Winged One
Not the Simurgh
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- definitely the ground
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- They/Them/It
Pretty sure that's fanon.
So... are there any practical applications for this knowledge?
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- Thread starter Baughn
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Maybe? I'm a 3rd year physics major and I'm only grasping what he and Baughn are talking about abstractly. Hell if I could try to explain it much less use it myself. That bit is basically saying that demons are sitting outside reality and figuring out how to get in by making themselves appear like humans metaphysically? I think? ... Probably not honestly and someone will correct me and I'll feel like an ass and slink off trying to forget my shame somewhere else.
Killing a Third-Circle Demon to change the primordial is cannon, though I hesitate to say you could make them sane by destroying parts of their mind.
I think we'll probably come across someone or something from Rindler in the future. The Catalyst/Humpty Lock/mind fungus seems to come from there, and this is probably relevant to why Amu was given it in the first place.
No, the people outside the novo-vacuum were human and had to move into it because it was eating their universe. The humans in Amala and Creation both descend from those original colonists if you trace things back far enough.
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have you seen the in a nutshell video about vacuum collapse? it's a bit like that with an area of space with one set of physical laws existing within a larger area of space with different physical laws. However someone figured out a way to cross over from one set to another and into a form that can support their mind on the other end of the divide.
so we have at play 4 sets of physics. Motanic physcs which is what our exaltation runs on, simulated physics which earth runs on, metaphysics which the realms that demons live in run on, and ladder physics which is a universe that exists outside the metaphysics universe. Exalts are partially made to be able to function in hostile realities and force the local laws of physics into compliance, so we may be able to move between these systems at some point if we take the right charms.
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Quantumboost
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Forcible involuntary crippling psychosurgery != therapy.
Important distinction, that is.
Important distinction, that is.
Considering the nukes issues with harming high level entities... it's probably likely that some how giving extra weight to a modern day armies ability could help a lot. Either by giving soldiers some kind of level of 'magic', or alternately perhaps by trying to improve the seal to make normal 'physics' count more heavily against invaders... or perhaps do both.
Reinforcing the seal would help with the outer areas in general any way, as well as make it harder to break down further parts of reality...
I guess alternately Amu could try learning to make new pieces of stable reality herself?
As some what mentioned, it probably means all humans come from the same root. And considering the interactions between Exa and Exo and them having a key they could agree with on each other, this seems pretty much confirmed for Exalted and SMT humanity.
There Autochthon was responsible for the original design of Exa, it seems quite likely this key came from him. And considering Autochthon was involved in creating that reality and considering things like Exa were considered some of the highest grade of what is possible. This implies that Autochthon must have been in contact with humans, as well as acquired human technology that apparently allows for the creation of ultra-tech.
And thus possibly the Primordials used human technology to create a reality that will support humans, with kind of human like physics as long as one doesn't look to deep. When one thinks about it like that, this seems a bit to much to be just a coincidence, no? One can start wondering what the Origin of the Primordials was in general due to this...
And if that's the case for them... what does that say for the SMT reality? Another place which has human ultra-tech in it, which is built in a some what different way (but still decipherable for Exa) to create a human physics environment... Does this mean that God possibly has a valid sign key from the Rindler as well?
Thus... are all these realities in the end from the same root?
It wouldn't be strange if the ladder physics is fundamental in this case though, and that the various more conceptual realities are something constructed on top of it then. Conceptual realities being inherently stable in this setup would after all be kind of strange, and this is possibly some what confirmed in how with out active support both Exalted and SMT human physics realities collapse. Which implies they are non-stable states.
Thus leaving one to wonder about the realm the demons live in really...
azoicennead
Overly-Affectionate Zombie Squad
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There Is No Wind is the very first charm listed in the 2e core book and it does that (line-of-sight* range requires an extra 2 motes - total of 5m - and to be Essence 3) and is a prerequisite for Accuracy Without Distance. Accuracy Without Distance guarantees the attack hits. Combine it with stunts, Keen Sight Technique, and Unsurpassed Sight Discipline for ludicrous definitions of "line-of-sight" from your dice pool of 6+ with 2 automatic successes, and your final success count is doubled (so you're looking at a typical roll getting 10+ successes). With full charm use, a Perception 5, Awareness 5 Solar is rocking something like 24 successes on their rolls to see things.
