Then we either fight them the normal way....or the more sinister way. Stack the deck in our favor. Make it to the point that WE are preferable to constant struggle....ESPECIALLY in other regions. If we come into another territory run by a pretty bad King...and take over...we'll have PLENTY of good PR...

The setting of Condemned is pretty much all that if you believe. Serial Killer X is a total monster.
 
The setting of Condemned is pretty much all that if you believe. Serial Killer X is a total monster.
That region....I checked the SEGA Villains Victorious docs....and apparently, even demonic Kings find that place to be a hell-hole....It's also so dangerous, that Badnik production will NEED to be upped, since there are sound devices that can REALLY screw with organic minds...

Metal Sonic probably will have to be the one since he can't be mind controlled or driven into insanity by the sound waves. So I hope.
Yes. And maybe we can unlock and deploy our Egg Gunner line (from the 2006 SONIC THE HEDGEHOG game). Yes, THAT part of the timeline was retconned....but we SHOULD still have the designs on file somewhere, right?
 
The setting of Condemned is pretty much all that if you believe. Serial Killer X is a total monster.
I wonder how that faction is going to work. From what I remember, other than the people on top most of the enemies were just a bunch of homeless people and animals who were driven crazy by a sonic weapon that made it impossible to think. It's kind of hard to control people in an organized fashion when they are essentially rabid animals.
 
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Truth of the matter is the alliance is temporary if we go for it we would still need to destroy them to unlock our second actions it's just a matter of when the time of niceties is over or when we have completely flip some of our heroes opinions on the restoration.

We need them for the short run and would it be nice to possibly not destroy them and keep the alliance going ? Yes that's the best scenario for everyone but… it's a villains, victorious world… not a hero, rising world


Like once, we get our empire back it's just a matter of how we destroy them or permanently put them down. Do we flip key members of the group and take over or do we use power?

The subtle way or the strong way… we already know Bell won't have any opinion decrease if we go after gun due to her seeing the space arc massacre video..


It's just… do you think the people in the restoration would ever forgive us? Do you think they would forget and forgive for the atrocities that each iteration of us have caused them? The pain, the suffering, the countless loss of loved ones… no, they would never forgive us.. They would keep a knife behind their back as we would as us because they know the moment the big threats are gone…. They're next.
 
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From what I remember, other than the people on top most of the enemies were just a bunch of homeless people and animals who were driven crazy by a sonic weapon that made it impossible to think. It's kind of hard to control people who are essentially rabid animals.
Maybe the sound just effects any living being that gets close to the area making them part of the growing madness, so anyone King that doesn't have robots would probably lose their army to the sound causing the Madness.

since there are sound devices that can REALLY screw with organic minds...
And definitely not Belle, she doesn't deserve to see the horrors from there.

Yes. And maybe we can unlock and deploy our Egg Gunner line (from the 2006 SONIC THE HEDGEHOG game). Yes, THAT part of the timeline was retconned....but we SHOULD still have the designs on file somewhere, right?
Egg Gunners, Fighters Pawns and perhaps SWAT-Bots to help bring order.
 
Oh yeah, no we're sending metal to that crazy place because I don't think any of our organic units would take being in the condemned city that pretty well… I'm not risking that
 
It's just… do you think the people in the restoration would ever forgive us? Do you think they would forget and forgive for the atrocities that each iteration of us have caused them? The pain, the suffering, the countless loss of loved ones… no, they would never forgive us.. They would keep a knife behind their back as we would as us because they know the moment the big threats are gone…. They're next.
Maybe we can at least make a world that is nice to live in. Still under us, but not some kind of hellscape like some of the Eggmen have made.
 
Hey QM's, I have maybe a stupid question: is it actually possible, via lucky rolls, for one of our power metal units to defeat Omega? And if so, what happens then?

I assume it's unlikely, given it's Omega, but I just thought I'd ask.
 
