Shards of a Broken Sun [Megaten/Shugo Chara/Exalted]

I gotta ask though, is that really much different from summoning an entity with the intent of performing psychic surgery on a brain-damaged teenage girl, in the same panicked situation where she can't fully control what it's doing?

Because that's exactly what happened the last time......
Is an open invitation to alter the mind of the summoner in a way more to the demon's liking different from an invitation to heal someone else?

Yes. It is. The crucial difference--one of the crucial differences--is that Amu (or really Su) invited the healer specifically to heal Saaya, and the increment to biokinesis was a side-effect. Doing the same for Integrity is almost always going to be self-focused.
 
Yes. It is. The crucial difference--one of the crucial differences--is that Amu (or really Su) invited the healer specifically to heal Saaya, and the increment to biokinesis was a side-effect. Doing the same for Integrity is almost always going to be self-focused.
In that case, couldn't the emergency boost to Integrity simply be justified as being the side effect of summoning a demon not to specifically to alter her mind, but to do something else (i.e. crush a demon she couldn't normally defeat, close a rift, etc.)?

With it taking over her body to do the task meaning she had to increase her Integrity to withstand getting amped up by it?
 
In that case, couldn't the emergency boost to Integrity simply be justified as being the side effect of summoning a demon not to specifically to alter her mind, but to do something else (i.e. crush a demon she couldn't normally defeat, close a rift, etc.)?

With it taking over her body to do the task meaning she had to increase her Integrity to withstand getting amped up by it?
She'd still be cribbing off the demon's notes. Integrity is the ability used to survive that without mental damage; using it to boost Integrity will do something, but even in the best case you'd be rolling the dice.
 
She'd still be cribbing off the demon's notes. Integrity is the ability used to survive that without mental damage; using it to boost Integrity will do something, but even in the best case you'd be rolling the dice.
So you're basically saying that there's no way for Integrity to be boosted by an emergency buy without any sort of drastic side effects. And that even in the case where we're buying it due to something directly trying to squish her brain (i.e. Nyarlathotep, etc.) the extra dot we gain is likely going to come with more permanent side effects (subject to dice roll) than the week-long coma like we got for buying Biokinesis.

Since the logic is that the only method for her to achieve it is something like grafting a demon in front of her soul to hold up as a mental meatshield for intercepting that kind of attack. And she'll then be permanently spending the rest of the quest with a chunk of demon hanging off her soul, that gets tapped whenever she needs to resist something requiring Integrity 4+ or whatever the level we bought was.

Is there anything else on the Ability/Skill list that is "guaranteed side-effects" from emergency buying, or is Integrity the only special one?
 
Overgrowth. But you don't know about that one yet, and I doubt it'll come up.
I remember that, it already came up once during the training dice rolls.

Don't think anybody guessed it was an actual skill though, at least I just assumed it was purely a descriptor for the event being rolled for.

I'm guessing that's the one responsible for Amu's accelerated learning times compared to normal humans. The follow-up question then is whether anybody else also has it......
 
I remember that, it already came up once during the training dice rolls.

Don't think anybody guessed it was an actual skill though, at least I just assumed it was purely a descriptor for the event being rolled for.

I'm guessing that's the one responsible for Amu's accelerated learning times compared to normal humans. The follow-up question then is whether anybody else also has it......
It's closer to being an attribute than anything. To provide a slight spoiler, it's the psionic equivalent of an Essence score. Though the exact mechanics will have to wait.
 
Hmm. Interesting.

If it's called "Overgrowth" but is an Essence-like Attribute rather than a Skill/Ability, it does carry some potential implications about the nature of psychic powers and the users. As in that context, it can be interpreted not to represent the "ability to grow" but rather "how overgrown" a psychic already is (in comparison to normal humans, I would assume).

But we'll cross that bridge when we get there, I suppose.
 
I wonder if this has anything to do with the mystery event for boosting a skill past 3. Maybe what'll happen is that we'll discover we need to boost this Overgrowth thing first.
 
If we do, it sadly probably won't be an instantaneous boost. We basically got told the Level 4 event is going to take a chunk of in-story time to get through.
Amu will be fine! Probably. I'm mentioning so you can take that into account for time estimates, not because- Grant us eyes, grant us eyes. Plant eyes on our brains, to cleanse our beastly idiocy.

Er. That's specifically the thing that doesn't happen in such a case.
My first assumption was that it would result in her winding up in a coma for a week - but if "time estimates" strictly means just "training time estimates" and not "time management for the quest" as a whole, that still means Overgrowth is going to take a while to train and probably everything else will get put on ice until it's done.

....I really hope it doesn't use Attribute training times. As that would mean we need at least 1 month to level Overgrowth and that's if Amu's base level in it is just at 1. And I have this awful feeling she's already got 4 points in it, one for each Chara. Which, going by Attribute training times, would mean *shudder* an extra 4 months of training to get an extra level in it. 896 hours. She could be subconsciously training it 24/7 non-stop and still need 38 days to finish that.
 
