1 for K-physics2 than any sort of inversion of causality. If so, then if K-physics isn't the primary physics in play, the oracle's output is no longer accurate. Now, you might think "but isn't sorcery, including psionics, a manifestation of m-physics already?" Well, yes, but it's one Kagutsuchi grudgingly allows and has longstanding mechanisms for handling and, in particular, shutting down when they get out of hand... except that's maybe not true anymore, isn't it? We just had a rift open up in the middle of our classroom doing a decent impression of Baby's First False Vacuum Collapse3, and apparently it only got shut down due to human4 intervention, and Hotsuin did imply that something had to have been scraping away at the fabric of reality as we know it in order for a traumatized middle-schooler and her psionic unwilling-rival classmate to have cracked it open.

Finally, it's possible that there's an Essence user active in the universe right now. I'm not sure a Sidereal could pull off most of what they do without the Loom of Fate; but if they've figured out how to sub Kagutsuchi in for it, they'd almost certainly be enough to throw off predictions, given how hostile Creation's metaphysics are (were?) to that sort of thing. (...I think. It's been more than a few years since I interacted with Exalted — not since SoaBS v1, really.)



0​ Well, what most of its human residents perceived as the fundamental structure of the world, anyway.
1​ In the complexity-theory sense, and not necessarily the mythological sense.
2​ To borrow a term from the previous thread. Even though I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who ever used it.
3​ This is not a Schild's Ladder reference, although perhaps it should have been.
4​ For at least the purposes of this sentence, Amu counts as human.


The impossibility of writing a quest with questor-dispatchable precog, or absolute 100% accurate future vision, is the out-of-story explanation for it.
It might require the questors to buy into the idea, but I think it's feasible, in theory. C°ntinuum managed to be a whole TTRPG with a similar premise.

Looks like the Dumpty Key really doesn't boost Utau's skills by a whole level, otherwise she would've gotten an extra dot on Ragged Crossroads and it would've been 5 dice rolled rather than 4.
Well, not generally, at least. Ragged Crossroads is EDGE and WINTER, while the Dumpty Key is obviously a KNOCK tool. :V

Makoto may be modelled loosely off of Junko, but she very specifically isn't an expy, so that wasn't a thing anyway.
I confess I had to reread her bio to realize she wasn't, instead, an expy of a certain other tomboyish and athletic electromaster by that name.
 
I confess I had to reread her bio to realize she wasn't, instead, an expy of a certain other tomboyish and athletic electromaster by that name.
Hah, that was my first guess too back when we only knew she was an athlete with electricity powers, only to get immediately informed that she was closer to the Railgun herself, but apparently not an expy like Micchan. And that the healer in her battle group with the "moon-shard"-feeling powers was not Usagi Tsukino.

This was also the first time we got informed she had 2 older brothers, and older sister and a younger one. And was also actually when I first came up with the thought that the younger sister might have been Micchan, upon realizing the younger probably went to Seiyo too.
We just had a rift open up in the middle of our classroom doing a decent impression of Baby's First False Vacuum Collapse3, and apparently it only got shut down due to human4 intervention, and Hotsuin did imply that something had to have been scraping away at the fabric of reality as we know it in order for a traumatized middle-schooler and her psionic unwilling-rival classmate to have cracked it open.
Eh, actually, that human was Hotsuin, using the Dragon Vein. And I think the rift is actually still there, just frozen in some sort of stasis bubble by the Dragon Vein. At least, it was the last time she saw it, which was during her chat with Hotsuin.

Though the world having problems enforcing its regular brand of physics seems evident based on the quest synopsis ("Physics is unraveling like a poorly knitted scarf, yanked apart by the collective psychic weight of eight billion souls."). But whether it's actually Kagutsuchi in charge of his "K" physics here is still unconfirmed. We haven't met him yet, unlike the last version of the quest.

If Amu's world is secretly cognitive, it's possible it's actually Philemon/Nyarly in charge of it. Even if not, could still be something else like Polaris.

.....Depending on how many leaves get taken out of Raildex, I suspect there might actually be 3 different types of "physics" in play here. Natural ("K"?) physics, currently being degraded by "overgrown" souls enforcing their own personal reality of how they think physics should work through use of Psionic powers (that is, Raildex Esper-like "AIM-physics"). And then "m" physics, the type that Makai/the Expanse operates on, involving Magatsuhi and whatever laws SMT sorcery/magic usually works by.

That's roughly analogous to how in Raildex you have "base" (Pure World?) physics that seemingly gets overridden by every other supernatural power unless you are Touma and can enforce it with Imagine Breaker. And then "Idol Theory"-physics AKA magic. And then "AIM/Personal Reality"-physics enforced by Esper powers. And then whether Espers can enforce their Personal Reality over magicians seems to be down to how powerful the individuals in question are (meanwhile nobody except Touma has any way to reassert "base physics" over the other two types).
 
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