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(@Alratan: don't worry! Charas might not be able to do that sort of thing, but Primordial subsouls totally can.)

Also, sudden crackpot idea: Nyarlathotep is the Shadow of humanity. We (not Amu specifically, but humanity as a whole) need to accept that.

For a more serious, longer-term goal, we'll probably need to replace Kagutsuchi's laws with laws of our own (unrestrained growth = cancer)... but we don't need to have the bindings so tightly in place. Presumably Nyarly is formed from the destrudo of humanity; if human subsouls are more easily permitted to form (including Personal Shadows), Nyarlathotep will at least be severely diminished. (Of course, so too will Philemon.) ...lots of consequences. Hmm.


TehChron said:
[X] Burn Essence to remember that lost memory
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I know of no way to spend Essence which would accomplish this feat.
 
Quickshot0 said:
You want ultimate Chara, don't you? What next, turning Philemon into one as well? ;)
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Naw, consider the implications for a bit

Chara are sentient dreams/manifested possibilities that are incredibly close in nature to Shadows, right? With Teddy and his similar nature to the end result of Shadow Etched Unto Air, the Chara share a similar development cycle to Shadows

And since we've confirmed that they share roots as well, that means that the Collective Unconscious is capable of creating a Chara as well, it simply lacks the collective ability to shape for one to manifest

Now consider what Chara actually represent, and how that'd affect Nyarlothotep. He is, after all, every rebellious thought

Every desire to change, for better or worse

Now what happens when his nature is,warped to put the,positive aspects of all that ahead of the shit like Nyx?

That part about Nyarly is why I suspect Philemon can't undergo a similar aspect shift. He represents the desire to "not change" as Nyarlys opposite aspect

And that's without even going into the stuff I still am not sure enough to guesstimate on yet

Edit: Dammit, Count >_>

We need to circumvent this laser guided amnesia somehow....
 
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Unfortunately Exa-Kun isn't around, otherwise we could have tried to do something with Elusive Dream Defense or Memory Reweawing Disciple.
 
I see, so it's part of that pseudo Chara from earlier, which means the combination wasn't perfect, further strengthening the possibility that the fungus is whats left of it
 
TehChron said:
I see, so it's part of that pseudo Chara from earlier, which means the combination wasn't perfect, further strengthening the possibility that the fungus is whats left of it
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"Possibility?"

I'm virtually 100% convinced it Is the remains of the pseudo-Chara.

Considering it was using a lot of the same terminology as the Fungus when the Exaltation poked it.
 
Alectai said:
"Possibility?"

I'm virtually 100% convinced it Is the remains of the pseudo-Chara.

Considering it was using a lot of the same terminology as the Fungus when the Exaltation poked it.
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Well, Im convinced of a lot of stuff, too, but I like to ground stuff in stronger evidence before acting on those beliefs

Im cautious, basically
 
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TehChron said:
-[X] He said you're not entirely human anymore because of Exa-kun, right? Doesn't that mean he can't know what you're thinking? You can afford to stretch the truth a bit, he's pretty scary after all, and all over, too!
-[X] "Why is it me that you need to help you? You said you're insane, don't you think you might just have me mixed up with someone else? Someone braver and stronger and not a little girl like,me?"
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... what?

No, really, what?

Are you seriously attempting to have Amu Hinamori mislead Nyarlathotep?
 
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TehChron said:
Yep.

Brilliant, ain't it?

If not even Luci can hack into Amus mind without permission, then Nyarly doesn't have a shot in hell
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You do realize that it is in no way necessary to read someone's mind in order to tell that they're lying?

And that Amu Hinamori is, for reasons both mechanical and narrative, a very poor liar indeed?
 
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You do realize that it is in no way necessary to read someone's mind in order to tell that they're lying?

And that Amu Hinamori is, for reasons both mechanical and narrative, a very poor liar indeed?
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And also stressed out beyond all known belief and scared shitless of the evil black fog surrounding her ominously

There are only so many tells Nyarly can pick up on, and he's the kind of guy that would applaud the audacity of it even if Amu were to get caught
 
It's true, though! Her Valor and Strength ratings are both at merely human average!
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Skelm said:
"don't you think you might just have me mixed up with someone else? Someone braver and stronger and not a little girl like me"
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That's playing dumb and the shy little girl who isn't a confident Dawn Solar with successful military actions under her belt

That's not a lie, that's fishing for information. And Amu doesn't need to lie to pretend to be a little girl in over her head

Im sure it comes surprisingly natural to her considering just how much she's stressing right now

Count, you called me out on how dumb the idea is.

