SoothingCoffee
Umumumu
- Location
- The Library
It is your only encounter, yes.
Palace of Greed, El Dorado (Library of Ruina)
- Thread starter SoothingCoffee
- Start date
It is your only encounter, yes.
Dream Logic
An offseason swallow
- Location
- In transit
Word to the wise, don't fuck the precepts. Index only cares about making sure they're seen through so we miiiight be able to diplomace or reason our way out of it and if we somehow win a fight they aren't likely to seek revenge. Ironically enough they see failing to carry it out as a personal failing on the person's part rather then something that needs to be corrected for the bigger picture.
First thing we need to know is what the precept is and see if we can't find a work around. Though I doubt we'll be so lucky.
Knowing Index it's probably something like 'take the first dog you see on a walk, give it a good meal and bellyrubs, then slit its throat.'
God I can't believe I'm saying this but If the precept requires it in good health...threaten to harm or kill it. Lily would be able to go through on it and quite frankly it may be the difference between a broken limb and a dead dog.
...fuuuuck I hate that I went there and that it seemed reasonable given the circumstance. Please tell me there's no through line that will make that a good option.
First thing we need to know is what the precept is and see if we can't find a work around. Though I doubt we'll be so lucky.
Knowing Index it's probably something like 'take the first dog you see on a walk, give it a good meal and bellyrubs, then slit its throat.'
God I can't believe I'm saying this but If the precept requires it in good health...threaten to harm or kill it. Lily would be able to go through on it and quite frankly it may be the difference between a broken limb and a dead dog.
...fuuuuck I hate that I went there and that it seemed reasonable given the circumstance. Please tell me there's no through line that will make that a good option.
SoothingCoffee
Umumumu
- Location
- The Library
Lily wouldn't. The dog is -- well, the family is the client, but the dog is what you're supposed to protect. Trying to break that... well, the Scarecrows are not going to be happy. Not at all.
Edit: As an aside, the Proselyte is being entirely honest here, and it's telling that he doesn't immediately take the dog, or attack Lily when she refuses to give the dog back. Him being also somewhat new to the Index also means that while he's strong, and definitely above Lily's weightclass, he's not entirely unbeatable.
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Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
... Oh
I get it.
His target isn't the dog, it's the Owner
Whatever he needs to do, it needs the owner of the dog to be present for it. Hence why he asked us first.
From a strict rules lawyery point of view, our job is to deliver the dog, if they want protection from a Prescript... Well, they need to pay for the privledge.
It's probably something on the lines of "The first dog you see, do/give X to its Owner. Or do something to the dog while it's owner can see"
Hence why he is--and remains--perfectly amicable once it was established that we're not the dog's owner. And if he needed to do something to the dog he'd have started trying it by now.
I get it.
His target isn't the dog, it's the Owner
Whatever he needs to do, it needs the owner of the dog to be present for it. Hence why he asked us first.
From a strict rules lawyery point of view, our job is to deliver the dog, if they want protection from a Prescript... Well, they need to pay for the privledge.
It's probably something on the lines of "The first dog you see, do/give X to its Owner. Or do something to the dog while it's owner can see"
Hence why he is--and remains--perfectly amicable once it was established that we're not the dog's owner. And if he needed to do something to the dog he'd have started trying it by now.
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Dream Logic
An offseason swallow
- Location
- In transit
Apologies then. Completely misunderstood mission dynamic.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Hah.
I guess a nat one would have been "Ground Zero at a new Distortion?"
I guess "Only" brushing up one of the Index's Prescripts while not a direct target qualifies as a "Better than a nat 1 but not by much" result.
LinkOnScepter
The One who Strangles Concepts to death
- Location
- Interwebs
Ok, so we're not totally screwed, but still screwed.
Also, I find it funny how the Urban Myth Job where we were protecting a Nest Kiddy only gave us Rats to fight.
Meanwhile, a Canard Job that involves us protecting and delivering a dog has us come up against the fucking Index.
[X] Can't Stop From Crossing Fate. You'll stand your ground. You'll fight. You'll win. [Fight.]
-[X] Specify Tactic
--[X] Break their Spirit (Repression)
--[X] Priority: Defend and Hit
I guess I'll go with this? Personally, if we weren't injured, I'd say we try to take him. But as it stands...yeah.
Also, I find it funny how the Urban Myth Job where we were protecting a Nest Kiddy only gave us Rats to fight.
Meanwhile, a Canard Job that involves us protecting and delivering a dog has us come up against the fucking Index.
