Hm? What are you referring to with this?
Project Prometheus (Original Setting Superhero Quest)
Kermie
Surprisingly Not A Frog
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- Somewhere On The Planet
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…do you want the annotated list? Because I can make one pretty easily.
Kermie
Surprisingly Not A Frog
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I wasn't kidding, y'know. Cooked up in five minutes, presenting:
All The Things That Are Wrong With Stockpile/Silvio (And Why He's So Cooked)
- Being an orphan (oof)
- Being an Algernon.
- Related to above, having to deal with the Rebound.
- Having his one mother figure be the one person in Horizon who is on all the drugs minus Lethal Anodyne's.
- Having said mother figure die to the whims of a country he has never seen or visited before, which is lowkey Christofacist but he really doesn't want to think about that because then what were the people he loved fighting for?
- Having some of the people he grew up around be "wonderful people" like Joules.
- Getting his head messed with by Hand/Seraph/the Ladder.
- Using a prison to slowly kill people (even if they're criminals), which he is trying to fruitlessly justify in order to fruitlessly stave off the inevitable degeneration of his memories and eventual death by Rebound.
- Being a teenager.
- Having his crush(?) hate him.
- Constantly ruining something new every time he speaks. (Literally, there's not a single time where he spoke as VJ and made things better.)
- Dealing with grief without a single responsible adult to help him.
- Asking for help and then being told that he's disgusting, literally trash (By Ellie)
daedalus725
Kell of Kells, godking of Planet X
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- Daedalus crater, The moon
Sometimes the lie is easier than to believe than your mom/dad figure did a fuck up
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They had a "reliable source" confirm the Movement was going to happen, and intentionally used it to kill Justicar (presumably while having her do something secret in the chaos)
No, she was also on drugs made by Lethal Anodyne.
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I wonder how deep it would cut if someone said to his face that all of this is because of his mommy issues.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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So? It would not at all be a huge stretch to go from 'our informant tells us Valiant Silver thinks someone is trying to wake up the Leviathan' to 'well clearly that informant had the details wrong'.
And while it is suspicious that Justiciar was sent to the Movement despite her power being of no use against Behemoths, it's not actually in the interests of the Global Justice higher-ups to kill off Justiciar by sending her on a suicide mission, because she was the biggest factor in letting them have a piece of Horizon.
You have not actually presented proof that Stockpile's superiors might know who really caused the Movement, or that Stockpile would know of that.
One other piece I think we as OOC observers totally fail to grapple with is the video from Uiara.
Remember how people trust and respect Uiara like no other hero in Horizon?
Remember how Wolong used his power to check the video, and found "Not only is it real, but the Uiara in the video sincerely believes every word she is saying"?
Remember how Silvio used his power to check the video, and found "Uiara's warning is real! I checked it over and over again, even with my power! It's not a fake!"?
We're playing as Justice Unlimited. We can totally disregard the video. But it's remarkable how far afield our speculation has to go to do so -- to the point of wondering if this is video is from an alternate-universe Uiara!
If you're not our team, or incredibly closely allied with it? If you're a random citizen of Horizon? Or hell, if you're Silvio, subject to all the forces Kermie mentioned? Why on earth wouldn't you believe the video is utterly real and true, and act accordingly?
Remember how people trust and respect Uiara like no other hero in Horizon?
Remember how Wolong used his power to check the video, and found "Not only is it real, but the Uiara in the video sincerely believes every word she is saying"?
Remember how Silvio used his power to check the video, and found "Uiara's warning is real! I checked it over and over again, even with my power! It's not a fake!"?
We're playing as Justice Unlimited. We can totally disregard the video. But it's remarkable how far afield our speculation has to go to do so -- to the point of wondering if this is video is from an alternate-universe Uiara!
If you're not our team, or incredibly closely allied with it? If you're a random citizen of Horizon? Or hell, if you're Silvio, subject to all the forces Kermie mentioned? Why on earth wouldn't you believe the video is utterly real and true, and act accordingly?
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ThaTrueRealmWalk
A blob of Galaxy, watching you through the Screen.
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Actually, that brings up a really good point:
Do you realize the reveal of that Uiara being a clone would do? Like-
That is clear evidence that someone is wanting to blame JU for something so bad that they would make a clone of Uiara that believes what she's saying just to pin the blame more on Valiant Silver.
Like... isn't that an open and cut case of "We LITTERALLY can't trust what Crusades says anymore" for the public?
chellewalker
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Even assuming that was a Uiara clone (which I would think Wolong would have picked up on given how off the SB clones are), it'll be hard to prove SB made a Uiara clone since we just iced the one she had already made and I don't think we'll let her be in the position to make another.
