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Second Life Begin Again (A Naruto Reincarnation Quest)

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[X] Itachi Uchiha's 4th Birthday Party: The Uchiha, in a rare display of openness and… civility, have invited your family to the heirs birthday party. The Clan itself cannot send any other members besides your family, and you. An insult to the clan, and an honor to you.
 
Magoose said:
Don't know. Don't care. I'm just going to enjoy all of it.

Also I might allow a rumor mill to show up... or see what Minato is doing.

Edit: Dammit, there are so few votes compared to the opening post.
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Do it, do it. Unlimited powah!

As for the decrease on the votes... it happens. Something generates massive interest, then some people drift away after some time, leaving the core voters around. Also, Lurkers are not a myth.
 
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[X] Itachi Uchiha's 4th Birthday Party: The Uchiha, in a rare display of openness and… civility, have invited your family to the heirs birthday party. The Clan itself cannot send any other members besides your family, and you. An insult to the clan, and an honor to you.
 
Marlin said:
Do it, do it. Unlimited powah!

As for the decrease on the votes... it happens. Something generates massive interest, then some people drift away after some time, leaving the core voters around.
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If I do a rumor thats when everything goes off the rails.

Are you sure you all want everything to go off the rails without your imput?

Or rather actions that directly affect you?
 
Magoose said:
If I do a rumor thats when everything goes off the rails.

Are you sure you all want everything to go off the rails without your imput?

Or rather actions that directly affect you?
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*Flashback Montage*

Okay, maybe not, if you feel the need to put up a warning for what you might do, when our canon setting was not set on crazy mono focus of the PC.

Minato won't get screen time :(. That saddens me, because now I don't get to see Magoose's take on Minato.
 
Marlin said:
*Flashback Montage*

Okay, maybe not, if you feel the need to put up a warning for what you might do, when our canon setting was not set on crazy mono focus of the PC.
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I mean... Last time canon got fucked was because of Madara kidnapping us, and everything changed because of that single event...

Maybe after the Kyubi rampages through Konoha.
 
[X] Itachi Uchiha's 4th Birthday Party: The Uchiha, in a rare display of openness and… civility, have invited your family to the heirs birthday party. The Clan itself cannot send any other members besides your family, and you. An insult to the clan, and an honor to you.
 
Magoose said:
If I do a rumor thats when everything goes off the rails.

Are you sure you all want everything to go off the rails without your imput?

Or rather actions that directly affect you?
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... Us seeing shit shouldn't have any effect. The world should change as a result of our actions, not... just because. I understand some butterflies, but you are making it sound like that this would be not that.
 
Trondason said:
I understand some butterflies, but you are making it sound like that this would be not that.
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But it's not just your actions that affect the world. It's other people, leaders, mercenaries, adventurers, traders, etc.

Your birth could lead to thousands of entirely different scenario's that now shape the world into something different. Similar, but different.
 
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[X] Itachi Uchiha's 4th Birthday Party: The Uchiha, in a rare display of openness and… civility, have invited your family to the heirs birthday party. The Clan itself cannot send any other members besides your family, and you. An insult to the clan, and an honor to you.

We gonna get swole boyz! In time we will grow as a ninja, and I hope that we can somehow specialize in Taijutsu! Training your body till it breaks multiple times is somewhat considered safe if Rock Lee and Gai does it!
 
Magoose said:
But it's not just your actions that affect the world. It's other people, leaders, mercenaries, adventurers, traders, etc.

Your birth could lead to thousands of entirely different scenario's that now shape the world into something different. Similar, but different.
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What you are describing, are butterflies. But thing is, butterflies always start small. Take this birthday party for example. It didn't happen in canon, resulting in the Uchiha and Main Hyuuga family to be more at odds, which can lead to some fighting, which can cause the Hyuuga to capitalize on the Uchiha Massacre, and so on. Huge things that we did nothing but EXIST to cause, but we were the primary, and original, point of divergence.


Plus, again, if you are going to change things, just do it. Us seeing the changes, via Rumor Mill or what have you, should not CAUSE teh changes. That almost inherently means the changes are not organic, but shit you just randomly threw in.

