[X] Write-in: "...Who's Adil?"
Just curious to see if it'll work.
Just curious to see if it'll work.
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Palace of Greed, El Dorado (Library of Ruina)
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[X] "… Are you still alive, out there?"
Nottheunmaker
Altman be praised
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This has possibilities... but we have no idea how real this is. And consider, even if somehow Iris has an answer, which mind you is not impossible because of the fuckery going on here, then she can answer questions Adil never could, and tell Lily things she needs to hear from her. So I'd advise against it.
If I was going ask questions like that, I'd go with-
[ ] "...Do you know what was done to me?"
In reference to Lily not staying dead. It's not something natural too her. Something was done to her.
[X] "… Are you still alive, out there?"
I wouldn't bet on this at all.
As an example of what weird shit can be natural, Iori's Book says the following.
Book of the Purple Tear said:
WanderingTwix
Posting something good once in a full moon
- Location
- United Kingdom
[X] "… I miss you. I love you."
- Location
- Miami
[X] "… I miss you. I love you."
We cannot miss this. Lily has to express her [positive] feelings for someone at some point. While this is definitely not a perfect moment, it is a moment.
I do this ignoring the small voice saying this is a trap option that would lower Lily's sanity due to plainly expressing gratitude being a neurotic trigger for her, or something.
I can't come up with a poem for this, geez.
We cannot miss this. Lily has to express her [positive] feelings for someone at some point. While this is definitely not a perfect moment, it is a moment.
I do this ignoring the small voice saying this is a trap option that would lower Lily's sanity due to plainly expressing gratitude being a neurotic trigger for her, or something.
I can't come up with a poem for this, geez.
WanderingTwix
Posting something good once in a full moon
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- United Kingdom
Fortunately, SC has confirmed that this will not be the case.
- Location
- Earth
- Pronouns
- He/Him/They/Them
Hey I'm fine with Tsundere's... as long as they aren't the abusive kind. There's a line and Lily doesn't seem to be the kind of girl that would cross it. She's psychologically/emotionally scarred, Not a piece of shit. Also It's the city It's safe to assume things won't be easy... but we just have to get strong enough so that we won't lose Lily's potential future partner
thePUNisher
Unbothered. Moisturized. Happy. In My Lane
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@SoothingCoffee Congrats on having the quest break 150 pages Cafeine Man. If there's one quest ttat deserves this attention it's this one.
If we can get past that, Lily should be able to at least visit Kai. Like even a helicopter parent has to let her kid have one friend.
Like others said, I don't think the fail condition for the Wonderland's coming is not beating her so much as Lily not being able to admit her and Kai's relationship stretch past the Scarecrow Office.
If we can get past that, Lily should be able to at least visit Kai. Like even a helicopter parent has to let her kid have one friend.
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Now that I've had a bit to digest, I wanted to dig into each vote, because they say things, and I think they deserve things said back.
The reason this is first is because it's always been the first question on Lily's mind.
(Rest in pieces Victor. You bitch)
Hang on a second.
Oh. Lily's dad used to call Landlord Lin Linny.
I see.
With that soulscathing reminder of why I don't touch the last chapter with a twenty foot pole, let me, get back into how Lily's first potential question being why Iris left her, is that Lily is most concerned with being left and leaving people behind, it's why she doesn't get close to people, she feels abandoned and she doesn't want to do the abandoning herself (I'd quote the relevant chapters but that's just about every fucking chapter, so no), so she sits on the question and seethes, because it's easier to contemplate that, her parents are to blame, they did something wrong, than–
–To grapple with memories that suggest anything different.
Whatever this specter of Iris is, she won't say what Victor's image of her did, that it's because Lily didn't love her parents enough (incel cunt bullshit), she won't make it her fault, and, that absolution might be what lets Lily absolve her parents of what she's blamed them for, what her life's been in their absence.
This is the WOW option, the Denial Stage to the following's Bargaining (I'd been curious about why these two were put in the order they were, given the reverse has more punctuative flow, but thinking of it that way is neat), and probably the choice that'll put Lily the closest to admitting she understands why Moon self-destructed in desperation to remain in his own comforting dream. Getting this "weak" impulse off her chest instead of putting it aside for the job, it'd let Lily confront and oppose the sentiment in herself more directly, not to mention that it'd be, pretty interesting to think about whether Iris would do "her job" or gently rebuke Lily for leaving things half done, the way things are going...