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To be fair, Plasticity and Perspective, if they're good at their jobs, will bring it up when they debrief for their After Action Report to Silvio. That would at least give some plausible deniability.
ThaTrueRealmWalk
A blob of Galaxy, watching you through the Screen.
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- Inside this TV
did... didn't the last chapter... confirm it was a clone?
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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The Uiara in the video has effectively been confirmed several times over of not being a clone - not only did Wolong and Silvio go 'this isnt fake', but Moon River went 'I dont know how they faked it' and Belle repeated both in that same update and in Eidolon 1.0 that the clones' biggest tell is that they can't express genuine emotions.
That said... Publicly, if we have to reveal Socialite Butterfly's existence after we kill her, we could go "who is to say if the Uiara in the video was a clone or not? I'm not sure I believe it all that much."
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ThaTrueRealmWalk
A blob of Galaxy, watching you through the Screen.
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oh... okay
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My point isn't that we lie and blame it on SB, it's just to point out that it does throw a degree of a wrench into their point. We just need, like I said, plausible deniability.
I mean, have we actually considered the possibility that this was not in fact anything other than genuine?
Like there's plenty of things we can go to say "Hey they're wrong about this" but hey, what if it's 100% on the level legit, real, and on the level? No conditionals, no weird loopholes, just
Uiara has some legitimate real evidence that Nora was in the process of engaging in a fuck up the likes of which not seen, it caused the movement, and it was intentional and all that jazz?
Like there's plenty of things we can go to say "Hey they're wrong about this" but hey, what if it's 100% on the level legit, real, and on the level? No conditionals, no weird loopholes, just
Uiara has some legitimate real evidence that Nora was in the process of engaging in a fuck up the likes of which not seen, it caused the movement, and it was intentional and all that jazz?
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If it was actually true, the shadow conspiracy wouldn't need to try anywhere near this hard to prove it.
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Outside of the IC stuff already mentioned, Bitterman has basically just confirmed it was not a SB clone that caused it as well based on people in the thread running with it repeatedly.
Parabola
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Because...
We know this is false. Uiara was capable of stopping Nora, she got the rest of the team sans LL to vote to effectively retire her for her own good. They did know Nora like Yazmin knew her. They did see how far gone she was.
And most damningly, as far as we know she wasn't planning some sort of grand project, or it'd have gotten brought up before.
Hence the theory that this is somehow from a different timeline, where Nora/the Woman-in-Blue had other team-members that didn't actually want to stop Nora.
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daedalus725
Kell of Kells, godking of Planet X
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Unfortunately we have like one person on the team who doesn't have mommy issues
The probelem with the video is Uirra could coup Nora to extend her life vut didnt bring the others to force Nora to stop or reveal whay shes doing is way to weird.
We know harper would have supported her and neither of trio would be adverse to telling the team about prometheus if they really demanded.
We know harper would have supported her and neither of trio would be adverse to telling the team about prometheus if they really demanded.
One thing I've been thinking about based on the last chapter —
We've speculated that WiB is from an alt-universe based on the mention of Yemoja/etc.
But what if she's from an alt-timeline instead? That is, from a timeline that has since been wiped or reset?
Now that we know more about Augur, it seems quite plausible. Assuming his power does involve time looping, it seems doubtful that early Movement would have been on his Golden Path. And we've also seen that the formation of NuGen/JU was very contingent — if a little changed, it could have gone very differently, or not worked out at all.
We've speculated that WiB is from an alt-universe based on the mention of Yemoja/etc.
But what if she's from an alt-timeline instead? That is, from a timeline that has since been wiped or reset?
Now that we know more about Augur, it seems quite plausible. Assuming his power does involve time looping, it seems doubtful that early Movement would have been on his Golden Path. And we've also seen that the formation of NuGen/JU was very contingent — if a little changed, it could have gone very differently, or not worked out at all.
My Thing is, we have a video that to all indications is 100% legitimate.
Alternate Timeline shenanigans aside, the question is what if this is legitimate.
Just unambiguously so. Because if it actually is legit, the question is what the hell are we missing.
Like is it a "I found some shit, confronted her, it wasn't as serious as it looked" or a "I found some shit, convinced her not to, but this was a genuine Just in case shit went wrong thing"
Did Nora do something she shouldn't have?
Alternate Timeline shenanigans aside, the question is what if this is legitimate.
Just unambiguously so. Because if it actually is legit, the question is what the hell are we missing.
Like is it a "I found some shit, confronted her, it wasn't as serious as it looked" or a "I found some shit, convinced her not to, but this was a genuine Just in case shit went wrong thing"
Did Nora do something she shouldn't have?
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We know from the EXCEED fill in that the crux of the issue- V1 EXCEED was fueled by the Leviathan- was bunk. She used her Algernon time for that.