Reds! A Revolutionary Timeline
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silverpower
Communism is yuri and nothing else!
- Location
- Portland
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- She/Her
You might very well end up with ITTL's version being like Metástasis (the Spanish-language Colombian telenovela remake), instead. Both of those stories are very much products of OTL's capitalist America in their original form, so it probably wouldn't make sense for UASR's film industry to help specifically.
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- The Midlands.
I dunno, you could take the basic premise of Breaking Bad and turn it into a vicious attack on the appalling state of the American (or in this case Americuban) healthcare system without changing very much.
silverpower
Communism is yuri and nothing else!
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- Portland
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- She/Her
True, so if it were made *in* or *for* Americuba, it'd look much like Metástasis, and if it's a UASR production, it looks more like Breaking Bad (Miami edition).
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- Washington, DC
For the party posts, are there plans to continue doing those for other countries like China or India? And did the other Soviet parties get covered?
Mazeka
You must be joking
- Location
- United States
On a second thought, a Breaking Bad franchise equivalent will almost certainly be a completely Americuban production. A UASR production criticizing a foreign healthcare system would probably feel inauthentic and disingenuous.
silverpower
Communism is yuri and nothing else!
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- Portland
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- She/Her
To be fair, Breaking Bad is more about the fall of Walter White than his cancer being expensive to treat. He had multiple opportunities to get back on the wagon, but he was always more interested in the freedom and excitement that being a drug kingpin gave him.
That angle is definitely possible and feasible for a UASR production to explore.
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- San Francisco, CA, United States
Wasn't the way he justified it to himself (at least consciously) still about "providing for his family"? I don't think that would make sense in an egalitarian society where everyone is already provided for and life isn't built around the capitalist/protestant valorization of work ethic as a benchmark of one's masculinity.
silverpower
Communism is yuri and nothing else!
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- Portland
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- She/Her
That's true, which is why if it were a UASR-based production, it'd be set across the Gulf in Americuba, or even somewhere further afield in the AFS, as sort of a deconstruction of that sort of "Protestant work ethic" sigma grindset bullshit. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that.
Honestly, I don't think it would be very good if it was an American production in this timeline. It'd be impossible to make it without it seeming like little more than an elaborate "fuck you!" to the capitalists.
Walter is a villain. He needs to be a villain for the show to work, and not some kind of tragic villain either. Walter may have started because cancer treatment is horrifyingly expensive in America, but he gleefully leaped off the slippery slope pretty much as soon as he could.
If it was made in the UASR he'd inevitably end up being portrayed as a tragic victim of the real villain, the system in which he lives, instead of the person who knowingly and willingly did horrible things because it made him feel powerful for once in his life.
While you could make a good show out of that, it wouldn't be Breaking Bad. Walter needs to be a psychotic drug dealing murderer, not a victim.
Walter is a villain. He needs to be a villain for the show to work, and not some kind of tragic villain either. Walter may have started because cancer treatment is horrifyingly expensive in America, but he gleefully leaped off the slippery slope pretty much as soon as he could.
If it was made in the UASR he'd inevitably end up being portrayed as a tragic victim of the real villain, the system in which he lives, instead of the person who knowingly and willingly did horrible things because it made him feel powerful for once in his life.
While you could make a good show out of that, it wouldn't be Breaking Bad. Walter needs to be a psychotic drug dealing murderer, not a victim.
Miss XTC
2 kawaii 2 live 2 sugoi 2 die
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- HelLA.
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- She/They
Strident anti-capitalism is dead in American media by the time Breaking Bad would get made because it's just not most people's lived experience. It'd be seen as just repeating stuff they already knew. Not just preaching to the choir, preaching to other preachers. If it did exist, it would have to be made in the capitalist sphere.
Also I had envisioned it being an Indian franchise. Breaking Bad as a show relies on the drug trade in the US-Mexico border, and the Indo-Burmese border is the closest that probably comes to it ITTL.
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A primer on Concordism and Asiofuturism
Spartakrod
Judeo-Spartacist Bolshevik-Kabbalist
- Location
- Sanctum Arcanorum
- Pronouns
- Fae/Faer/Faers/Faerself
Crossposting this from The Dual Order quest since its basically official information on Concordism as an ideology and how Supramodernism came to take over Japan.