Edit : I mean, I understand from a writing perspective that literally everything that happens is just shit that you ranodmly threw in. But internal consistency, that the way things are sensibly lead to future events, is a very important thing to try to maintain with stories. Stuff shouldn't just suddenly run off the tracks, unless events in the story are already set up to do that. Madara shouldn't come out of hiding to kidnap us unless we do something to EARN that attention, for example. He's not exactly in the habit of kidnapping toddlers. that's danzo's thing
 
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Trondason said:
Plus, again, if you are going to change things, just do it. Us seeing the changes, via Rumor Mill or what have you, should not CAUSE teh changes. That almost inherently means the changes are not organic, but shit you just randomly threw in.
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But the way I do Rumor mills is people reacting to events, and or acting on different things due to a change that occured due to the butterfly effect.

Take this example from the last quest:

Mist:1D100 => 92

They pulled back their ninja… it also seems that they've struck gold… protecting merchant ships, other seafaring vessels and also turning themselves into pirates. Among other things.

And their Mizukage has banned the academy graduation tradition, to train them in the ways of seafaring, because they have ships and they need crews. Because why waste good ninja when they can be used as sailors if they fail.
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This event occurred because the protagonist and her crew were kidnapped by Madara and escaped before they reached Madara.

I like to write rumor mills similarly, with a single event as a catalyst, and everyone rolling and reacting to it.

That is how I do things. But without an event to serve as a catalyst, I don't think I can do it well enough without it looking like I'm pulling stuff out of my ass. I like starting with a consistent starting point and allowing things to branch out from there.
 
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Magoose said:
But the way I do Rumor mills is people reacting to events, and or acting on different things due to a change that occured due to the butterfly effect.

Take this example from the last quest:

Mist:1D100 => 92

They pulled back their ninja… it also seems that they've struck gold… protecting merchant ships, other seafaring vessels and also turning themselves into pirates. Among other things.

And their Mizukage has banned the academy graduation tradition, to train them in the ways of seafaring, because they have ships and they need crews. Because why waste good ninja when they can be used as sailors if they fail.
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This event occurred because the protagonist and her crew were kidnapped by Madara and escaped before they reached Madara.

I like to write rumor mills similarly, with a single event as a catalyst, and everyone rolling and reacting to it.

That is how I do things. But without an event to serve as a catalyst, I don't think I can do it well enough without it looking like I'm pulling stuff out of my ass.
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There, I'd suggest, barring extreme circumstances, to require VERY high/low rolls to generate extreme responses. Because, if every roll above 90 or below 10 generated a big response, then atleast one of the 5 villages will have a big response to every single action on average.

If we went and stole someones Jinchurki, then the DC for response would be raised/lowered a good bit, but if we just flip Madara the bird and somehow survive that shouldn't get nearly as much of a response.
 
Trondason said:
There, I'd suggest, barring extreme circumstances, to require VERY high/low rolls to generate extreme responses. Because, if every roll above 90 or below 10 generated a big response, then atleast one of the 5 villages will have a big response to every single action on average.

If we went and stole someones Jinchurki, then the DC for response would be raised/lowered a good bit, but if we just flip Madara the bird and somehow survive that shouldn't get nearly as much of a response.
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We'll see, because the Kyubi thing will invoke the first rumor mill.

And no, we will not randomly switch POV's to play as Minato.
 
Trondason said:
There, I'd suggest, barring extreme circumstances, to require VERY high/low rolls to generate extreme responses. Because, if every roll above 90 or below 10 generated a big response, then atleast one of the 5 villages will have a big response to every single action on average.

If we went and stole someones Jinchurki, then the DC for response would be raised/lowered a good bit, but if we just flip Madara the bird and somehow survive that shouldn't get nearly as much of a response.
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That's just it though. Magoose would feel compelled to write an event that reflects that 90+ roll.

Alright let's try and deal with this...

