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Why is America shelving their plans for a decoloniation war when they half-expect Britain to join with Germany?
Those are offensive war plans. They don't have the means to undertake them while trying to support the USSR in a defensive war against Germany. Securing the sea lanes to the USSR precludes taking offensive military action against British assets in Africa, especially if they hope to keep Britain "neutral", even if they're a major trader of war materiel to Germany
 
Apologies if this has been answered before, but I'm surprised the UASR rolled with the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact/the Soviets just swallowing Eastern Poland. Were they aware of the agreement beforehand? If they weren't, I can't imagine they'll be sanguine about their allies quietly collaborating with the Nazis.
 
Apologies if this has been answered before, but I'm surprised the UASR rolled with the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact/the Soviets just swallowing Eastern Poland. Were they aware of the agreement beforehand? If they weren't, I can't imagine they'll be sanguine about their allies quietly collaborating with the Nazis.
It's not something they were aware about it until it was already fait accompli. And it has seriously strained relations, on top of the controversy from what has been known publicly about the Great Purge.

But ultimately there's very little they could do about it, and they're not going to break the international, especially with war on the horizon
 
The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was also where the soviets blockaded, invaded and forcedly annexed the Baltic states, deposed their governments as well which they followed up with rigged elections and then mass deportations and death squads.

They also shot down a Finnish plane killing a US diplomat carrying information about the seret soviet pact with the nazis, two french diplomatic couriers and 220 pounds of diplomatic mail which the soviets then impounded as apart of their efforts to prevent any diplomatic materal from getting out of the Baltic states as I recall.
 
It took me a while to realise that Edward Wood=The Earl Halifax.
It is an FBU publishing house that the timeline snippet is taken from. Which means that he got his noble title removed.

Retroactively.

Someone powerful upstairs got very annoyed by his many stunts before and during the war, methinks. :V And Churchill and Lizzy were always ones to hold a grudge for a long time.
The brutality of German occupation would be felt immediately. Unlike the Czechs, who Nazi ideologues considered to be Germans with a false national consciousness.
If this also true n OTL I want a citation for this. Actual historical source, please. At least in OTL, from what I know, the Nazis wanted to expel most (+99%) Czechs (who remained and were not already sent to Extermination Camps) to beyond Siberia after the war ended, and only taking here and there few blonde looking "Germanic-types" toddlers and children to be adopted and re-educated in 'propper' NSDAP/SS families.
 
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The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was also where the soviets blockaded, invaded and forcedly annexed the Baltic states, deposed their governments as well which they followed up with rigged elections and then mass deportations and death squads.

They also shot down a Finnish plane killing a US diplomat carrying information about the seret soviet pact with the nazis, two french diplomatic couriers and 220 pounds of diplomatic mail which the soviets then impounded as apart of their efforts to prevent any diplomatic materal from getting out of the Baltic states as I recall.
IOTL, yeah. But those aggressive actions ultimately occurred because Britain and France going to war with Germany gave them a free hand to assert themselves. Similar plans existed TTL, but due to the different political situation they're ultimately postponed
 
It's not something they were aware about it until it was already fait accompli. And it has seriously strained relations, on top of the controversy from what has been known publicly about the Great Purge.

But ultimately there's very little they could do about it, and they're not going to break the international, especially with war on the horizon

The USAR not being blind to what Stalin and his cronies are up to is good to know.
 
It is an FBU publishing house that the timeline snippet is taken from. Which means that he got his noble title removed. Retroactively.


If this also true n OTL I want a citation for this. Actual historical source, please. At least in OTL, from what I know, the Nazis wanted to expel most (+99%) Czechs (who remained and were not already sent to Extermination Camps) to beyond Siberia after the war ended, and only taking here and there few blonde looking "Germanic-types" toddlers and children to be adopted and re-educated in 'propper' NSDAP/SS families.
For one, this is an alternate history and the course of events are naturally divergent.

But even at their worst OTL, German policy in Czechoslovakia was that half of the population were considered ultimately Germanizable. This is from the official report of the Deputy General of the Wehrmacht in Bohemia & Moravia:
On 9 October of this year the office of the Reich Protector held an official conference in which State Secretary SS Lt. General K. H. Frank spoke about the following: [SS Gruppenfuehrer K. H. Frank was Secretary of State under Von Neurath, who at the date of this report was the Protector of Bohemia and Moravia].

Since creation of the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, Party agencies, industrial circles, as well as agencies of the central authorities of Berlin have had difficulties about the solution of the Czech problem.
"After ample deliberation, the Reich Protector expressed his views about the various plans in a memorandum. In this way, three ways of solution were indicated:

a. German infiltration of Moravia and reduction of the Czech nationality to a residual Bohemia. This solution is considered unsatisfactory, because the Czech problem, even if in a diminished form, will continue to exist.

b. Many arguments can be brought up against the most radical solution, namely, the deportation of all the Czechs. Therefore, the memorandum comes to the conclusion that it cannot be carried out within a reasonable period of time.

c. Assimilation of the Czechs, i.e., absorption of about half of the Czech nationality by the Germans, insofar as this is of importance by being valuable from a racial or other standpoint. This will take place, among other things, also by increasing the Arbeitseinsatz of the Czechs in the Reich territory (with the exception of the Sudeten German border district), in other words, by dispersing the closed Czech nationality.