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The export commodity boom of the 20s and 30s born of the Empire of the Rising Sun being the least affected great power by the war propelled the Nihonjin economy to an unprecedented period of growth and industrialisation. Society changed in real time to one with living standards to rival the best of the west and the average productivity of the Nihonjin labourer skyrocketed to an unprecedented degree. An economy that could double multiple times in a single decade brought consequences as one could expect from such a nonstop economic explosion that slowed down only temporarily, but did not halt, for the great depression only to accelerate even further when Western Europe found itself needing Nihonjin goods to make up for the alteration of trade with America.
Traditional structures were frayed by the most rapidly urbanising and industrializing society that human history had seen up to that point. People used to horse and carriage were now using trains and streetcars. Chosun's agriculture went from medieval to almost entirely mechanical while its north grew into a steel belt of incredible size, and the North and Hokkaido of the home islands would be settled more intensely and rapidly than they had been in centuries of prior Nihonjin history. Such sparked flirtations with reaction, fascism, socialism, and other radical ideologies as the Taisho centre withered before the onslaught of a society that could not stop changing from one day to the next.
Machinery had grown to dominate all aspects of Nihonjin life, electronics went from a rarity to a speciality of Nihonjin industries to produce them for the ravenous demands of the empires of Western Europe. And soon Asians were buying them as well, from the factories in the Home Islands, Formosa, Chosun, Manchukuo, Thailand, and the North Chinese Government that Nihon recognised as the legitimate ruler of China. But it was in that period between 1933 and 1935 that Nihon would make a radical and dramatic change.
Shimoi Harukichi who had partaken in the Fiume Venture would speak of something bold and radical to bridge the gap between the rising Fascist movements in Japan, the ultrareactionary Kodoha, and the Conservative Statists of the Toseiha; even speaking to Social Democrats and disaffected socialists who felt that the communist movement had lost its vision of national liberation. This, something he had the pleasure of sharing to Prince-Regent Chichibu who ruled in Hirohito's stead following his incapacitation via grenade by a Korean anarchist, would be Concordism, Asian Futurism, true Supramodernism.
The precepts of Concordism would be simple yet elegant. The eras of history had vaciliated between the Occident and Orient, and the present era had irreversibly shifted in favour of the east. Thus only eastern nations, or at least those of eastern spirit, could envision and beget a future for the forces of history while the west stagnated into materialism and myopia. The powers of all classes were to be unified in spirit and form towards a dynamic form of labourism and ingenious leadership to encourage creativity and the revitalisation of social energies under the direction of the state and nation towards an Asian modernity.
In essence, the workers would be empowered to match their creativity with their employers and the owners of capital, while strengthening and maintaining traditional community. However, traditions themselves were not an inherent good, and would be considered on an Asian basis as to whether they served the Oriental cause of progress. Key to this, would be a warrior ethos, both externally whether in the form of physical warfare or in struggle to enact change, or internally to change and better oneself. This warrior ethos thus, would beget the future asian man, a higher form of being.
However, unlike the reactionary, dogmatic, and static views of biological race of the west, Asianness was a spirituality. One could be Asian in spirit through embracing Asian virtues of warrior progressivism, soldierly camaraderie, vigorous mutability, aggressive passion, futuristic creativity, and energetic solidarity that would elevate them beyond the barbarian values of the decayed west. By making the Concordist way a second religion and spirituality, one could remould themselves into having an Asian ethos and thus be Asian in fact as well as thought. Thus, the Italian for example, was the most Asian of the Europeans.
War was a holy, purifying thing, violence the greatest and most effective form of promoting change and cutting away those who cannot endure the pressures of time and history. Violence within, to enforce the unity of the people towards an oriental ideal and to break the weakness of one's spirit, violence without to destroy that which offends the nation and the oriental way. Power and strength were the great goals of the asian revolution, power to set the destiny of the world and strength to smash any who would be against it. The fire ignited in Asia would be one that would consume the earth and all beneath the sun until they were purified of occidental weakness.