For maximum projectile count, you would want to combine it with Arrow Storm Technique to apply one attack against Essence x 3 targets at once, and enhance the arrows with Lambent Bolt of Annihilation so they explode.
... Also, the combination of There Is No Wind and the sight charms totally allows you to snipe people from a mile away with firedust weapons (which are basically flamethrowers).
* The charm's exact phrasing is "maximum visibility range", which people generally interpret as "line-of-sight".
Something else worth asking is, given all this, how did humanity end up in its current, imprisoned, state?
Demons are made out of Magatsuhi, which is itself made up of plank-scale psuedo-living entities that exist directly in the quantum graph. Those entities seem to be a more-stable alternative to the patterns that produce regular physics, which is why the novo-vacuum expanded to eat the universe. The conceptual properties of the Sea of Amala were presumably built into Magatsuhi, which is why it so naturally produces demons.
Highwind
To Rise From The Ashes
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- Brazil
So, let me see of I got this right.
We have the Sarumpaet-Rules Physics, which were supplanted by the Novo-Vacuum Physics because S-physics were actually a special case of the NV-physics and the latter are more stable. Then we have the Amala Physics that might actually just be NV-physics under a different name. And then we have Motonic Physics, which might be another special case of the NV-Physics. And finally, Kagutsuchi Physics, that might be an approximation of S-physics through Amala Physics.
Also, Humans come from the Pre-Novo-Vacuum universe and both Autochton and Demons got their mitts on them and used them for their own ends. All humans in the multiverse are actually descended from the humans on the Rindler and still have whatever system they used to translate themselves into NV-physics grafted onto their souls, and it can apparently get version updates or at least some tech support from the Collective Unconsciousness.
Did I get the gist of it?
... @Baughn, you're crazy. I have no idea how you kludged together this cosmology and spread the breadcrumbs so well, but you did it and it's amazing. The only way I can think of to make this more complicated is if you somehow managed to shove Ar Tonelico Wave Theory into this mess and oh god that isn't a challenge!
Maybe one of the powerful Demons realized that and devised a way to keep humanity away from their true potential? The whole system with Kagutsuchi and the Reasons hints that this is a possibility, at least from what I know of it.
I'm honestly out of my depth here. At least I can rest assured that Amu is potentially smarter than me and that she can eventually figure out the relevant parts of this stuff IC.
We have the Sarumpaet-Rules Physics, which were supplanted by the Novo-Vacuum Physics because S-physics were actually a special case of the NV-physics and the latter are more stable. Then we have the Amala Physics that might actually just be NV-physics under a different name. And then we have Motonic Physics, which might be another special case of the NV-Physics. And finally, Kagutsuchi Physics, that might be an approximation of S-physics through Amala Physics.
Also, Humans come from the Pre-Novo-Vacuum universe and both Autochton and Demons got their mitts on them and used them for their own ends. All humans in the multiverse are actually descended from the humans on the Rindler and still have whatever system they used to translate themselves into NV-physics grafted onto their souls, and it can apparently get version updates or at least some tech support from the Collective Unconsciousness.
Did I get the gist of it?
... @Baughn, you're crazy. I have no idea how you kludged together this cosmology and spread the breadcrumbs so well, but you did it and it's amazing. The only way I can think of to make this more complicated is if you somehow managed to shove Ar Tonelico Wave Theory into this mess and oh god that isn't a challenge!
Well, that's a very good question because if most of the rest of SMT is still canon, then we have plenty of examples of how absolutely bullshit humans can be when they get to play with the supernatural stuff.
Maybe one of the powerful Demons realized that and devised a way to keep humanity away from their true potential? The whole system with Kagutsuchi and the Reasons hints that this is a possibility, at least from what I know of it.
I'm honestly out of my depth here. At least I can rest assured that Amu is potentially smarter than me and that she can eventually figure out the relevant parts of this stuff IC.
