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[X] I don't think I can answer that right now, Sensei.
Second Life Begin Again (A Naruto Reincarnation Quest)
- Thread starter Magoose
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Have you considered the possibility that he used genjutsu to fake us using our Byakugan?
AoMythology
AoM, Destroyer of Worlds
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@Blonddude42 Unless Kakashi knows what Byakugan-sight looks like, he probably didn't.
Not only would it be exceptionally difficult to fake all the details, that would require him to take complete control over our entire chakra system. And if he can do that, literally no one would be a threat to him.
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We're not even an academy student. Stuff that wouldn't work on even a genin probably works on us.
He might have been able to use something that lets us fill in missing details. Hell, there might have been glaring errors in what we saw, but we're too inexperienced with our dōjutsu to notice.
While Kakashi is no Itachi, there are examples in Canon of faking an entire fight with genjutsu, although it's admittedly hard to tell where the line is drawn for "needs sharingan bullshit" for characters that have a sharingan.
And with how loose Canon itself is with internal consistence on the rules, I don't believe he would need to take over our entire chakra network. Pretty sure you're using some of the good parts of fanon (which we all do) but we can't guarantee our GM is using those parts of fanon too.
Shit, it's hard to know if our GM is using some parts of Canon until he tells us...
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We all need to be careful to make sure we don't take fanon as Canon. Canon is a mess and needs a lot of patches to make sense, but that doesn't mean our fanon of choice is the one our GM used if there is a patch made.
AoMythology
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Fair enough.
I don't believe there are any instances of that involving a someone with Doujutsu. You can hack all the senses with a Genjutsu, but without taking a hold of the chakra system in totality, when we try to activate our Byakugan it would activate and break through it.
AoMythology
AoM, Destroyer of Worlds
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This might be a headcanon, but I'm pretty sure that simply having a doujutsu active doesn't actually break a genjutsu - it simply lets one recognize a genjutsu immediately because 'normal people's eyesight' and 'Byakugan eyesight' or 'Sharingan eyesight' are too different for said genjutsu to affect the target the way it's meant to. Though the Sharingan might have such an automatic defense - it tends to have various automatic functions inborn, that the Hyuuga need to train in to have.
On the other hand, since a Hyuuga can probably see the inside of their body, even auditory or olfactory genjutsu would have a hard time going undetected, unlike Itachi's (and Pain's) susceptibility.
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Rolen von Keng
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-[JK]I love democracy.
-[JK] I dislike short people on the account of me being short, and I also hate sand, its course, rough and irritating. And it gets everywhere.
-[JK] My dream is to rule the galaxy. I am the Senate.
AoMythology
AoM, Destroyer of Worlds
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@Rolen von Keng : it's December 25th, not April 1st. (Edit: Or May 4th.) It's not the appropriate day for such a vote. 
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You might be right in it doesn't automatically break it, I did acknowledge that possibility. But it WOULD automatically see through it. Visual Genjutsu would just fail, for the Byakugan would display the true world. The sounds and what not would still be there, but we'd see the real world.
In addition to seeing THROUGH Genjutsu, there's also teh factor you mentioned. We'd be able to see the Genjutsu itself. The Byakugan has a MUCH higher fidelity of chakra sensativity than the Sharingan, they see the inherent chakra make-up of jutsu.
To be able to over-ride all these details, you'd have to take over a root part of our body, such that there literally is no defense. After all, if you are can step in and prevent teh application of our Doujutsu, you could prevent ANY use of chakra. And if you can prevent all chakra use, then it doesn't matter who that person is, there is nothing they can do.
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Didn't Itachi make Sasuke think they had an entire fight with a genjutsu? The only other examples I know of are definitely sharingan hax, so I might be mixing some fanon in to answer something where there is no canon answer.
Assuming we actually used our doujutsu and the genjutsu didn't just make us think we did. While we may be a genius, we aren't even an academy student. I can see Kakashi getting away with some really lazy and flawed tricks just because we're such an easy target.
