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Project Prometheus (Original Setting Superhero Quest)

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I am firmly of the opinion that we should do the action to put up community centers and stuff in the Apiary. It's not just about the actual Rep stat, I want to live up to what LL has said about how heroism is a form of solidarity. Justice Unlimited should care for others, and be cared for in turn.

Besides which, Soraia and Shelley would be happy if we did that. And it might be good for John Henry's peace of mind.

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The portly man holds up a hand. "Nothing, Dr. Rhodes. And might I say, Sandra is looking lovely today? She's driving Nathan to school—terribly inconvenient that there's nothing in the Apiary for him to attend at the moment—and it would be such a shame if their car were diverted to a road closer to the NID. Why, she could be caught in traffic just as a mine planted by Acid Rain misfires and accidently melts them and every other motorist on the freeway."
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Augur's not our ally. But is he wrong on this? No he isn't. It's safer and better for the community to spend some money on putting up works of public good.
 
Pro: T10s are how you get Black Swan and Valiant Gold
Con: lower tolerances generate more deniability, allow for a measured response to things, and let different characters and different stories get written. Thor + Thor + Thor + Iron Man is not an interesting superhero story even if it does give you a lot of power to work with. Solving problems within constraints inspires more creativity.
Pro: But T10s don't need creativity
Con: they just need a lot of time and money and neither is a thing we have in abundance.

Around and around it goes for hundreds of posts.
 
Barondoctor said:
Around and around it goes for hundreds of posts.
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And hundreds more you will read, until we hit ten thousand pages like that Warhammer quest.

There's also the "Pro" argument of "We're getting screwed sideways by overwhelming enemy force so we need to quickly increase power level", and then someone goes "We're really not, we've actually been doing pretty well", then "Well every update it seems like there's a new threat", "But we've been winning all our battles", and so on.
 
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I'm firmly on the side of doing Song at P6, and wouldn't be opposed to doing Soraia at a lower potency either.

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Although, we might have a somewhat skewed perspective on what constitutes a metahuman's "class". P6 is fairly high end B class, and P8 is A class, according to the samples table.
 
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I don't see much need to empowering people other than Cain (seems like people want more exposure to him anyways before empowering) and maybe Song (need it to fit Deadman in effectively, bigger boost relatively speaking).
 
Parabola said:
I am firmly of the opinion that we should do the action to put up community centers and stuff in the Apiary. It's not just about the actual Rep stat, I want to live up to what LL has said about how heroism is a form of solidarity. Justice Unlimited should care for others, and be cared for in turn.
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Yeah. Horizon doesn't have any free public utilities after all.
Plus, Katie should get to interact with people her age and go to school without fear that she get attacked for being a power copier.
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I'm firmly on the side of doing Song at P6, and wouldn't be opposed to doing Soraia at a lower potency either.
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I see Soraia as firmly a support (either healing or teleportation). Elemental powers are the only exception but that's because I really want to use Automne's DNA.
 
StarSingerBlue said:
Yeah. Horizon doesn't have any free public utilities after all.
Plus, Katie should get to interact with people her age and go to school without fear that she get attacked for being a power copier.

I see Soraia as firmly a support (either healing or teleportation). Elemental powers are the only exception but that's because I really want to use Automne's DNA.
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Unfortunately the lowest real support DNA we have is P3, which doesn't leave a lot of room to really build around at low potency. Most of the low potency DNA are combat spec, with only Multiplex and Hunch as non-fighters among the P1-2s, and those lend themselves more for ESP builds than support.

Teleportation needs Memoria at P4, which severely limits what other support powers we can put on there. (Although doing Memoria+Chatroom for P7 doesn't sound bad?). As for healing, it would definitely be great to get some but I suspect it's a synergy that will need to be high potency.

Also just because, I put together a kind of weird non-direct combat sort of druid build:

Wild Speaker (3) + Sewer Rat (3) + Multiplex (1)
Potency: 7
Mental Manipulation + Ally Empowerment + Transformation x2 + Enhanced Senses + Self Enhancement

The general idea here is using Wild Speaker to set the target for the other powers and potentially discarding the Self Enhancement tag, then applying the rest as buffs to some trained animals, such as dogs. With Sewer Rat's size changing comboing with Multiplexe's transformation to allow them turn into different animals, or create a sort of hybrid form, and further enhancing it with the leftover aspects like Sewer Rat's steel hair. Also, possibly usable on Menagerie Witch's constructs, either directly applied to the constructs or buffing Maddie's animals before she uses her power on them.
 