Yes. And maybe we can unlock and deploy our Egg Gunner line (from the 2006 SONIC THE HEDGEHOG game). Yes, THAT part of the timeline was retconned....but we SHOULD still have the designs on file somewhere, right?

Egg Paws supported by Egg Fighters are pretty good combination and pretty much all this things, the latter is meant to be deployed alongside the former if you read the description.

Egg Pawns: The general foot solider of the Eggman Empire that counts more on their number than their ability but are surprisingly durable. Come equipped with Egg Guns and Egg Spears.
Metal Cost: 10
Bonus: +5 to combat rolls
Horde Tactics: The first unit of this badnik does not count towards the Power Cap of any task.
Egg Fighter - A mass produced badnik made to fight along side the Egg Pawn, these frontline bruisers can take more damage and deal it back much harder.
Metal Cost: 10
Bonus: +8 to combat rolls
Brawny: Bare Failures to damage this unit become Failures and Bare Successes in combat by this unit become Successes

Like that itself could be a good force overall.

I wonder how that faction is going to work. From what I remember, other than the people on top most of the enemies were just a bunch of homeless people and animals who were driven crazy by a sonic weapon that made it impossible to think. It's kind of hard to control people in an organized fashion when they are essentially rabid animals.

Not all Kings want to conquer the world, some of them are perfectly fine on their own corner of the and just want to do their own stuff in peace.
 
I mean, we just got the death egg mark 2 back, but that's not gonna be completely useful for a long while until we get our empire back from the angry red man

Also the fact the Black Arms probably enjoy orbital superiority or the fact Eggman is not even aware they are currently chilling in the Ark aka the Eclipse Cannon until he built a telescope and try to spy on them from distance.
 
Also the fact the Black Arms probably enjoy orbital superiority or the fact Eggman is not even aware they are currently chilling in the Ark aka the Eclipse Cannon.
Yeah, that's why when we built that in space it would be a perfectly good staging area for us to build up our forces and then assault the ark, because from what I'm seeing once we get our empire back, it seems like our main way to get back shadow.


Unless we make a fake chaos emerald and set up a big trap for shadow, which is a bad idea because we don't know how long before his stringing of bad roll finally ends
 
However can we make peace? Even if is hard?

Just to leave no room for doubt.
Temporarily Peace? Yeah. There are ways to convince the Restoration that Eggman is changed and agree to Alliances, even thought. Ight be Shake, But once Eggman starts his usual shtick of conquering places, even If its not them, GUN and Restoration will move against you, only way to keep peace is not to be Eggman…which thats not happening.

Getting them to help to deal with threats like Black Doom is possible, but its temporarily, until de is defeated, you will get back to fighting each other.
 
Temporarily Peace? Yeah. There are ways to convince the Restoration that Eggman is changed and agree to Alliances, even thought. Ight be Shake, But once Eggman starts his usual shtick of conquering places, even If its not them, GUN and Restoration will move against you, only way to keep peace is not to be Eggman…which thats not happening.

Getting them to help to deal with threats like Black Doom is possible, but its temporarily, IC e he is defectos, you will get back to fighting each other.
Yeah, it's completely true. We would go back to how the old status quo was us fighting them and them fighting us… it's just that we can't really crush them without making some of our hero units. Flip on us completely… that's why we need to change their opinions on those two organizations so we can crush them
 
We are going to need new sources of income, no doubt the good cards from Elizabeth are more than what we currently got and their's probably good stuff on the black market that we can research or are one of a kind items or hard to get/make, and are better bought.
 
Temporarily Peace? Yeah. There are ways to convince the Restoration that Eggman is changed and agree to Alliances, even thought. Ight be Shake, But once Eggman starts his usual shtick of conquering places, even If its not them, GUN and Restoration will move against you, only way to keep peace is not to be Eggman…which thats not happening.

Getting them to help to deal with threats like Black Doom is possible, but its temporarily, until de is defeated, you will get back to fighting each other.

I know this is a pipe dream but I really wanted their help to fight the Empire, GUN firepower and Restoration guerrilla would be really useful there.