Hell, there were parts where it came across like we were playing along with the genjutsu. The Byakugan doesn't let you recognize chakra networks on it's own*, so we probably couldn't have found Kakashi using it.
...what was the original argument? I've kinda lost track since I jumped in during the middle of things.
*please point me to a canon reference if it does as a feature, rather than being something that would need training and familiarity
The only case I know of is during the massacre, before Sasuke had his eyes. And he then unlocked his eyes and broke out of it.
When we'd try to use our doujutsu, we'd manipulate our chakra in a way that'd activate it. The only way for the genjutsu to stop that is to stop us from using our chakra, which is what I was saying. And if he can do that, he could shut down everyone.
There's a lot of tricks he could use, but visual genjutsu is the thing we are explicitly best set to beat.
We might not be able to recognize chakra networks, but the Byakugan can see everything, not just chakra. We'd see his hair, his face, his gall bladder.
My original thing was asking why we didn't even use it. Its a technique almost tailored made to find stuff but when we lost sight of Kakashi we didn't even try. Our thoughts were '...Shit. Oh look, a cat!'. Then Magoose said stuff about genjutsu and I said they wouldn't work.
Edit: My main points are
1) We should have atleast tried even if it didn't work
2) There are A LOT of things Kakashi can do, Genjutsu isn't one
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It also happened in their fight in Shippuden. Though I don't remember if Sasuke broke out of it or did Itachi disspell it himself.
Looking it up, it was before their fight, and the way Sasuke talks after dispelling it makes it sound like he knew it was there and was just playing along.
Rolen von Keng
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@Rolen von Keng : it's December 25th, not April 1st. (Edit: Or May 4th.) It's not the appropriate day for such a vote.
I know, but it was at the only time a current vote won't affect the quest thaaat much... Maybe.
AoMythology
AoM, Destroyer of Worlds
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Yeah, it's the non-answer that wins, after all.
Sena Kumo
The Tenth Wandering Cloud
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Sucks for the hangover, but did you at least won something?
Magoose
SV's Questing Fanatic
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lots of money. Bragging rights for the year, and a compliment from my boss, my former boss, and all my friends, when I smirked at them with a Three of a kind.
Magoose
SV's Questing Fanatic
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- He
Age: 16
Rank: Clan Head of the Hatake Clan, Jounin, ANBU Captain (Retired), Master of Shiro Hyuga
Chakra: Jounin
Reserves: Jounin
Bingo Book Bounty: 10,000,000 Ryo (Alive), 5,00,000 (Dead)
Bingo Book Designation: Extremely Dangerous. (Kakashi of the Sharingan, White Fang Reborn)
Traits:
Jounin: This character is the rank of Jounin, the Elite ninja of the hidden village, a highly experienced and highly skilled shinobi who serves as military captains and team leader on missions. (This character can lead missions from D to S Rank Assignments. May also take on students if they wish or are ordered too.)
Kekkei Genkai Implant: Sharingan (3 tome): The Legendary Dōjutsu of the Uchiha clan. When a wielder of this kekkei genkai experiences a powerful emotional condition with regards to a person precious to them, their brain releases a special form of chakra that affects the optic nerves. This allows them to copy jutsu, have perfect memory when the eyes are activated, among many other skills. Due to the Implant Status, and non Uchiha Chakra coils, it is a strain on this person's body. (Can copy Jutsu, have a perfect memory, can copy movements, potential. Creates a strain on your body if used too long. It is connected to the other.)
The Final Promise (Obito): You promised your best friend you would protect your Teammate Rin, no matter what happened. You Failed. (A Guilty conscious weighs heavily on this man's mind. Believing he is worthless for not keeping the promise his dying friend made.)
Broken: This Man has lost nearly everything in his life, and if he loses them… he has nothing to live for. (Only a few people's presence keep this man alive. If they were to die, he would kill himself in despair)
Strategist: You are a student of strategy, of outwitting your opponents through clever tactics, the usage of your surroundings, and the support from your teammates. (Your plans, if well thought out and executed, can grant you a +5 to a +50 combat roll bonus and make enemy bonuses from traits and strategy negated. If it fails, however, you get a -20 to combat rolls.)
