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Sure, but first let's prevent them from killing each other.
The problem here is that we (Rei included) need Ritsuko alive.
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Rei Ayanami Raising Project
- Thread starter Sutekh
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- She/Her
Misato has a much less twitchy trigger finger than Rei.
BethofDeath
Girls just wanna have pun
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Which isn't going to happen as long as their focus is on each others' intent to commit entirely pointless-in-the-medium-and-long-term murder.
There are bigger fish to fry, and Gendo isn't even the biggest fish.
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We either hug them both or break both their arms, no other solutions here...
Do we tho... Do we ?
FourthWall
Love & Destroy
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Yeah, you do. Who else knows the MAGI, who else manages upkeep on the Evas, who else willing to talk to Misato has actual leverage in the games NERV and SEELE are playing?
no.
Pink Flamingo Cabal Grand Vizier
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[X] Stand between Rei and Ritsuko.
-[X] Tell Rei and Ritsuko you won't allow them to kill each other despite everything.
-[X] Ask Rei if she wants to tell her friends that she killed somebody in cold blood. Ask her if she is really ready to kill Misato only to get Ritsuko? What about killing Shinji? Hikari? Asuka?
-[X] Tell Rtisuko to give you the PDA, shut up and stop escalating. Even she knows deep down that Rei is human, not some empty shell.
I'm going with this one because I broadly agree with it and because I hate excessively wordy write-ins.
Frankly, I find Ritsuko rather sympathetic all things considered. She's not a good person but she genuinely is trying to save the world with the cards she's been dealt. Permanently burning all bridges with her is rather foolish from a strategic standpoint too.
-[X] Tell Rei and Ritsuko you won't allow them to kill each other despite everything.
-[X] Ask Rei if she wants to tell her friends that she killed somebody in cold blood. Ask her if she is really ready to kill Misato only to get Ritsuko? What about killing Shinji? Hikari? Asuka?
-[X] Tell Rtisuko to give you the PDA, shut up and stop escalating. Even she knows deep down that Rei is human, not some empty shell.
I'm going with this one because I broadly agree with it and because I hate excessively wordy write-ins.
Frankly, I find Ritsuko rather sympathetic all things considered. She's not a good person but she genuinely is trying to save the world with the cards she's been dealt. Permanently burning all bridges with her is rather foolish from a strategic standpoint too.
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Not to give the game away too much but given your IC knowledge of Ritsuko's functions at base, you know that her absence would cause many problems for NERV's daily operation.
Seconded. Rei's finger is on the trigger. Please consolidate to most important points or rewrite entirely.
[X] Stand between Rei and Ritsuko.
-[X] Tell Rei and Ritsuko you won't allow them to kill each other despite everything.
-[X] Ask Rei if she wants to tell her friends that she killed somebody in cold blood. Ask her if she is really ready to kill Misato only to get Ritsuko? What about killing Shinji? Hikari? Asuka?
-[X] Tell Rtisuko to give you the PDA, shut up and stop escalating. Even she knows deep down that Rei is human, not some empty shell.
-[X] Tell Rei and Ritsuko you won't allow them to kill each other despite everything.
-[X] Ask Rei if she wants to tell her friends that she killed somebody in cold blood. Ask her if she is really ready to kill Misato only to get Ritsuko? What about killing Shinji? Hikari? Asuka?
-[X] Tell Rtisuko to give you the PDA, shut up and stop escalating. Even she knows deep down that Rei is human, not some empty shell.
[X] Stand between Rei and Ritsuko.
-[X] Tell Rei and Ritsuko you won't allow them to kill each other despite everything.
-[X] Ask Rei if she wants to tell her friends that she killed somebody in cold blood. Ask her if she is really ready to kill Misato only to get Ritsuko? What about killing Shinji? Hikari? Asuka?
-[X] Tell Rtisuko to give you the PDA, shut up and stop escalating. Even she knows deep down that Rei is human, not some empty shell.l
Sigh, we lost the time needed to make a better speech by wasting a turn on nothing, but oh well then this also works a little?