Pretty much! Though exoselves aren't to do with the physics translation, they're more like the nth generation derivative of personal notes, personal assistant programs, automatic translators, adblockers, HUDs, and basically anything else you might use to customize your experience of the world. I think the exoself must be specific to Amu, otherwise Exa would have just considered it a standard part of a human soul.
Hyacinthium
Writing about sad cannibals as we speak.
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So what about the original desu 2 plot 80
How do the system admins play into all this?
How do the system admins play into all this?
My understanding is that Kagutsuchi delegates actually running the world to some administrator. Presumably this just amounts to Kagutsuchi taking instructions within some parameters about what to do.
Worth noting that Compassion does not forbid and does encourage UMI as a solution to intractable differences.
Its right up the magical girl archetype too.
UMIs mean you don't have to kill/hurt them to make them get out of the way/comply. Isn't it better when everyone just gets along?
Baughn's probably already done that.
Though this all does place the opening in to a new perspective and makes one wonder a bit what exactly happened to the Motonic physics area. Obviously it collapsed, but was that internal then... or did a third party show up and wreck it? Because obviously if there are two major developed areas, there being more is pretty likely.
Well hopefully whatever happened didn't or couldn't follow Exa, but it's a potential concern as time passes I guess.
Well hopefully whatever happened didn't or couldn't follow Exa, but it's a potential concern as time passes I guess.
Baughn
Healing-type writer
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- Dublin
You mean, this one?
It's a good video, though of course a little superficial. At present we have about a 75% confidence that the vacuum is metastable, conditioned on our understanding of fundamental physics being correct. (We know it's not. We have no clue what the probability would be for the correct theory.)
One difference worth noting is that a Higgs-mediated vacuum collapse would almost certainly propagate at lightspeed, while the Schild's Ladder collapse propagated at C/2. My use of C/2, here, is almost precisely equivalent to the Game of Life term... but also "Half lightspeed".
And what is Nyarly gonna do about it?
Hehe, pretty much. Not all the details, but in broad strokes, yes.
Worked out pretty well.
Also occasionally called mediators. Everything they do is roughly describable as "Interfacing between a human and their surroundings", but they do a lot of things!
Yeeeeah...
As much as I love Ar Tonelico, it will not be appearing in this thread.
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Incidental/accidental UMI usage.
That's amazing. I forgot about that scene. We need to get a UMI or two and watch Amu fire them off without even realizing it. Exa wouldn't find anything wrong with it, UMIs are basically standard in Creation from Celestials.
Baughn
Healing-type writer
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She doesn't need the charms, she's doing it all the time anyway. If you take the manga seriously...Incidental/accidental UMI usage.
I've been taking it entirely seriously.
*Tilts head* Would Exa codify that ability into a Charm then? Might be worth grabbing another UMI or two anyway. Magical Girl UMIs usually involve needing to beat your opponent first, which is what we're trying to get around altogether with Hotsuin. Or most others we may use it on anyway.
... That Ice Demon girl we picked up never had a chance, did she?
Give us lots of nice presents?
We are kind of planning to kill him I guess by writing up a new form of reality he can't exist in, so he might actually. Not sure we'd like the presents, but...
I was joking, but it does describe our interactions with him so far. He even offered to infuse us with sanity-destroying power!
Well, Exalted UMI aren't really mind control(that's Total Control effects).UMIs mean you don't have to kill/hurt them to make them get out of the way/comply. Isn't it better when everyone just gets along?
Baughn's probably already done that.
They are "You cannot simply ignore this no matter how determined you are to" effects.
It's an essential magical girl tool!
Hyacinthium
Writing about sad cannibals as we speak.
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So it's like... 'you must confront this and not avoid the conversation anymore'? I wish I had that.
Under Exalted mechanics, you could choose to ignore the success of an opponent's argument by spending willpower to negate theirs, and if you ignored them twice you basically tuned them out.
UMI's specific quality is removing the ability to become immune to an argument. Even if it's the third tacky friendship speech of the day, you must take it as if it was the first one you had encountered.
Oh and it costs more to shrug off most of the time. It doesn't improve your argument on it's own though, which means if your speech is fallacious and/or rolls poorly they could entirely tear your argument apart with the UMI doing nothing at all.