Patient: Calm, Collected and Able to stand being around people that infuriate you, you are a patient person. (+10 to all rolls)
Brave: You show no fear, not even in the face of death. You will face it all with a smile. (+10 to combat rolls.)
Genius: One of the smartest of your generation, able to master anything you set your mind to. (+10 to Training Rolls. There is a chance you will master a skill or Jutsu on the first try)
Ninja Skills(Ranking):
Ninjutsu:5
Taijutsu:4
Genjutsu:4
Intelligence: 4.5
Strength: 3.5
Speed:4
Stamina:3
Hand Seals:5
Total: 33
Taijutsu Skills Known:
Unknown (You don't have Clearance)
Jutsu's Known:
Henge: An E rank jutsu that changes the physical appearance by covering it with a thin layer of chakra and can become anything that the user thinks of, from weapons to trees, to animals. How accurate it is, depends on the user's memories, the chakra reserves of the user and the control of their chakra.
Bushin: An E rank Jutsu that creates an intangible copy of one's own body, without any substance.
Kokoni Arazu no Jutsu (Demonic Illusion: False surroundings technique): This jutsu changes the appearance of an object.
Katon: Gokakyu no Jutsu (Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique): Utilising a high amount of chakra, the user creates a large ball of flame.
Kage Bushin (Shadow Clone Jutsu): This jutsu allows the user to create one or more copies of themselves, which can interact with the world around them unless struck hard enough.(Your clones can interact with the world around them, when dispelled, memories will transfer you)
Substitution: An E Rank Jutsu: With this technique, users replace their own body with some other object, generally with a block of wood, the moment an attack lands.
Unknown: Clearance not given.
A New World 1: Apprenticeship
Magoose
SV's Questing Fanatic
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A New World 1: Apprenticeship
Kakashi-Sensei waited for you to answer. He sat with a very still glance directed at you, with a curious smile on his face. He wanted you to say something.
It was unfortunate that you had to disappoint him. "I don't think I can answer that question Sensei." You stated.
Kakashi-Sensei than asked. "Why… most kids have likes or dislikes… or a dream, even if it's a silly one?"
"Because I do not know myself well enough to think of any of those things." You replied, giving a warm smile. "So I'm not going to think about it until I am ready."
Kakashi-Sensei frowned, for a moment you thought he was going to say something. But he said nothing, his voice letting out a defeated sigh. But he perked up, and said something else, changing the subject. "Alright then. We're going to be discussing your… little run to Training ground Seven, starting with you not using the Byakugan."
He then grilled you for the next half hour, saying the entire point of the run was for you to use the Byakugan to track him and find him at the training ground.
It was quite humiliating.
But he was very impressed that, even without the Byakugan, you found the training ground.
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Training was quite difficult… but now, things were going slowly. Kakashi-Sensei wanted to take things slow, methodically. Easing you into a choice.
What do you do:
(Choose Four)
[]A Bridge Too Far: Kakashi-Sensei wants to go somewhere. He needs your help in finding what he's looking for… or rather, to make sure people aren't looking for it.
[]The Green Beast: Kakashi-Sensei wants to introduce you to someone. A man named Might Gai.
[]Gear of a Warrior: Kakashi-Sensei wants to buy you some tools of the Trade. And you get to choose what they are.
[]A Friend's Help: Itachi needs your help. He thinks his mother is hiding something from him and wants to find out what it is.
[]Train Chakra Control: With your Chakra now unlocked, your mother wants you to have as much control as you can have for a growing boy.
[]Train Taijutsu: Your father wants to start training you in the Gentle Fist. something about needing to catch you up. Kakashi-Sensei also wants to begin teaching you the Academy style, get you a leg up on the other students who might be starting.
[]Train Jutsu: The Academy three Jutsu, the Henge, the Bushin, and the substitution technique are the backbone of all ninja. You must master them before learning anything else.
