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Project Prometheus (Original Setting Superhero Quest)

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EternalObserver said:
Wouldn't this be "even if it kills me!" ?

Going to another topic, assuming we actually recruit Yara this turn, do you guys think we should prioritize her for Project Prometheus, or do we still go with our original plan of going Song?

Personally , I'd go Song to maintain our cover of not having metahuman projects going on, as well as giving as a frontliner. I've accounted for Belle Sabreuse' position long before I've pitched about Song, and I think I still want him in that position.

With that said, with how much psychic damage we've been receiving, I understand if some might want to boost Yara up right away into becoming our psychic as defense against future psychic encounters as well as additional point of contact with R-Train.

It's that Rep and Luck nat 1, ain't it…..
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Yara then After succeeding in R-Train Song in the Middle of T4. The only Reason we need to save up our 4th Ambrosia is in Case R-Train doesnt let us buy Ambrosia for Noelle Girls.
 
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EternalObserver said:
Going to another topic, assuming we actually recruit Yara this turn, do you guys think we should prioritize her for Project Prometheus, or do we still go with our original plan of going Song?
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Probably depends on if we go to any Crusade related missions/Third Person/maybe deep into the LPP mission line. Both of them should be up by the time that we start the Fellowship mission chain which is the next major scary event chain to our knowledge so its not too big of a deal. If we're not doing those missions though I'd probably say Song first?

Gives us more chances to ask synergy questions and lets us claim a small amount of time helping her learn control for a cover story if need be.
 
Wing101r said:
Yara then After succeeding in R-Train Song in the Middle of T4. The only Reason we need to save up our 4th Ambrosia is in Case R-Train doesnt let us buy Ambrosia for Noelle Girls.
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With a limited GA and money, I was forwarding that question under the assumption that we're picking one, in addition to the fact that we have Demon Flamez. i know the two recruits ain't a guarantee, but still. Granted, the money part could be solved if we encounter the named Behemoth mentioned at R-Train mission

Among the Global Actions (we have 6, I think? With Sarah, John Henry, and Chihiro added), we're likely taking in priority

1) Project Prometheus
2) Spoonful of Sugar (if we're boosting Yara hypothetically)
3) Apiary expansion (expanding hero slot by 1)
4) Spider Web (iirc this is being moved to GA)
5) Merchandising (cause we gotta increase our income some more)
6) I Fear Not the Man Who Has Practices 10,000 Kicks (I want that LL Hit boost)
7) Undiagnosed ADHD (potentially useful mystery box)
8) Legally Distinct Shields (because they are always useful)
9) get VG an in-built motorcycle
 
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LucidProp said:
Scarlet Maturity involved because he's not going to be able to resist the allure of fighting someone who can relive his literal greatest hits (to the face).
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That's conditional on Socialite Butterfly having successfully copied S+ rankers. I'm not discounting the possibility, seeing as she is able to operate completely undetected and has access to a weird memory field. But for one reason or another a lot of the best in class (King, Augur, Mendicant, etc.) are reclusive or act idiosyncratically. If she secretly has King or Apiary or equivalents waiting in the basement she would've won already.
 
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Every offputtingly autistic person in horizon gets forced to do improv comedy to prove they aren't clones, and there's running superhuman battles all over the city

 
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EternalObserver said:
Among the Global Actions (we have 6, I think? With Sarah, John Henry, and Chihiro added), we're likely taking in priority

1) Project Prometheus
2) Spoonful of Sugar (if we're boosting Yara hypothetically)
3) Apiary expansion (expanding hero slot by 1)
4) Spider Web (iirc this is being moved to GA)
5) Merchandising (cause we gotta increase our income some more)
6) I Fear Not the Man Who Has Practices 10,000 Kicks (I want that LL Hit boost)
7) Undiagnosed ADHD (potentially useful mystery box)
8) Legally Distinct Shields (because they are always useful)
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Yeah, its at 6 globals I think. Pretty sure Prometheus, LL hit boost, and merchandising are locked in regardless of who we're turning into a hero.