ArgentThyme said:
Unfortunately the lowest real support DNA we have is P3, which doesn't leave a lot of room to really build around at low potency.
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Currently pretty sure the best unique option we've got for hard support build at midcostish is like iSpy/Mr. Hunch/Miss Conception for 8 cost and fitting Soraia starting at 5. If willing to give 1 spoonful I'd probably give her Millions just to cover her having some defenses and so she could use the mines + tagged objects + the sensory shifting to play magical hats.
 
Pawn Lelouch said:
Currently pretty sure the best unique option we've got for hard support build at midcostish is like iSpy/Mr. Hunch/Miss Conception for 8 cost and fitting Soraia starting at 5. If willing to give 1 spoonful I'd probably give her Millions just to cover her having some defenses and so she could use the mines + tagged objects + the sensory shifting to play magical hats.
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This leans hard into ESP, though, and while it would be good we're already really heavy on ESP and at least personally I'd like to do something a little different.
 
In more serious talk, I remember at the time that I thought Crusade was an obvious pawn of the Mysteries given the involvement of Powers and such. But then we learned that the Horae Guard was in fact commanded by a different shadowy conspiracy that hates the shit out of the Hand of Mysteries. So, what's up with Crusade's creation? Did they not know Faust was Moon Over Crown?
 
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ArgentThyme said:
This leans hard into ESP, though, and while it would be good we're already really heavy on ESP and at least personally I'd like to do something a little different.
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That's not really true though? So prior to Katie and Yara joining we have 58 Hit, 45 Esp, 53 Rep, and 46 Ops. I'm minorly ignoring Yara as things aren't wholy sure with how her stats will end up.

Katie brings those numbers up to 64/52/51/53, where hit is outpacing the other 3 stats by a decent margin but Esp and Ops are lagging less. Soraia has hit low enough on a hard support build that it likely ends up a dump stat regardless, and her highest stat is Rep which is one of the weirdest to really raise power wise.

So Esp and Ops are probably the best stats to raise up here where I think iSpy + Miss Conception would have a pretty good chance of raising both decently well. It would also come with a very nice cover element due to the powers largely being literally invisible and the type where arguably she could just pretend she doesn't have a power and do backline support ala Wolong if we really wanted that.

On the character front, let's put the bar for Esp being good at having it at 7 or it being trainable to 7. Leizi, Handyman, Menagerie Witch, Katie, and Doctor Silver reach that, where only Leizi and Handyman are really trained on that front.
 
BrainInAJar said:
In more serious talk, I remember at the time that I thought Crusade was an obvious pawn of the Mysteries given the involvement of Powers and such. But then we learned that the Horae Guard was in fact commanded by a different shadowy conspiracy that in fact hates the shit out of the Hand of Mysteries. So, what's up with Crusade's creation? Did they not know Faust was Moon Over Crown?
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Faust was combining the power of Dominion, Osanyin, and AGL, and they had no ground game. They decided to spare some minor assets to get a foothold on Horizon, which has worked out splendidly for White Hawk them. While they're no fan of Faust, they know he's distinct from Trismegistus
 
Pawn Lelouch said:
That's not really true though? So prior to Katie and Yara joining we have 58 Hit, 45 Esp, 53 Rep, and 46 Ops. I'm minorly ignoring Yara as things aren't wholy sure with how her stats will end up.

Katie brings those numbers up to 64/52/51/53, where hit is outpacing the other 3 stats by a decent margin but Esp and Ops are lagging less. Soraia has hit low enough on a hard support build that it likely ends up a dump stat regardless, and her highest stat is Rep which is one of the weirdest to really raise power wise.

So Esp and Ops are probably the best stats to raise up here where I think iSpy + Miss Conception would have a pretty good chance of raising both decently well. It would also come with a very nice cover element due to the powers largely being literally invisible and the type where arguably she could just pretend she doesn't have a power and do backline support ala Wolong if we really wanted that.

On the character front, let's put the bar for Esp being good at having it at 7 or it being trainable to 7. Leizi, Handyman, Menagerie Witch, Katie, and Doctor Silver reach that, where only Leizi and Handyman are really trained on that front.
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Guess I was mistaken then, although I was counting Yara as being a high ESP build since it's got a ton of powers that would be good for that.
 
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