Naruto Robot Reincarnation (Rumor Mill)

Konoha - 90
Kiri - 95
Suna - 76
Iwa - 47
Kumo - 88

Assorted extra villages on the continent - 40, 60, 34, 89, 56
The other continents/assorted extras - 77, 79, 74, 70, 45, 20, 1, 68, 100, 83, 75
The unique people - 30, 70, 46, 29, 94, 92, 85, 32

How would you write a rumor mill for these rolls?

According to these rolls some good things happen in Konoha, Kiri, Kumo, and Suna. Iwa is average. However If I'm reading Magoose's intent right, Magoose would throw a global event at the rumor mill because of these rolls instead of something organic and unrelated to the protagonist, the QM would have the event directly affect the protagonist.

The solution I know one QM that runs ck2 style used for this problem was treating the other factions as actual players in the story with their own action lists (that QM would make npcs that would hold the potential to be responsible for background actions that could avalanche into a massive problem), which helped that QM curb down some moments that come down in a way that can surprise their players. Here, Magoose has plans that they use dice to interpret.
 
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Marlin said:
That's just it though. Magoose would feel compelled to write an event that reflects that 90+ roll.

Alright let's try and deal with this...

Naruto Robot Reincarnation (Rumor Mill)

Konoha - 90
Kiri - 95
Suna - 76
Iwa - 47
Kumo - 88

Assorted extra villages on the continent - 40, 60, 34, 89, 56
The other continents/assorted extras - 77, 79, 74, 70, 45, 20, 1, 68, 100, 83, 75
The unique people - 30, 70, 46, 29, 94, 92, 85, 32

How would you write a rumor mill for these rolls?

According to these rolls some good things happen in Konoha, Kiri, Kumo, and Suna. Iwa is average. However If I'm reading Magoose's intent right, Magoose would throw a global event at the rumor mill because of these rolls instead of something organic and unrelated to the protagonist, the QM would have the event directly affect the protagonist.

The solution I know one QM that runs ck2 style used for this problem was treating the other factions as actual players in the story with their own action lists, which helped them curb down some moments that come down in a way that can surprise their players. Here, Magoose has plans that they use dice to interpret.
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When you are rolling a few dozen dice, rolls within 10, heck rolls within 5, of a Nat 100/1 are gonna happen rather often.

If I were the DM, and this was just a random rumor mill with no big events having happened ot base it off of, I'd only take the 1 and 100 as big events, and take everything else as general bidings. Things are going good for Konoha and Kiri, prosperity is up, maybe some clan head has announced their wife is pregnant and there's celebration throughout the town.
 
Marlin said:
If I'm reading Magoose's intent right, Magoose would throw a global event at the rumor mill because of these rolls instead of something organic and unrelated to the protagonist, the QM would have the event directly affect the protagonist.
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Not entirely correct. I just would rather use a single event first, as a catalyst to create all-new, organic events that happen because of it. I don't give a damn if we affect the world in any way, in fact, I don't want to unless you do something that warrants the world to take notice.

So no, an event occurs, like say the Kyuubi incident.

Marlin said:
Konoha - 90
Kiri - 95
Suna - 76
Iwa - 47
Kumo - 88

Assorted extra villages on the continent - 40, 60, 34, 89, 56
The other continents/assorted extras - 77, 79, 74, 70, 45, 20, 1, 68, 100, 83, 75
The unique people - 30, 70, 46, 29, 94, 92, 85, 32
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Those rolls would indicate the entirety of the reactions, the information, or the knowladge that those villages represent.

Konoha rolls a 90: They clearly have cleaned up everything and put on the front of the strength, even in a disaster, trying to fool the other nations, even though they... say lost Minato or Sarutobi. They might have lost a few heavy hitters, or were wounded, but they are still very strong. Or at least appear to be.

Kiri 95: They see something is wrong with Konoha... barely. Not enough to completely blackmail Konoha into a worse negotiating position, but they do have a card to play. They also have a whole host of new blood entering the ninja corps that seem promising, things like that.

Suna-76 Garra becomes the new Jinchuuriki, nothing really happens.

Iwa- Say...Onoki, after the Thrid war, has begun to lose his grip on power slightly and decides it would best to prepare a successor.