Might be linked to something other than time. You can boost Essence immediately when you complete a Motivation. There could be something similar for Overgrowth.
 
I guess with the visions on possible pasts, we learnt a bit about how Manticore operates. Which seems to be pretty ruthlessly considering they don't seem to have much issue with killing.

And apparently consciously bringing a Chara to the forefront costs 1WP, opposed Psionics cost 1WP, and Dia has a cooldown?)
One can wonder if certain skills could eventually help remove some of the cost, though one would have to guess which one it would be then. One option would be I guess getting closer to what the actual charas abilities are.
 
I wonder, was there any possible timeline where Kana got everyone out alive without killing anyone?
 
I wonder, was there any possible timeline where Kana got everyone out alive without killing anyone?
It's extremely unlikely. Without spoiling much, I can only say that Utau would never be able to see such a timeline.

This one is going in her character sheet

 
Baughn, is it safe to say that Overgrowth is what allows for accelerated training times for Psionics (and the degree may be dependent on its value)?

Also, what does Amu think of testing out of school once she gets Lore 2 for more training time?
Normally it's not happening in Japan, but given her being a Psionic being revealed it might be possible, especially given Tsukasa is presumably regretful on what happened and would be supportive of efforts to get better to avoid such repeats, and how we can go to a Psionic training school under Hotsuin instead and/or go for 'home schooling'?

(Complications with Kana aside, that is.
Though if Manticore doesn't have the Psionic shields that Hotsuin and co have, I think it's a reasonable conclusion that the two groups are separate, or that Manticore is disposable.

But why would Manticore (Black Ops) not have mental defences to prevent a vengeful Psionic from reading their minds and seeing the link towards Hotsuin's group in that scenario?)
 
I wonder, was there any possible timeline where Kana got everyone out alive without killing anyone?
Probably, but I doubt it was in the more likely ones.
If my guess on her backstory was correct and Kana was getting special treatment from the staff/had a doctor who cared about her, I would be inclined to think that, had she never killed anyone to begin with, she wouldn't have wanted to leave.

I interpret that sunshine-and-rainbows room she was isolated in to mean she was having a pretty good time compared to the other subjects and only felt guilty due to it all having been paid for with a pool in blood and a knife in hand (my guess is, from her killing her doctor).

So if she never killed anyone, there would've been nothing for her to feel guilty about. No reason for her to want to escape when she's getting teddy bear presents and a happy life with people who care about her.
 
Normally it's not happening in Japan, but given her being a Psionic being revealed it might be possible, especially given Tsukasa is presumably regretful on what happened and would be supportive of efforts to get better to avoid such repeats, and how we can go to a Psionic training school under Hotsuin instead and/or go for 'home schooling'?
There is no other "psionic training school", that was her old school Seiyo Academy. According to the QM, Amu's type of abilities are new and the first one to ever exist was Utau's brother, Ikuto. Even her school principal, Tsukasa, is apparently not a Psionic depsite having precognitive powers.
Also, psionics of Amu's style have only been around for less than ten years. Ikuto is the first.
So she would have to wait for Seiyo Academy to be rebuilt (well, the middle school section anyway) to go back to it. Unless she wants to lend herself to Manticore human experimentation researchers, which I would not vote for.

Note that her entire class are also psionics and that includes Saaya, who she wouldn't see as often if she didn't go to class with her, which actually gives her a reason not to want to test out (alongside her original Motivation on her character sheet being to live a normal life, which presmuably includes going to school like normal).
 
The Seiyo student body is likely the single largest gathering of psions in the world. Even temporarily dispersed, it's an extremely important connection to have. Also, most of Amu's friends are Seiyo students. I'd rather not test out until we've found some other way to maintain ties.
 
I also would like Lore 2 for narrative reasons but i think Amu thinking of testing out of school is unrealistic (well, at least right now), for one, her friends would still be going there.
I'm of the opinion that she wouldn't actually need to "test out", in order to free up the time that would nominally be needed to be spent sitting in class.

Realistically, I'd think that she could just talk to Tsukasa and upon proving to him she already knows the academic side of the curriculum inside-out, he'd be inclined to give her leave from regular classes as long as she showed up to the formal exams and could repeat her academic performance there.

She'd nominally still be enrolled in Seiyo, have access to all its facilities and have a table waiting for her in class whenever she chose to show up, but otherwise if she decided to, I dunno, spend the time training Medicine by trying to treat demon attack victims at JPs medical lab instead, she'd have the dispensation to skip classes to do that.

Not sure how in-character it would be for Amu to want to skip, but Tsukasa always seemed to be kind of laissez-faire personality-wise.
 
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