Also attempted kiling Hiruzen and putting a cursed seal mark on a genin of Konoha and "kidnapping" him.
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The invasion and aid wasn't till years later. I meant his "betrayal" with experimenting on people. As for kidnapping, that doesn't seem like a crime when done on orders.
What's more, apparently the Root is a sanctioned organization right up till the Uchiha Massacre. Everything Orochimaru did up till that point WAS sanctioned and approved (by Danzo). So either Orochimaru didn't flee till then, or he fled because he had a feeling that the 3rd wouldnt accept it even if he blamed Danzo.
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Still, he can be labeled as an accomplice of Danzo's crimes.
Even if he blamed Danzo
Ninjas and Ninja Culture seem VERY accepting of "I was just doing my job". I mean, all of Roots other operatives got a free pass for their various attrocities. Its all Danzos fault.
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Still... He might get in trouble.
Chances are they are gonna blame both Danzo and Orochimaru, some of them are probably just as bad as them but it would be easy to pin the blame on those guys and everyone understand why you went through with it if you were just "following orders".
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Perhaps. My main quibble was calling it betrayal. He was doing what was, technically, completely sanctioned acts in Konohas favor. And it seems like, even many years in the future, even when he's mid-invasion of Konoha, he still has some loyalty too place he hadn't managed to quash yet. Rewind the clock a good dozen years before the invasion and all his time alone and branded a traitor, he might be a true patriot .
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I'm going to say this.
The Nuremberg Defense is not going to cut it. This may be a fictional world, but there are lines that should not be crossed. Orochimaru crossed them, and even if he was under orders, he had a duty to not do such insane things to his own village citizens.
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...How is that something our mother would know? And while we know as players that Danzo is bad, no one else should really suspect Danzo of anything at this point. The worst he should be thought of is as the leader of the warhawks and maybe an unpleasant person with dated views.
I guess most of Root is going to get the ax then. Lots of people who did a lot of dreadfully awfully terrible things on orders.
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Well, she does have a pair of eyes that can see through anything for a few miles.
And maybe she does not know all the details. Maybe she only worked at the periphery, moving bodies or prisoners into his care, and never seeing them again and finds Orochimaru very disturbing, and can only make guesses as to what he is really doing.
Like most people in the village who do not have clearence do.
It depends on if the seals on their tongue absolve them of their crimes, considering that it was impossible to even think about speaking or writing about their missions or Danzo himself. With no way to communicate, or disobey their orders, they were effectively slaves to Danzo, and they need to be deprogrammed and folded back into the village itself.
If that is the case: They will be put under probation and have their rights heavily restricted until they are deprogramed
If not: i don't think all of them will get the ax, but some of them certainly would.
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I mean Leaf leadership itself is pretty fucked up in that they had no problems segregating the uchiha and then genociding them, and thats just one thing.
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Minato wasn't that bad... He was trying to do some healing... then he died. And Hiruzen only had Danzo to listen to.
You know, they needed some new blood in the hat to avoid all the fuckups.
but Hiruzen just couldn't give it up.
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How exactly are you gonna portray Hiruzen? Nice old man, evil dictator, inbetween?
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Someone who is old, and wants to no longer be in charge, but he has a stubborn belief that only he can be the man who can steer the Ship that is Konoha. He is a kind, and ruthless in equal measure, but age has given him wisdom that he did not have in youth.
And he hates himself for not having that wisdom when he was a young man.
Belives only four people can take up the hat and allow him to live in peace. One is a bit on the evil side and to goody with Danzo to reasonably trust not to start another war, the second doesn't want it because he's wandering the earth writing porn, the third is a violent drunk who lost everything... and the fourth is the youngest among them who finally took the hat.
Orochimaru almost certainly had that seal as well, so if they get the "pass" so would he.
His main "crime" is experimenting on villagers (given all the stuff we know they are fine with, they are almost certainly fine with the experiments, the main problem being the test subjects), and I have doubts he sourced them himself so you'd have the agents who did that, and you'd also have the agents who helped in the lab (I doubt he personally cleaned all the test tubes and what not), and you got the people who did the indoctrination (Danzo can't personally do it for everyone). Lots of people who did stuff like Orochimaru.
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You are correct... But he'd still be sent on probation for his actions and his rep will both be scarier, and... tarnished in the village.
All the stuff they are fine with? Tell me one thing worse then what Orochimaru did that the village was fine with that wasn't ROOT?
I never disagreed with punishment. Probation and the like seems perfectly acceptable. Perhaps make him take a course on ethics. Just saying labling a traitor and driving him out of the village on threat of death seems a bit much.
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Still waiting for the dice to screw us over, all these hundos in just a few posts is unnatural. Even our 'bad' rolls so far, besides our arms being crippled in the beginning anyway, have been more mediocre than actual failure.
Still waiting for the dice to screw us over, all these hundos in just a few posts is unnatural. Even our 'bad' rolls so far, besides our arms being crippled in the beginning anyway, have been more mediocre than actual failure.
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So a pseudo-Dumbledor in a way?
Not exactly new but still entertaining. Also we seem to be trying to compare modern Real World morals and ethics with a fictional one, it doesn't work that way, especially in Naruto...things that would be considered atrocious for us would for them be just another Tuesday imo.
Trying to come up with a realistic interpretation as to how a certain group if people in the fictional world would or should react is never really going to be accurate considering reader and even writer bias.
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...More Bismark then Dumbledore.
I will try, but that may be difficult since there are quite a few things i find... utterly disgusting and disturbing.
I hope so too. That's going to be fun.