Not to mention it would be pretty epic to make a unify front against the Black Arms and the Vortex to vanquish them from this world.

You know leave them for last as long as possible to make the impact been heartbreaking as possible because by that point Eggman would have chnaged enough to not really enjoy the victory anymore.

He get revenge against GUN but would feel no satisfaction on it because there's no way he didn't feel the same on his own universe despite appearance, because getting revenge on behalf of a dead men is pointless, even Shadow move on from that to the point he used to work for them.

The Restoration on the other hand are just a bunch of desperate civilians that know they are over their heads but must make stand because if not them who else?

I don't think even Eggman would feel like a good guy beating them.

The point of a villain victorious quest it's that villains won in some form but find no satisfaction on their victory. Either that they double down or make it count for something.
 
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Just going to point out, we are already on their bad side. There's just bigger fish to fry for them as well, but the Restoration is completely aware of just how dangerous Eggman is. They know what we're capable of when we get going.

This statement contradicts itself. An alliance by nature is a major commitment. No one is going to trust Eggman without significant effort on his part. Token effort will get a token ceasefire where everyone is preparing to stab the other guy once it looks like the other guy's guard is down.

Your analysis about bigger fish to fry outside of the Green Hills is flawed. Action economy is the single biggest problem in CK2 quests. It's always about balancing the action economy. We need to crush GUN and the Restoration to get enough actions that we are actually capable of acting on a global stage. How effective do you think we'll be operating across continents if we only have one Heart or Logistics action? Or whichever action they unlock. Any analysis of alliance with the Restoration or GUN must mention the severe opportunity cost of not acquiring the second actions.

It's fairly clear that the Green Hills were designed as a tutorial area for Eggman. He needs to defeat all the factions in it before he can start conquering the rest of the world.

Fair arguments.

Restoration just has not been a direct problem for Eggman in the context of the current conflict, other than Whisper who would've done the same thing if she was completely independent of them. And to clarify what I meant by "token effort" I literally mean the one action to establish neutrality, not continued effort to make and establish said alliance or ceasefire should that fail.

I was focusing on why I wanted to make that minimum effort, which is why I didn't get into it, but I don't deny the opportunity cost of the action economy either. It's actions spent crushing the Resistance and probably GUN for however long that conflict lasts but gaining actions from the rewards vs. actions saved by not getting bogged down in those conflicts and gaining easier access to outside GH faster but not having those extra actions.

There are also the benefits of actions they take against or defending from other enemy factions once we all break out of this bubble, which are problems that Eggman doesn't have to deal with. Or at least not pay as much attention to, since Restoration and GUN will also have to handle it. Two or three factions have more actions than one super faction. To preemptively acknowledge counterarguments, yes, some of their actions will be used in preparation for the inevitable mutual betrayal and thus so will Eggman's. But a significant amount of that is also going to be generalized buildup that incoming conflicts would require anyway.

It's a question of weighing costs vs. benefits, which are going to naturally be subjective based off of priority and how each one is valued.

And keep in mind, I'm fine with the token effort failing, which is why I don't want it to be more than token. There are benefits to that failure, namely making it easier to keep a hero unit that I and several other people in the quest have shown investment in and the potential of GUN being pulled in multiple directions which would not be good for them.

And to acknowledge what Kingster has said about a genuine long term alliance not happening, I have made all my arguments without the expectation that such a thing was in the cards. Like I said, costs vs. benefits.
 
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I'm gonna say myself but, while I do absolutely want to be a(relatively) benevolent ruler(because even just from a practical perspective being a malevolent one tends to cause more problems in the long run than it solves in the short term), the simple fact is that the hostilities are too deeply ingrained in these groups.

Even if Eggman's conquering people who are even worse than himself, the Restoration is still going to go after him simply because Eggman is conquering people.

In the end all we really can do is topple them and pick up the pieces that are still intact to use for our own empire. Hell, by the end maybe we can even make them look like the bad guys!
 
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