Third verse, same as the second, mostly, it's a much more hesitant framing of the sentiment, one that'll probably dive deeper into what Lily actually has on the outside that surpasses, is more real than what she wants to stay here for, and maybe just gets into the actual logistics and metaphysical whatnot of how long this place would even last if Lily stuck around, like a dream vacation's nice until you get really cozy and the battery runs out (said battery being Moon's life when Mao has to beat him to death on her own, best case scenario), how embarrassing.
I think this would be the first time Lily's said I love you to someone.
I'm not sure this being said to a version of her mom who won't exist after this arc is over is more or less soulcrushing than the alternative of Lily never consciously getting to tell her parent she loves her.
This is raw and I'm gonna lie down.
Lily is making the attempt to have hope for reality here and that's extremely brave of her, however futile this question ends up. She's spent all this time telling herself her parents died in a ditch, and hearing Lin say things like:
So Lily letting herself believe that maybe, maybe the City hasn't taken everything she's thought is has, mm, there are things there, maybe an even more poisonous sort of denial than wanting to stay in the comforting dream, but the light at the end of the tunnel is always such an enticing draught.
See, the fact that we get this question at all tells me it's more important than people realize, because like.
If Yomi is just Moon's world than why the fuck is it like this.
Iris isn't gross enough, she's, defined, beyond the way Moon and Lily's mentalities should paint her, philosophical in manner that contradicts the meeting of minds that supposedly created her, and it's like what Whiskas said:
The Collective Unconscious is a very real power in this setting, it's how Whispers of the City would've ramped up Lily's Instinct, it's how the Index functions, drawing out slips of paper from everyone's mashed together intrusive thoughts to pay tribute to the unthinking Id of the City, so Skaimounm's desperation defense being able to, what, carve an inlet channel into it, draw people away from him but otherwise not being under his direction? That'd jive with the narrative and metaphysics as we've seen them.
Thus, Lily asking what this place is might give her a genuinely rare grasp on the structural underpinning of how her world works, and the options that come about from that comprehension, that this isn't a petty trick unique to Moon, to be dismissed as white noise, are interesting.
Now, not to shill my own bill–
–But I wanted to thank everyone who's made this my most successful write-in yet ("You mean the only write-in anyone but you's voted for–" "Shut it") and get into the meta of why it came to me in the first place, as while the exact details are up to Soothing's interpretation, a lot of this arc speaks to me as, Lily getting ice dunked with the fact she's been lonelier and more people want-y than she's acknowledged in herself for all these years, and now here she is, faced with a wonderful illusion of the closest tie she's lost, willing to admit she's happier here...The thought that she'd open herself up to ask Iris if she'll ever move on, that she's hurt, that she wants to heal, and what Iris would say to this, when she should just be an expression of Moon's deception, but says all these genuine things like:
That acknowledge that Lily's survived without her, that Lily's flourished, made new connections, it's just–Nothing could be more different than what Moon is you know? Or rather, this is the sentiment he represents in balance, rather than the bloated excess of obsession that is Skaimounm, So. I want to see what the illusion(?) says to that question. What she reiterates from the quoted bits, if she says something surprising and new, I want to hear how Iris responds to her daughter asking if she'll really be able to get better alone.
This is, secretly, also because I want to see Lily beat that answer into Moon's head in the final breath phase (if we can manage to scrape him off the floor for a tussle before Mao flash fries him anyway), that he could've had a future without Sun, accepted that he lost her and lived for himself, lived long enough to find new people he could have something real with, that the City can take everything from you, but if you don't let it take you from you, you'll find a future, no, make one with your own two hands, that's difficult and arduous and oh so satisfying, and if anyone's around you by then it'll be because you've bettered yourself to be worth a damn to the folks who are worthwhile (or you found others who are the same kind of sick in the head, a matter of perspective really). But Moon did let the City take himself from him, so his tomorrow's chomped down by the teeth of Lily's crowbar.
Is this going too hard on a narrative culminating conclusion for the first arc? Perhaps.
I think it's in the spirit of El Dorado to be a little greedy though.
Now that I'm done with this, a little in the "man I wish everything could win at once" mood again lads.
The reason this is first is because it's always been the first question on Lily's mind.
(Rest in pieces Victor. You bitch)
Hang on a second.
Oh. Lily's dad used to call Landlord Lin Linny.
I see.