It was not biological racism, but it was a conformism and a bringing of the discipline and unity of the army to the civilian sphere. To make the people love and respect the soldiers by making them soldiers in the civilian sphere just as the army and navy had soldiers in the military sphere. To give purpose, direction, belonging, and a hatred for both their own weakness and the repugnant inferiority of the spirit of their enemies who knew not the blessed path. Those who would not conform would be hazed and remoulded to embrace the army ideal, and while they rejected European sexuality standards as occidental importations, they still emphasised the need to have many, many children, and that feminity should elevate itself into warrior manliness if women wish to have a place as equals.
The warrior ethos of conflict first would scorn attempts at negotiating when the strength to win was there, and would encourage demonstrations of raw, naked power before the foe. To have strength without using it was in essence, a concession of weakness, an occidental mindset of turning the other cheek. Those who oppose must be reminded of one's power, and those who cannot resist your power must be swept away and broken into something new and wiser. Nihon would guide the path, Asia would follow, and the world would burn in the forge of renewal until it too had seen the wisdom and rid itself of the disease of occidentalism and accepted the Asian way of the warrior-philosopher.
Nihon was the fastest-changing place in the world, and it would be the vanguard of a pan-asian national revolution. A revolution that would burn away the backwards weakness of the fading occident which could no longer bear the heavy burden of lighting the way to the future. A revolution that would centre the world where it belonged, in the east, free from the shackles of outmoded and decrepit has-beens and geezers whose time had come and gone. Asia would be the centre of the world, and Nihon would be the centre of Asia in a new, glorious world order where Asia would sprint headfirst into the bold new era, and all others would be but able to follow into the new era.
And so Chichibu, making use of this Concordist clique, would create a unified government to bridge the factions of the anti-communist factions of Japan under the leadership of the Concordists and their Asiofuturist vision. A vision they would share with the Koreans, Zhongguonese, Manchu, Thai, and even the colonised people of the orient in the hopes of an authentically Asian revolution against the ancient regime of the dying west, all while of course, assuring the western European empires that they would watch the pacific against the advance of Communism. All while courting the would be new orders of Berlin and particularly Rome.
Their pupils in Beijing would make war upon the Wuhan government of the KMT and CCP, regarding them as outdated relics of the past to be swept aside in the future to come, and when the Communist-backed Wuhan government proved sufficiently stubborn, the Empire stepped in to assist the Republic it had birthed in 1939. Only the commitment of volunteer forces by the Americans and Soviets would save Chonqing from falling before the Concordist advance in 1940 at the climax of many border conflicts between the Empire and the Union. But they would not wait long before flooding themselves in yet further war.
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Concordism, the Futurism of Asia
The export commodity boom of the 20s and 30s born of the Empire of the Rising Sun being the least affected great power by the war propelled the Nihonjin economy to an unprecedented period of growth and industrialisation. Society changed in real time to one with living standards to rival the best of the west and the average productivity of the Nihonjin labourer skyrocketed to an unprecedented degree. An economy that could double multiple times in a single decade brought consequences as one could expect from such a nonstop economic explosion that slowed down only temporarily, but did not halt, for the great depression only to accelerate even further when Western Europe found itself needing Nihonjin goods to make up for the alteration of trade with America.
Traditional structures were frayed by the most rapidly urbanising and industrializing society that human history had seen up to that point. People used to horse and carriage were now using trains and streetcars. Chosun's agriculture went from medieval to almost entirely mechanical while its north grew into a steel belt of incredible size, and the North and Hokkaido of the home islands would be settled more intensely and rapidly than they had been in centuries of prior Nihonjin history. Such sparked flirtations with reaction, fascism, socialism, and other radical ideologies as the Taisho centre withered before the onslaught of a society that could not stop changing from one day to the next.
Machinery had grown to dominate all aspects of Nihonjin life, electronics went from a rarity to a speciality of Nihonjin industries to produce them for the ravenous demands of the empires of Western Europe. And soon Asians were buying them as well, from the factories in the Home Islands, Formosa, Chosun, Manchukuo, Thailand, and the North Chinese Government that Nihon recognised as the legitimate ruler of China. But it was in that period between 1933 and 1935 that Nihon would make a radical and dramatic change.