Prometheus for raising someone, a free stat boost is nice and the QM has been hitting us over the head with it, and merchandising is a source of consistent income which we need. The rest just kind of depends on money really and if we get any during the personals this turn.

No money means we eye up the mystery box, shields, improving MW's menagerie, etc (Spider Web if its moved over, ??? on if the motorcycle costs income). Imo it'd be Spider's Web > mystery box > the rest by a fair margin in terms of directly advancing things for us.

If we have money, we probably do 1-2 of Spoonful/an Apiary expansion and make the final 1-2 actions be from the former group.
 
Suleverf said:
That's conditional on Socialite Butterfly having successfully copied S+ rankers. I'm not discounting the possibility, seeing as she is able to operate completely undetected and has access to a weird memory field. But for one reason or another a lot of the best in class (King, Augur, Mendicant, etc.) are reclusive or act idiosyncratically. If she secretly has King or Apiary or equivalents waiting in the basement she would've won already.
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The impression I get is that while SB can mimic someone's powerset, she can't actually mimic their experience at using them.

The impression I get is that she has to choose between "Can produce a lot of clones but have very limited autonomy and functionally zero creativity", or "Can produce one clone and have it very convincingly mimic the personality of who she copied (Which is probably what was done for the Uiara thing--unless it literally was Uiara doing it, but she was under high end mind control at the time--we do know the Philosophers seem to love their fucking telepath bullshit), but she still can't make the clone do something she can't wrap her head around personally, so the higher end Metahumans who deal with exotic bullshit are too risky for her to want to play around with given how bad fucking up can be, and all of them fundamentally lack agency--so they have no ability to volunteer information either. Easy if, say, you want to have one read out a script and genuinely believe in what it's saying. Not so easy to clone someone and then interrogate them for all their secrets. That'd probably cause Resonance if the clones were that perfect, and we know she can clone the powers of people who are still alive. It's not causing Resonance, so therefore it can't be a mental copy.

So like, if she were to copy Black Swan, she'd get the Hit 9 version from the start of the game. Sure, that's a dangerous A-lister, but that's not the "Candidate for strongest Metahuman" which Mona is. Even if she copied Black Swan's powers and personality, she wouldn't be able to just instantly deduce the weirder edge-case stuff like Hypernovae Mode and Lightspeed Dash, and probably wouldn't want to risk trying it and fucking up because that kills everyone in the same area code and presumably she can't actually survive being in the splash zone of a superheavy nuclear fusion reaction.

Ultimately, she's an Ops and Espionage S-lister, with an arbitrary amount of tools in her box, but the more she tries to use at once, the less effective they presumably become, because a lot boils down to Experience being the god stat, and it doesn't matter if you have a toolkit full of Every Tool if you don't have the time or inclination to master any of them.
 
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Wait. If Seraph didn't do the psi-scream, then logically it must have been another clone. It's not just Clone New Dawn.

Also did Bitterman just admit that he fudged things with Mona to get her FFM, like he did with John? Is Rhys the only combo we lucked into without nudging by him?
 
Alectai said:
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Not even 9. Mona started as 8 and had to actually train a bit to get 9 and figure out both how not kill people and other stuff like top speed.

Orbmorb said:
The more we learn about premovement JU's communication troubles the more I think the Uiara video might be the real Yazmin.
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True but why shed trust her dad rather than forcing adamant and ll to cough up info is still the big red flag to me.
 
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ScorpioSting said:
I desperately want to do one Gadget Gacha because I love gambling getting Mona a psiblocker would help patch up her weakness.
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I'm willing to support this because there are other minor actions I wish to take
Orbmorb said:
Every offputtingly autistic person in horizon gets forced to do improv comedy to prove they aren't clones, and there's running superhuman battles all over the city
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More reason I think trying flush her out that way is worse
 
Wing101r said:
True but why shed trust her dad rather than forcing adamant and ll to cough up info is still the big red flag to me.
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There seems to be some link between Uihara, Osayin the first metahuman, and the Interlocutor that we don't know about. Its quite possible that her family has privileged information about the nature of the Stage, Powers, or the Leviathan itself. One could reasonably conclude that its because of that connection/knowledge that Uihara reached out to her father. The video we saw also could have had crucial context removed as well.
 