[]Spend time with your Mother: Your mother has something to tell you. A very important thing.
[]Spend Time with Your Father: Your father needs help. He's trying to get some kind of gift for your mother.
[]Wander the Village: You want to wander the village. You're old enough to find your way home after all.
Kakashi-Sensei waited for you to answer. He sat with a very still glance directed at you, with a curious smile on his face. He wanted you to say something.
It was unfortunate that you had to disappoint him. "I don't think I can answer that question Sensei." You stated.
Kakashi-Sensei than asked. "Why… most kids have likes or dislikes… or a dream, even if it's a silly one?"
"Because I do not know myself well enough to think of any of those things." You replied, giving a warm smile. "So I'm not going to think about it until I am ready."
Kakashi-Sensei frowned, for a moment you thought he was going to say something. But he said nothing, his voice letting out a defeated sigh. But he perked up, and said something else, changing the subject. "Alright then. We're going to be discussing your… little run to Training ground Seven, starting with you not using the Byakugan."
He then grilled you for the next half hour, saying the entire point of the run was for you to use the Byakugan to track him and find him at the training ground.
It was quite humiliating.
But he was very impressed that, even without the Byakugan, you found the training ground.
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Training was quite difficult… but now, things were going slowly. Kakashi-Sensei wanted to take things slow, methodically. Easing you into a choice.
What do you do:
(Choose Four)
[]A Bridge Too Far: Kakashi-Sensei wants to go somewhere. He needs your help in finding what he's looking for… or rather, to make sure people aren't looking for it.
[]The Green Beast: Kakashi-Sensei wants to introduce you to someone. A man named Might Gai.
[]Gear of a Warrior: Kakashi-Sensei wants to buy you some tools of the Trade. And you get to choose what they are.
[]A Friend's Help: Itachi needs your help. He thinks his mother is hiding something from him and wants to find out what it is.
[]Train Chakra Control: With your Chakra now unlocked, your mother wants you to have as much control as you can have for a growing boy.
[]Train Taijutsu: Your father wants to start training you in the Gentle Fist. something about needing to catch you up. Kakashi-Sensei also wants to begin teaching you the Academy style, get you a leg up on the other students who might be starting.
[]Train Jutsu: The Academy three Jutsu, the Henge, the Bushin, and the substitution technique are the backbone of all ninja. You must master them before learning anything else.
[]Spend time with your Mother: Your mother has something to tell you. A very important thing.
[]Spend Time with Your Father: Your father needs help. He's trying to get some kind of gift for your mother.
[]Wander the Village: You want to wander the village. You're old enough to find your way home after all.
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- France
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- He/Him
[]Train Chakra Control: With your Chakra now unlocked, your mother wants you to have as much control as you can have for a growing boy.
[]Train Taijutsu: Your father wants to start training you in the Gentle Fist. something about needing to catch you up. Kakashi-Sensei also wants to begin teaching you the Academy style, get you a leg up on the other students who might be starting.
[]Train Jutsu: The Academy three Jutsu, the Henge, the Bushin, and the substitution technique are the backbone of all ninja. You must master them before learning anything else.
[]Spend Time with Your Father: Your father needs help. He's trying to get some kind of gift for your mother.
It's time we train, and by spending time with our father we will automatically learn of our Mother's pregnancy because his buying of a gift seems to me to be because of that.
[]Train Taijutsu: Your father wants to start training you in the Gentle Fist. something about needing to catch you up. Kakashi-Sensei also wants to begin teaching you the Academy style, get you a leg up on the other students who might be starting.
[]Train Jutsu: The Academy three Jutsu, the Henge, the Bushin, and the substitution technique are the backbone of all ninja. You must master them before learning anything else.
[]Spend Time with Your Father: Your father needs help. He's trying to get some kind of gift for your mother.
It's time we train, and by spending time with our father we will automatically learn of our Mother's pregnancy because his buying of a gift seems to me to be because of that.
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