With that soulscathing reminder of why I don't touch the last chapter with a twenty foot pole, let me, get back into how Lily's first potential question being why Iris left her, is that Lily is most concerned with being left and leaving people behind, it's why she doesn't get close to people, she feels abandoned and she doesn't want to do the abandoning herself (I'd quote the relevant chapters but that's just about every fucking chapter, so no), so she sits on the question and seethes, because it's easier to contemplate that, her parents are to blame, they did something wrong, than–
–To grapple with memories that suggest anything different.
Whatever this specter of Iris is, she won't say what Victor's image of her did, that it's because Lily didn't love her parents enough (incel cunt bullshit), she won't make it her fault, and, that absolution might be what lets Lily absolve her parents of what she's blamed them for, what her life's been in their absence.
This is the WOW option, the Denial Stage to the following's Bargaining (I'd been curious about why these two were put in the order they were, given the reverse has more punctuative flow, but thinking of it that way is neat), and probably the choice that'll put Lily the closest to admitting she understands why Moon self-destructed in desperation to remain in his own comforting dream. Getting this "weak" impulse off her chest instead of putting it aside for the job, it'd let Lily confront and oppose the sentiment in herself more directly, not to mention that it'd be, pretty interesting to think about whether Iris would do "her job" or gently rebuke Lily for leaving things half done, the way things are going...
Third verse, same as the second, mostly, it's a much more hesitant framing of the sentiment, one that'll probably dive deeper into what Lily actually has on the outside that surpasses, is more real than what she wants to stay here for, and maybe just gets into the actual logistics and metaphysical whatnot of how long this place would even last if Lily stuck around, like a dream vacation's nice until you get really cozy and the battery runs out (said battery being Moon's life when Mao has to beat him to death on her own, best case scenario), how embarrassing.
I think this would be the first time Lily's said I love you to someone.
I'm not sure this being said to a version of her mom who won't exist after this arc is over is more or less soulcrushing than the alternative of Lily never consciously getting to tell her parent she loves her.
This is raw and I'm gonna lie down.
Lily is making the attempt to have hope for reality here and that's extremely brave of her, however futile this question ends up. She's spent all this time telling herself her parents died in a ditch, and hearing Lin say things like:
So Lily letting herself believe that maybe, maybe the City hasn't taken everything she's thought is has, mm, there are things there, maybe an even more poisonous sort of denial than wanting to stay in the comforting dream, but the light at the end of the tunnel is always such an enticing draught.
See, the fact that we get this question at all tells me it's more important than people realize, because like.
If Yomi is just Moon's world than why the fuck is it like this.
Iris isn't gross enough, she's, defined, beyond the way Moon and Lily's mentalities should paint her, philosophical in manner that contradicts the meeting of minds that supposedly created her, and it's like what Whiskas said:
The Collective Unconscious is a very real power in this setting, it's how Whispers of the City would've ramped up Lily's Instinct, it's how the Index functions, drawing out slips of paper from everyone's mashed together intrusive thoughts to pay tribute to the unthinking Id of the City, so Skaimounm's desperation defense being able to, what, carve an inlet channel into it, draw people away from him but otherwise not being under his direction? That'd jive with the narrative and metaphysics as we've seen them.
Thus, Lily asking what this place is might give her a genuinely rare grasp on the structural underpinning of how her world works, and the options that come about from that comprehension, that this isn't a petty trick unique to Moon, to be dismissed as white noise, are interesting.
Now, not to shill my own bill–
–But I wanted to thank everyone who's made this my most successful write-in yet ("You mean the only write-in anyone but you's voted for–" "Shut it") and get into the meta of why it came to me in the first place, as while the exact details are up to Soothing's interpretation, a lot of this arc speaks to me as, Lily getting ice dunked with the fact she's been lonelier and more people want-y than she's acknowledged in herself for all these years, and now here she is, faced with a wonderful illusion of the closest tie she's lost, willing to admit she's happier here...The thought that she'd open herself up to ask Iris if she'll ever move on, that she's hurt, that she wants to heal, and what Iris would say to this, when she should just be an expression of Moon's deception, but says all these genuine things like:
That acknowledge that Lily's survived without her, that Lily's flourished, made new connections, it's just–Nothing could be more different than what Moon is you know? Or rather, this is the sentiment he represents in balance, rather than the bloated excess of obsession that is Skaimounm, So. I want to see what the illusion(?) says to that question. What she reiterates from the quoted bits, if she says something surprising and new, I want to hear how Iris responds to her daughter asking if she'll really be able to get better alone.