-[X] Tell Rei and Ritsuko you won't allow them to kill each other despite everything.
-[X] Ask Rei if she wants to tell her friends that she killed somebody in cold blood. Ask her if she is really ready to kill Misato only to get Ritsuko? What about killing Shinji? Hikari? Asuka?
-[X] Tell Rtisuko to give you the PDA, shut up and stop escalating. Even she knows deep down that Rei is human, not some empty shell.l
Sigh, we lost the time needed to make a better speech by wasting a turn on nothing, but oh well then this also works a little?
[X] Stand between Rei and Ritsuko.
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- Laniakea
Very well, the cliff notes version then.
EDIT: You know what, I have a better idea for how to get Rei's finger off the trigger.
[X] Grab Ritsuko's fallen gun and point it at your own head.
-[X] Tell Rei that personal experience says getting revenge won't bring her what she wants. Shinji knew that too, which was why he stopped her before.
-[X] Tell Ritsuko you believe her about trying to do her best. Tell her you don't believe she truly thinks of Rei as a mere component, especially given the words she's been using. Point to Rei's drive for revenge as evidence of her humanity.
-[X] Propose that if Rei can show restraint and walk away from her revenge, Ritsuko ought to acknowledge she has enough self-control to not warrant capital punishment. Because that's more self-control than Misato had and Ritsuko isn't willing to execute her.
-[X] Misato on the other hand, would rather shoot herself than watch her friends kill each other.
The decision to de-escalate has to be voluntary.
If they don't mutually agree to it of their own volition, we will not be able to secure the long-term assistance from Ritsuko needed to perpetuate the cover-up of Rei being replaced.
I cannot see barking orders like a female version of a certain man with orange shades and white gloves, delivering yet another command that must be followed accompanied by a dose of physical violence and emotional manipulation as anything but counter-productive in the long-term.
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Unless you have somebody capable of overseeing Evas maintenance, and Rei's health, because I do not believe that Ritsuko lies to Misato about this.
I was not going to discuss this anymore, but I shall do this one last time.
Let's ignore "a dose of physical violence" you have pulled out of thin air more than once (and you skipping the rest of the vote again).
But if you cannot see the difference between a random dude telling you "Shut up!", and your best (and probably the only now) friend telling you "Shut up, and stop poking the fucking tiger with a stick!", then the problem is indeed on your side.
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Ritsuko likely no longer sees Misato as her friend in this scenario, given how much she's taking Rei's side.
As such, she's not even just a random dude anymore - she's someone who has just betrayed Ritsuko.
That's even worse than having a random dude yelling at you.
NegativeJ
LOVE
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- Est
[X] Grab Ritsuko's fallen gun and point it at your own head.
-[X] Tell Rei that personal experience says getting revenge won't bring her what she wants. Shinji knew that too, which was why he stopped her before.
-[X] Tell Ritsuko you believe her about trying to do her best. Tell her you don't believe she truly thinks of Rei as a mere component, especially given the words she's been using. Point to Rei's drive for revenge as evidence of her humanity.
-[X] Propose that if Rei can show restraint and walk away from her revenge, Ritsuko ought to acknowledge she has enough self-control to not warrant capital punishment. Because that's more self-control than Misato had and Ritsuko isn't willing to execute her.
-[X] Misato on the other hand, would rather shoot herself than watch her friends kill each other.
-[X] Tell Rei that personal experience says getting revenge won't bring her what she wants. Shinji knew that too, which was why he stopped her before.
-[X] Tell Ritsuko you believe her about trying to do her best. Tell her you don't believe she truly thinks of Rei as a mere component, especially given the words she's been using. Point to Rei's drive for revenge as evidence of her humanity.
-[X] Propose that if Rei can show restraint and walk away from her revenge, Ritsuko ought to acknowledge she has enough self-control to not warrant capital punishment. Because that's more self-control than Misato had and Ritsuko isn't willing to execute her.
-[X] Misato on the other hand, would rather shoot herself than watch her friends kill each other.