Shimoi Harukichi who had partaken in the Fiume Venture would speak of something bold and radical to bridge the gap between the rising Fascist movements in Japan, the ultrareactionary Kodoha, and the Conservative Statists of the Toseiha; even speaking to Social Democrats and disaffected socialists who felt that the communist movement had lost its vision of national liberation. This, something he had the pleasure of sharing to Prince-Regent Chichibu who ruled in Hirohito's stead following his incapacitation via grenade by a Korean anarchist, would be Concordism, Asian Futurism, true Supramodernism.
The precepts of Concordism would be simple yet elegant. The eras of history had vaciliated between the Occident and Orient, and the present era had irreversibly shifted in favour of the east. Thus only eastern nations, or at least those of eastern spirit, could envision and beget a future for the forces of history while the west stagnated into materialism and myopia. The powers of all classes were to be unified in spirit and form towards a dynamic form of labourism and ingenious leadership to encourage creativity and the revitalisation of social energies under the direction of the state and nation towards an Asian modernity.
In essence, the workers would be empowered to match their creativity with their employers and the owners of capital, while strengthening and maintaining traditional community. However, traditions themselves were not an inherent good, and would be considered on an Asian basis as to whether they served the Oriental cause of progress. Key to this, would be a warrior ethos, both externally whether in the form of physical warfare or in struggle to enact change, or internally to change and better oneself. This warrior ethos thus, would beget the future asian man, a higher form of being.
However, unlike the reactionary, dogmatic, and static views of biological race of the west, Asianness was a spirituality. One could be Asian in spirit through embracing Asian virtues of warrior progressivism, soldierly camaraderie, vigorous mutability, aggressive passion, futuristic creativity, and energetic solidarity that would elevate them beyond the barbarian values of the decayed west. By making the Concordist way a second religion and spirituality, one could remould themselves into having an Asian ethos and thus be Asian in fact as well as thought. Thus, the Italian for example, was the most Asian of the Europeans.
War was a holy, purifying thing, violence the greatest and most effective form of promoting change and cutting away those who cannot endure the pressures of time and history. Violence within, to enforce the unity of the people towards an oriental ideal and to break the weakness of one's spirit, violence without to destroy that which offends the nation and the oriental way. Power and strength were the great goals of the asian revolution, power to set the destiny of the world and strength to smash any who would be against it. The fire ignited in Asia would be one that would consume the earth and all beneath the sun until they were purified of occidental weakness.
It was not biological racism, but it was a conformism and a bringing of the discipline and unity of the army to the civilian sphere. To make the people love and respect the soldiers by making them soldiers in the civilian sphere just as the army and navy had soldiers in the military sphere. To give purpose, direction, belonging, and a hatred for both their own weakness and the repugnant inferiority of the spirit of their enemies who knew not the blessed path. Those who would not conform would be hazed and remoulded to embrace the army ideal, and while they rejected European sexuality standards as occidental importations, they still emphasised the need to have many, many children, and that feminity should elevate itself into warrior manliness if women wish to have a place as equals.
The warrior ethos of conflict first would scorn attempts at negotiating when the strength to win was there, and would encourage demonstrations of raw, naked power before the foe. To have strength without using it was in essence, a concession of weakness, an occidental mindset of turning the other cheek. Those who oppose must be reminded of one's power, and those who cannot resist your power must be swept away and broken into something new and wiser. Nihon would guide the path, Asia would follow, and the world would burn in the forge of renewal until it too had seen the wisdom and rid itself of the disease of occidentalism and accepted the Asian way of the warrior-philosopher.
Nihon was the fastest-changing place in the world, and it would be the vanguard of a pan-asian national revolution. A revolution that would burn away the backwards weakness of the fading occident which could no longer bear the heavy burden of lighting the way to the future. A revolution that would centre the world where it belonged, in the east, free from the shackles of outmoded and decrepit has-beens and geezers whose time had come and gone. Asia would be the centre of the world, and Nihon would be the centre of Asia in a new, glorious world order where Asia would sprint headfirst into the bold new era, and all others would be but able to follow into the new era.