Hexxart said:
There seems to be some link between Uihara, Osayin the first metahuman, and the Interlocutor that we don't know about. Its quite possible that her family has privileged information about the nature of the Stage, Powers, or the Leviathan itself. One could reasonably conclude that its because of that connection/knowledge that Uihara reached out to her father. The video we saw also could have had crucial context removed as well.
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I meant more if Uirra was really worried about VS fucking around with Leviathan why she didnt confront her about it.

Uirra is both hotheaded enough to punch Harpers parents when seeing their abnormality and pretty much coup VS to extend her life.

Why she didnt just go punching to find out wahts going on from her team is too weird to me.
 
Alectai said:
The impression I get is that while SB can mimic someone's powerset, she can't actually mimic their experience at using them.

The impression I get is that she has to choose between "Can produce a lot of clones but have very limited autonomy and functionally zero creativity", or "Can produce one clone and have it very convincingly mimic the personality of who she copied (Which is probably what was done for the Uiara thing--unless it literally was Uiara doing it, but she was under high end mind control at the time--we do know the Philosophers seem to love their fucking telepath bullshit), but she still can't make the clone do something she can't wrap her head around personally, so the higher end Metahumans who deal with exotic bullshit are too risky for her to want to play around with given how bad fucking up can be, and all of them fundamentally lack agency--so they have no ability to volunteer information either. Easy if, say, you want to have one read out a script and genuinely believe in what it's saying. Not so easy to clone someone and then interrogate them for all their secrets. That'd probably cause Resonance if the clones were that perfect, and we know she can clone the powers of people who are still alive. It's not causing Resonance, so therefore it can't be a mental copy.

So like, if she were to copy Black Swan, she'd get the Hit 9 version from the start of the game. Sure, that's a dangerous A-lister, but that's not the "Candidate for strongest Metahuman" which Mona is. Even if she copied Black Swan's powers and personality, she wouldn't be able to just instantly deduce the weirder edge-case stuff like Hypernovae Mode and Lightspeed Dash, and probably wouldn't want to risk trying it and fucking up because that kills everyone in the same area code and presumably she can't actually survive being in the splash zone of a superheavy nuclear fusion reaction.

Ultimately, she's an Ops and Espionage S-lister, with an arbitrary amount of tools in her box, but the more she tries to use at once, the less effective they presumably become, because a lot boils down to Experience being the god stat, and it doesn't matter if you have a toolkit full of Every Tool if you don't have the time or inclination to master any of them.
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Yeah, I'm in full agreement, and I hope that more clones = less complexity, either because of inherent power limitations or because she needs to spend more time with them telling them exactly what to do and how to respond to certain things.

If she copied Rhys, for instance, it'd probably be a really ineffective clone - his power is all about using his Autobiokinesis imaginatively, just telling the clone 'smash that dude' is going to be way less effective than anything Rhys could come up with on his own. It might be, for all we know, effectively a blob of clay trying to form fists.

I have to hope that her clones having zero imagination means that she can't use Algernon clones effectively, because that power enhances the user's minds, the knowledge builds up over time, and the clones are short-lived. Wolong's power, meanwhile, seems to give answers way more directly, which sadly means it's very usable for her.

ScorpioSting said:
Wait. If Seraph didn't do the psi-scream, then logically it must have been another clone. It's not just Clone New Dawn.
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Yeah, unless a Dreamcatcher clone can somehow dream and specifically dream of a telepath, she's gotta have at least one non-New-Dawn clone here... Though I'd hope that psychic screams are the closest that she can weaponize telepath clones! Telepathy should logically be something that should require concentration and complex thinking, not merely instructions given to a construct.
 
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I was just wondering if it was truly random and everything in it is equally nice or if it's like "20 is a total jackpot, 1 is goofy or niche or flawed, 15 is better than 5, bigger number better"
 
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