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- United States
[X] Grab Ritsuko's fallen gun and point it at your own head.
-[X] Tell Rei that personal experience says getting revenge won't bring her what she wants. Shinji knew that too, which was why he stopped her before.
-[X] Tell Ritsuko you believe her about trying to do her best. Tell her you don't believe she truly thinks of Rei as a mere component, especially given the words she's been using. Point to Rei's drive for revenge as evidence of her humanity.
-[X] Propose that if Rei can show restraint and walk away from her revenge, Ritsuko ought to acknowledge she has enough self-control to not warrant capital punishment. Because that's more self-control than Misato had and Ritsuko isn't willing to execute her.
-[X] Misato on the other hand, would rather shoot herself than watch her friends kill each other.
You know what, lets do this, I think this will work better, as nothing really says knock it off, like pointing a gun at your own head, and if for nothing else but to see their reactions when Misato does pull a gun on herself.
-[X] Tell Rei that personal experience says getting revenge won't bring her what she wants. Shinji knew that too, which was why he stopped her before.
-[X] Tell Ritsuko you believe her about trying to do her best. Tell her you don't believe she truly thinks of Rei as a mere component, especially given the words she's been using. Point to Rei's drive for revenge as evidence of her humanity.
-[X] Propose that if Rei can show restraint and walk away from her revenge, Ritsuko ought to acknowledge she has enough self-control to not warrant capital punishment. Because that's more self-control than Misato had and Ritsuko isn't willing to execute her.
-[X] Misato on the other hand, would rather shoot herself than watch her friends kill each other.
You know what, lets do this, I think this will work better, as nothing really says knock it off, like pointing a gun at your own head, and if for nothing else but to see their reactions when Misato does pull a gun on herself.
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Modifying my vote and joining the @PistachioCookies gang, let's go crazy wild since logic and reason failed us so far !
Videogamer921
oh god it’s him
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[X] If you two keep going, both of you are going to end up dead, and is Gendo, and Shinji, and Asuka, and everyone else in NERV. Do either of you think we can keep fighting back the Angels with either of you dead? Let alone both?
-[X] This is a standoff. The right move to play in a standoff is for both of you to lower your weapons, and then discuss what to do next. We all - and that includes me - need to calm down a bit.
[X] Stand between Rei and Ritsuko.
-[X] Tell Rei and Ritsuko you won't allow them to kill each other despite everything.
-[X] Ask Rei if she wants to tell her friends that she killed somebody in cold blood. Ask her if she is really ready to kill Misato only to get Ritsuko? What about killing Shinji? Hikari? Asuka?
-[X] Tell Rtisuko to give you the PDA, shut up and stop escalating. Even she knows deep down that Rei is human, not some empty shell.
-[X] This is a standoff. The right move to play in a standoff is for both of you to lower your weapons, and then discuss what to do next. We all - and that includes me - need to calm down a bit.
[X] Stand between Rei and Ritsuko.
-[X] Tell Rei and Ritsuko you won't allow them to kill each other despite everything.
-[X] Ask Rei if she wants to tell her friends that she killed somebody in cold blood. Ask her if she is really ready to kill Misato only to get Ritsuko? What about killing Shinji? Hikari? Asuka?
-[X] Tell Rtisuko to give you the PDA, shut up and stop escalating. Even she knows deep down that Rei is human, not some empty shell.
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Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
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- She/Her
I have to ask the "Russian Roulette with the worst odds ever" lobby, are you guys actually in favor of pulling the trigger if this gambit fails? Because if we're not gonna, then Misato's not gonna, and at that point it's just a shitty bluff. I think standing in front of Rei's gun is a much more effective way to put our life on the line should she shoot.
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You are correct that we can't find a middle ground on that specific issue. However, the situation as a whole is more complicated.
Ritsuko wants to kill Rei. However, Rei also wants to kill Ritsuko. A significant component of why each wants to kill the other is fear that the other one is going to kill them. Preventing everyone from killing anyone is a compromise between these two positions. And if this makes both of them angry at Misato, that just means they're both alive.