And so Chichibu, making use of this Concordist clique, would create a unified government to bridge the factions of the anti-communist factions of Japan under the leadership of the Concordists and their Asiofuturist vision. A vision they would share with the Koreans, Zhongguonese, Manchu, Thai, and even the colonised people of the orient in the hopes of an authentically Asian revolution against the ancient regime of the dying west, all while of course, assuring the western European empires that they would watch the pacific against the advance of Communism. All while courting the would be new orders of Berlin and particularly Rome.
Their pupils in Beijing would make war upon the Wuhan government of the KMT and CCP, regarding them as outdated relics of the past to be swept aside in the future to come, and when the Communist-backed Wuhan government proved sufficiently stubborn, the Empire stepped in to assist the Republic it had birthed in 1939. Only the commitment of volunteer forces by the Americans and Soviets would save Chonqing from falling before the Concordist advance in 1940 at the climax of many border conflicts between the Empire and the Union. But they would not wait long before flooding themselves in yet further war.
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- Back in the 90s (In a very famous TV show)
- Pronouns
- She/Her/Ve/Ver
What's the Concordist view of queerness and gender noncomformity?
Miss XTC
2 kawaii 2 live 2 sugoi 2 die
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- HelLA.
- Pronouns
- She/They
A privilege reserved to samurai lords
- Location
- Back in the 90s (In a very famous TV show)
- Pronouns
- She/Her/Ve/Ver
Wait, is this an official, canon answer? I'm sorry, I haven't seen your account before, so I don't know if you write the TL or were told this somewhere or not.
Spartakrod
Judeo-Spartacist Bolshevik-Kabbalist
- Location
- Sanctum Arcanorum
- Pronouns
- Fae/Faer/Faers/Faerself
They reject European gender conceptualisation as an occidental importation. But they're also big on the need to have many children but also that for women to elevate themselves they should be like the ideal new oriental man and thus warrior-like, philosophical, energetic, and aggressive. Concordism is very idiosyncratic on this question in particular beyond that they're big on removing things they see as cultural importations from Europe that are backwards and dogmatic and thus opposed to the Oriental spirit of progress and transformation. What exactly that entails can vary a lot from person to person and the Concordat of Imperial Governance considers it largely beneath their notice which does mean they formally dispense with attempting to match British ordinations regarding sexual nonconformity to instead build a new image of the New Man.
Also Concordat of Imperial Governance Banner.
Also Concordat of Imperial Governance Banner.
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- Back in the 90s (In a very famous TV show)
- Pronouns
- She/Her/Ve/Ver
I feel like I'm going to regret saying this, but Concordism, from what I can tell with a cursory glance at the description, doesn't seem...dystopianly bad?
It seems...potentially nasty but IDK if it seems as bad as OTL Showa Statism? I could be wrong, though.
It seems...potentially nasty but IDK if it seems as bad as OTL Showa Statism? I could be wrong, though.
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- A haze of forgetfulness
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- She/Her
Sure as long as you are asian and privileged and don't mind being racist and oppressive go right ahead!
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Miss XTC
2 kawaii 2 live 2 sugoi 2 die
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- HelLA.
- Pronouns
- She/They
joke. i was Mr. C on AH.com. my gender is transing.
Is concordism a unique philosophy in this world? Because I googled it and didn't find anything about it
Spartakrod
Judeo-Spartacist Bolshevik-Kabbalist
- Location
- Sanctum Arcanorum
- Pronouns
- Fae/Faer/Faers/Faerself
It's derived from a number of idiosyncratic political trends in late Taisho and early Showa era Japan that I believed could plausibly be teased out into something more fitting for Reds! than OTL Toseiha Showa Statism or Kodoha ultrareaction.
Asami
Chairwoman of the Imperial Governance Council
- Location
- Florida
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Unrelated but congratulations on transing your gender
- Location
- Back in the 90s (In a very famous TV show)
- Pronouns
- She/Her/Ve/Ver
Congrats! Happy transing!