What are the consequences if Im wrong?
 
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TehChron said:
What are the consequences if Im wrong?
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Uh, well. Nyarlathotep becomes angry because you're trying to play him for a fool, and either a) kills Amu, or b) tries to kill Amu, fails, and kills Fumi out of spite instead?

There's probably options c) through z), too, but as they all branch off from the starting point of Nyarlathotep Is Not Amused, I don't see any of them being positive.
 
Lie or just manipulate with misleading it has the same roll. Manipulation.

Amu is way better at confronting the issue directly. Don't demand or insult. Just ask to be allowed to try without aid or hindrance.

Given who we're talking to, simply not fucking with us is a huge relief.
 
[X] "Honestly... I want to make things better, even for you, it wouldn't be Right to let anyone to suffer... I'm not ready to give an answer yet honestly, and I want to see how far we can get on our own power. To see if we can find a path that as many people can walk away from it happy. And until I know more about myself and the world, I won't know what a good answer is. I appreciate your offer, and if you have any suggestions, I'll hear them out, but I don't think it's the right time to be making any kind of deals, especially when I still have room to grow, and maybe find an even better path."

An honest statement that doesn't provide any alienation, while still providing a tantalizing hint of an even better outcome. Yes, Nyarlahotep wants to die--but that's because it Literally can't comprehend any continual existence as desirable

The idea behind this write-in is essentially not just straight up saying "No, fuck you" (Because that tends to make Shadows go crazy, and Nyarlahotep is what amounts to being the Shadow of all of mankind). But saying "I appreciate your offer, and if such is the only way, I'm willing to help you with that, but I'd like to see what I can find with all of my growing talent if there's a really, really good way of pulling that off without anyone else suffering."

Not deferring, just reminding him of us being a barrel of surprises, and might find a path where it can be satisfied, without harming anyone.

Because if Anything falls into Nyarlahotep's domain, it's Doubt and pointing out that we might be able to figure out a really, really good way of giving him what he wants would be enough for him to at least withdraw and consider the possibilities. This would hardly be the first time he's tried to off himself after all, and they haven't succeeded in the past--often due to his own intervention. At the very least, Amu remaining a "Free Agent" of sorts means that Philemon is not obligated to oppose her as a counterbalance.
 
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Uh, well. Nyarlathotep becomes angry because you're trying to play him for a fool, and either a) kills Amu, or b) tries to kill Amu, fails, and kills Fumi out of spite instead?

There's probably options c) through z), too, but as they all branch off from the starting point of Nyarlathotep Is Not Amused, I don't see any of them being positive.
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Uh...A and B are,both unlikely. Remember,EP?

Nyarly is a sporting type through and through, he doesn't get pissed at people for playing the game, he only loses it when losing. And fishing for information is perfectly fair to him given that in that game he acts as an NPC that helps the,player in exchange for gossiping about their current plans

At least try to come up with something plausible when listing consequences

Alectai, that write ins a straight up refusal that's far more,likely to antagonize him by playing the holier than thou card. Not to mention it ends the conversation without netting us anything

It's a full on retreat, not a compromise
 
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TehChron said:
Uh...A and B are,both unlikely. Remember,EP?

Nyarly is a sporting type through and through, he doesn't get pissed at people for playing the game, he only loses it when losing. And fishing for information is only fair since in that game he acts as an NPC that helps the,player in exchanged for gossiping about their current plans

At least try to come up with something plausible.

Alectai, that write ins a straight up refusal that's far more,likely to antagonize him by playing the holier than thou card.
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I'm pretty sure it's not actually refusal, and it doesn't try to take him on with only Two Dice

Note, that your stunt would likely be Manipulation + Investigation. Which is Two Dice. As in having something on the lines of a 20-30% chance of a Botch, and virtually no chance of dinging him even if we do laser-guide a successful hit on his Motivation.

My Write-in is intended (And I clairified this so I can get help with the wording), to bring our Charisma into play, and Politely defer a commitment, without insulting him, while probing to see if he'll be willing to give us some more information to better guide our decision. Not refusing, mentioning that we're still inclined to help him, but want to see how far we can go before we take any official plunge. This is not telling him to fuck off in any way, shape, or form, and retains us as a potential asset.
 
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