Very dramatic. I can imagine a version of this story where Ritsuko and Rei are shocked out of their current headspaces by this, giving Misato a chance to explain properly, and they both realize that Misato is doing this because she doesn't want either of them to die.
I have nowhere near enough confidence that it would actually work out that way.
[X] If you two keep going, both of you are going to end up dead, and is Gendo, and Shinji, and Asuka, and everyone else in NERV. Do either of you think we can keep fighting back the Angels with either of you dead? Let alone both?
-[X] This is a standoff. The right move to play in a standoff is for both of you to lower your weapons, and then discuss what to do next. We all - and that includes me - need to calm down a bit.
[X] Stand between Rei and Ritsuko.
-[X] Tell Rei and Ritsuko you won't allow them to kill each other despite everything.
-[X] Ask Rei if she wants to tell her friends that she killed somebody in cold blood. Ask her if she is really ready to kill Misato only to get Ritsuko? What about killing Shinji? Hikari? Asuka?
-[X] Tell Rtisuko to give you the PDA, shut up and stop escalating. Even she knows deep down that Rei is human, not some empty shell.
Both of these plans seem like they'd work.
Solark
sun-chaser
Said who exactly? We have no idea what Rei intends to do, because instead of asking we keep trying to twist this situation into the usual half-assed (un)happy middle ground ending.
I wonder what happened to the Misato who punched Ritsuko for simply suggesting a strike at Rei.
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Rei. She literally said she intended to do that earlier today.
In case you think that was a one-off thing, I don't think she's pointing a pistol at Ritsuko right now, with her finger on the trigger, because she's planning a prank with an unusually realistic squirtgun. Also, she talked about getting justice for all her murdered clones two updates ago. There are theoretically many ways to interpret that statement, but the aforementioned pistol narrows down the options significantly.
Solark
sun-chaser
Nah, she only threatened consequences for a certain action. She still allowed Rits to get her fingers on the button. Rei's actions look like self-defense to me, while Rits insists on murdering her here and now when there's absolutely no urgency to it.
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I don't think Rei wants to murder Ritsuko as much as Ritsuko wants to kill Rei, but the amount she wants to kill Rits is not zero.
Yes, self-defense is one of her motives, but she would also like justice for her clones. She thinks Dr. Akagi deserves punishment, and last time she talked about punishing Ritsuko Akagi (among others), she was piloting a giant combat robot towards the Geofront in an aggressive manner.
And Rei is pointing a loaded handgun at Ritsuko, with her finger on the trigger. We know Rei knows how to handle a handgun, she knows how trigger discipline is supposed to work; either she wants to shoot Ritsuko or she's running on so much adrenaline that she's acting irrationally. And don't tell me she's just getting ready to shoot Ritsuko—I've shot guns, it does not take long to move your index finger from outside of the trigger guard to the trigger. Especially if you're a "crack shot". There is nothing Ritsuko can do before Rei puts her finger on the trigger that she can't also do before Rei pulls the trigger.
We could argue over how much Rei wants to kill Ritsuko, but I don't want to do that and you are denying that Rei wants to kill her at all. That is just not supported by the text. Rei said she wanted to kill Ritsuko, she explained why she wants to kill Ritsuko, and she is ready to shoot Ritsuko. We've got means, motive, and a statement of intent.
Solark
sun-chaser
@GreatWyrmGold you're jumping to conclusions to support your idea. Never, ever once, Rei said she wants or going to kill Ritsuko. Not in the quotes you provided, not anywhere else. It's not in the text, only in your interpretation.
I'm more concerned about Rei here, as she clearly said her good-byes to Misato before setting out. Which makes me think she wasn't planning to get out of it alive, but clearly planned for another clone to take her place. She's up to something, and probably needs Ritsuko to help with the plan.
I'm more concerned about Rei here, as she clearly said her good-byes to Misato before setting out. Which makes me think she wasn't planning to get out of it alive, but clearly planned for another clone to take her place. She's up to something, and probably needs Ritsuko to help with the plan.