Kumo- They are preparing to negotiations to Konoha, and are experiencing other assorted economic prosperity in peacetime.

Things like that.
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However. I can, and will create organic storylines and world shifting, but only after a certain point, both to maintain a bit of canon in my back pocket, and to allow certain players in the world to be born, to die, or to plan.
 
Magoose said:
Not entirely correct. I just would rather use a single event first, as a catalyst to create all-new, organic events that happen because of it. I don't give a damn if we affect the world in any way, in fact, I don't want to unless you do something that warrants the world to take notice.

So no, an event occurs, like say the Kyuubi incident.


Those rolls would indicate the entirety of the reactions, the information, or the knowladge that those villages represent.

Konoha rolls a 90: They clearly have cleaned up everything and put on the front of the strength, even in a disaster, trying to fool the other nations, even though they... say lost Minato or Sarutobi. They might have lost a few heavy hitters, or were wounded, but they are still very strong. Or at least appear to be.

Kiri 95: They see something is wrong with Konoha... barely. Not enough to completely blackmail Konoha into a worse negotiating position, but they do have a card to play. They also have a whole host of new blood entering the ninja corps that seem promising, things like that.

Suna-76 Garra becomes the new Jinchuuriki, nothing really happens.

Iwa- Say...Onoki, after the Thrid war, has begun to lose his grip on power slightly and decides it would best to prepare a successor.

Kumo- They are preparing to negotiations to Konoha, and are experiencing other assorted economic prosperity in peacetime.

Things like that.
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However. I can, and will create organic storylines and world shifting, but only after a certain point, both to maintain a bit of canon in my back pocket, and to allow certain players in the world to be born, to die, or to plan.
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If that's the case, why did you say things would go flying off the rails if we chose to get the rumormill? Did you do some test rolls, and we got an absurd number of 100s or 1s?
 
Trondason said:
If that's the case, why did you say things would go flying off the rails if we chose to get the rumormill? Did you do some test rolls, and we got an absurd number of 100s or 1s?
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I would be lying if I said no.

Yes, the rolls were bullshit, enough that things in this world would not even be recognizable.
 
Magoose said:
I would be lying if I said no.

Yes, the rolls were bullshit, enough that things in this world would not even be recognizable.
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Can we have a vote for this choice thingy? Activate rumor mill of doom, or not?

Cause I'm on the fence about this, I think I don't want to see canon, the chance to watch the world burn is... tempting. But the original first vote had people choose to stand at canon... for a time.
 
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Magoose said:
I would be lying if I said no.

Yes, the rolls were bullshit, enough that things in this world would not even be recognizable.
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Well, if those are the rolls, those ARE the rolls. Luck be like that some times.

If we gotta make a blind choice, I'd say go with it. Just try to make a clear connecting thread from how our birth into the world caused whatever to happen.

If it doesn't HAVE To be blind, you could figure out what would happen, tell us, and let us decide if we think such a big branch would make a more interesting story or not. Because while there is some merit to sticking to how the dice fall, there is also merit to... fudging, results so that a story isn't ruined by the whim of the dice.
 
Trust me, once I open the flood gates that is the rumor mill and canon-shattering events post Kyuubi onto the political landscape, they ain't shutting for no one.
 
Magoose said:
Trust me, once I open the flood gates that is the rumor mill and canon-shattering events post Kyuubi onto the political landscape, they ain't shutting for no one.
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Konoha appears weak enough that the other villages are looking at successfully eating the resources of Konoha up.

That is about the only thing that significantly alters canon organically. That or the Elemental nations noticing the secret puppet master manipulating things.
 
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Marlin said:
Konoha appears weak enough that the other villages are looking at successfully eating the resources of Konoha up.

That is about the only thing that significantly alters canon organically.
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... You say that, and then you realize... no, it can get both better and worse.

I won't tell you how... but they can. Trust me, with the number of rolls and special people that can wind up in the mix... It can.

Especially since the Jinchuuriki outside of Garra, Naruto and Fu, get their own rolls.
 
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