The other half of the Czech nationality must be deprived of its power, eliminated and shipped out of the country by all sorts of methods. This applies particularly to the racially mongoloid part and to the major part of the intellectual class. The latter can scarcely be converted ideologically and would represent a burden by constantly making claims for the leadership over the other Czech classes and thus interfering with a rapid assimilation. "Elements which counteract the planned Germanization ought to be handled roughly and should be eliminated. "The above development naturally presupposes an increased influx of Germans from the Reich territory into the Protectorate.

After a discussion, the Fuehrer has chosen solution (c) (Assimilation) as a directive for the solution of the Czech problem and decided that, while keeping up the autonomy of the Protectorate on the surface, the Germanization will have to be carried out in a centralized way by the office of the Reich Protector for years to come.

From the above no particular conclusions are drawn by the armed forces. This is the direction which has always been represented from here. In this connection, I refer to my memorandum which was sent to the Chief of the Supreme Command of the Armed Forces, dated 12 July 1939, file number 6/39, top secret, entitled: "The Czech Problem." (Attached as annex.)

The Deputy General of the Armed Forces with the Reich Protector in Bohemia and Moravia.

(Signed) FRIDERICI
Infantry Lt. General.

ITTL, Nazi racial attitudes towards Czechs are informed heavily by the fact that they gave the German military a hell of a shellacking in the Czechoslovak War. The only ideological tolerable solution was that the Czechs were not racial subhumans on the same level as Poles and Russians, but Germans with a false-national consciousness.
 
And let's face it, Eastern Poland is better off under the occupation of TTL's version of the USSR than the Third Reich; they're not up for democracy of the year but they're still appreciably less unpleasant than the fascists.
 
And let's face it, Eastern Poland is better off under the occupation of TTL's version of the USSR than the Third Reich; they're not up for democracy of the year but they're still appreciably less unpleasant than the fascists.

I mean it says something about how rotten the Nazis were in OTL that the Stalinist USSR and its puppet was better than them and their plans.
 
And let's face it, Eastern Poland is better off under the occupation of TTL's version of the USSR than the Third Reich; they're not up for democracy of the year but they're still appreciably less unpleasant than the fascists.
Ehh, the problems are just not known publicly. For example, Yezhov's successor Beria is ordered to terminate the NKVD's national operation against Poles resident in the USSR mere weeks after the start of the Polish-German War because Stalin suddenly has a use for them, and with American military attaches poking around trying to establish the Polish underground state, it would be mighty hard to explain that to their ally
 
For one, this is an alternate history and the course of events are naturally divergent.

But even at their worst OTL, German policy in Czechoslovakia was that half of the population were considered ultimately Germanizable. This is from the official report of the Deputy General of the Wehrmacht in Bohemia & Moravia:


ITTL, Nazi racial attitudes towards Czechs are informed heavily by the fact that they gave the German military a hell of a shellacking in the Czechoslovak War. The only ideological tolerable solution was that the Czechs were not racial subhumans on the same level as Poles and Russians, but Germans with a false-national consciousness.
Okay. Good to know. In OTL, did the policy change when Heydrich became Reich Protector?
 
Ehh, the problems are just not known publicly. For example, Yezhov's successor Beria is ordered to terminate the NKVD's national operation against Poles resident in the USSR mere weeks after the start of the Polish-German War because Stalin suddenly has a use for them, and with American military attaches poking around trying to establish the Polish underground state, it would be mighty hard to explain that to their ally
Beria's around?
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!
 
Ehh, the problems are just not known publicly. For example, Yezhov's successor Beria is ordered to terminate the NKVD's national operation against Poles resident in the USSR mere weeks after the start of the Polish-German War because Stalin suddenly has a use for them, and with American military attaches poking around trying to establish the Polish underground state, it would be mighty hard to explain that to their ally.
Still an improvement. Stalin's regime has an ally of something more than convenience who can bring meaningful diplomatic pressure to bear if they don't like the things their consulates in the Russian sphere of influence are hearing about conditions on the ground, whereas France and the UK can do precisely jack shit to rein in Hitler even if they cared to.
 
And let's face it, Eastern Poland is better off under the occupation of TTL's version of the USSR than the Third Reich; they're not up for democracy of the year but they're still appreciably less unpleasant than the fascists.

Though in the OTL 320,000 poles were deported to Siberia and estimated that 150,000 Poles were pretty much flat out just perished under soviet rule which I don't believe includes the polish solders the soviets flat out took out in the woods and slaughtered during their invasion after said solders had surrendered and doesn't include the soviets later in the war apparently letting the nazis wipe out the polish resistance for them during the Warsaw uprising in 1944 while doing their best to prevent any allied air support from helping the poles.

hopefully sort of thing won't happen though in this timeline or at least be somewhat mediated.
 
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Apologies if this has been answered before, but I'm surprised the UASR rolled with the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact/the Soviets just swallowing Eastern Poland. Were they aware of the agreement beforehand? If they weren't, I can't imagine they'll be sanguine about their allies quietly collaborating with the Nazis.
It's not something they were aware about it until it was already fait accompli. And it has seriously strained relations, on top of the controversy from what has been known publicly about the Great Purge.

But ultimately there's very little they could do about it, and they're not going to break the international, especially with war on the horizon
Just as well, Foster and his Central Committee are almost subject to removal over their lack of action after the revelation. These efforts fail in part because of war preparations.
 
Just as well, Foster and his Central Committee are almost subject to removal over their lack of action after the revelation. These efforts fail in part because of war preparations.
I would certainly hope that a near-miss like that would put the fear of God into them, because frankly they kind of deserve it for letting the Soviets get away with a pact with fascists right under their noses.
 
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