This is, secretly, also because I want to see Lily beat that answer into Moon's head in the final breath phase (if we can manage to scrape him off the floor for a tussle before Mao flash fries him anyway), that he could've had a future without Sun, accepted that he lost her and lived for himself, lived long enough to find new people he could have something real with, that the City can take everything from you, but if you don't let it take you from you, you'll find a future, no, make one with your own two hands, that's difficult and arduous and oh so satisfying, and if anyone's around you by then it'll be because you've bettered yourself to be worth a damn to the folks who are worthwhile (or you found others who are the same kind of sick in the head, a matter of perspective really). But Moon did let the City take himself from him, so his tomorrow's chomped down by the teeth of Lily's crowbar.
Is this going too hard on a narrative culminating conclusion for the first arc? Perhaps.
I think it's in the spirit of El Dorado to be a little greedy though.
Now that I'm done with this, a little in the "man I wish everything could win at once" mood again lads.
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- Location
- Miami
Thanks for the analysis, I got my motivation.
A Little Lily
Flowered In The City,
Feeling So Very Desirous.
Even With Her Greed,
She Saw Her Need
To Say Goodbye To Iris.
That analysis got me wanting to switch my vote but I need to hear these words from Lily.
A Little Lily
Flowered In The City,
Feeling So Very Desirous.
Even With Her Greed,
She Saw Her Need
To Say Goodbye To Iris.
That analysis got me wanting to switch my vote but I need to hear these words from Lily.
[X] "… Are you still alive, out there?"
[X] Write-in: "...You think, I'll ever learn to be okay on my own?"
[X] Write-in: "...You think, I'll ever learn to be okay on my own?"
SalsaDeGranada
Thankful for our Cradle's Graces
- Location
- Philippines
[X] "… I miss you. I love you."
thePUNisher
Unbothered. Moisturized. Happy. In My Lane
- Location
- Brazil
Looks like "I Love You" is winning by a fair margin. Out of all the options I think this is the one that will let Lily to get the most catharsis so I'm pretty happy with this
Anyway, between the Dreamers, Baya and Sura, the Loud Orchestra and Jeff Bezos, which do you all think will be the first antagonist we'll have to deal with? My money is on the Dreamers to be honest, their candles have been foreshadowed since our first job. Not to mention Kai being one of the two who know how their candles work.
Anyway, between the Dreamers, Baya and Sura, the Loud Orchestra and Jeff Bezos, which do you all think will be the first antagonist we'll have to deal with? My money is on the Dreamers to be honest, their candles have been foreshadowed since our first job. Not to mention Kai being one of the two who know how their candles work.
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1337Procrast
Fire Emblem Enjoyer
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- Australia
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Wait.
Lily's mom is the Artoria to Lily's Mordred. (Blond hair, blue eyes, same height.)
Artoria who has a famous scabbard that can heal all wounds, even death.
The scabbard that can be placed inside of someone to keep them alive.
OH MY GOD.
Lily's mom is the Artoria to Lily's Mordred. (Blond hair, blue eyes, same height.)
Artoria who has a famous scabbard that can heal all wounds, even death.
The scabbard that can be placed inside of someone to keep them alive.
OH MY GOD.
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- Miami
Eh...Artoria generally has green eyes though unless its an Alter or MHX/XX who does have blue eyes. And considering this world, its safe to say that Iris is more similar to MHXX than Artoria.
thePUNisher
Unbothered. Moisturized. Happy. In My Lane
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- Brazil
Fun theory but I wouldn't read too hard on the FC. The other options besides TBH were becoming a Rage Dragon and becoming a weird schizo like the Index which don't really fit Artoria's deal all that much.
Plus Avalon feels too...clean. I don't think TBH will be so sunshine and rainbows, hell I'm expecting some hidden cost for each death.
Edit: Okay Warped fits a little bit on account of the Dragon Core.
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Doesn't she have a class skill literally called instinct?
SoothingCoffee
Umumumu
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- The Library
Just to clarify: the Candles and the Dreamers are not the same/they're separate. The Dreamers set up Factories which they use to process and produce 'Experience' in the form of Brains and selling then to whoever has the money. Meanwhile, the Candles are a relative unknown that appeared seemingly from nowhere, and forces people to seemingly Distort.