[X] Can't Stop From Crossing Fate. You'll stand your ground. You'll fight. You'll win. [Fight.]
-[X] Specify Tactic
--[X] Break their Spirit (Repression)
--[X] Priority: Defend and Hit
I guess I'll go with this? Personally, if we weren't injured, I'd say we try to take him. But as it stands...yeah.
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Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Ah, wait, now that I think about it, he asked for the dog after he knew we weren't the owner.
It might be something's going to happen to... th...
Oh.
Oh
I think I might get it.
The Prescript here isn't the random encounter. Here's here in advance to react to the random encounter that we just rolled.
He didn't ask for directions, once he confirmed we weren't the owner he just asked to take the dog. But he's perfectly content following us too--but that wasn't his first reaction, that was his 'Fallback' after he couldn't take the dog himself.
The first thing he asked. "Are we the owner": We answered no, and he was content with that
The second thing "Might I take the dog": We said we'd rather he not, and he was a little disappointed but not considerably.
Now we're being asked if he can accompany us.
If he was primarily interested in the owner, his second question was likely to be a follow up on that, which suggests if the Owner is involved, it's peripherally at best.
His priority is to be in the presence of the dog, and while not being able to monopolize where it goes is a minor disappointment, it's not a gamebreaker, which means that he does not require control of the dog to execute it. Or he wouldn't be negotiating. It's likely that just having control of the dog would make things slightly more convenient in some fashion.
Hah, that's the true nature of the Random Encounter. "A Prescript is being executed that tangentially relates to your mission, which inherently suggests that things are going to escalate"
EDIT: Hmm, looking at it. It's the fact we're not the owner that gives him the freedom to work with us on the matter. Which suggests if we were the owner, it would be more inconvienent. This suggests that the Owner is at least tangentially involved, but probably not the focus of the Prescript.
It might be something's going to happen to... th...
Oh.
Oh
I think I might get it.
The Prescript here isn't the random encounter. Here's here in advance to react to the random encounter that we just rolled.
He didn't ask for directions, once he confirmed we weren't the owner he just asked to take the dog. But he's perfectly content following us too--but that wasn't his first reaction, that was his 'Fallback' after he couldn't take the dog himself.
The first thing he asked. "Are we the owner": We answered no, and he was content with that
The second thing "Might I take the dog": We said we'd rather he not, and he was a little disappointed but not considerably.
Now we're being asked if he can accompany us.
If he was primarily interested in the owner, his second question was likely to be a follow up on that, which suggests if the Owner is involved, it's peripherally at best.
His priority is to be in the presence of the dog, and while not being able to monopolize where it goes is a minor disappointment, it's not a gamebreaker, which means that he does not require control of the dog to execute it. Or he wouldn't be negotiating. It's likely that just having control of the dog would make things slightly more convenient in some fashion.
Hah, that's the true nature of the Random Encounter. "A Prescript is being executed that tangentially relates to your mission, which inherently suggests that things are going to escalate"
EDIT: Hmm, looking at it. It's the fact we're not the owner that gives him the freedom to work with us on the matter. Which suggests if we were the owner, it would be more inconvienent. This suggests that the Owner is at least tangentially involved, but probably not the focus of the Prescript.
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OerstedMagicMan
Casual LoR Enjoyer
- Location
- Indonesia
[X] A Strange Companion. Sure, he could tag in. He seems… well, he doesn't seem like he's going to attack you. But who knows with the Index, right? Uh. Haha. What could go wrong? [???]
SoothingCoffee
Umumumu
- Location
- The Library
Yep. It's mainly Blind Fanatic at work.
- Location
- United States of America, Michigan
Hmm than I feel like there's no real point in delaying things if we can't try and use Index boy to scare off some fights. Cause I feel if he just follows us it's either going to be an advantage to our enemy or something disadvantageous to Lily.
So that leaves running and fighting as options
Running is a a Very Hard check which means DC 10 on a D10 plus skills. Currently we have 3 Endurance thanks to our uniform and our Instinct is 2. Not the best stats for making hard checks for but doable. I think we have a greater than 50% chance of passing at least one check but it could easily fail and probably starts the fight in a worst condition.
Then there's fighting against this tough lad who has more HP than non-energetic Lily (implying a higher level of Fortitude) and more damage but less armor than Lily. So someone who probably has even odds of beating/losing to a fresh Energetic Lily.
Not someone I'm that confident we can beat in our current condition especially with not receiving rebuffs until he's practically dead since one good hit and Lily will suffer a -1 one to everything. Now that isn't a game ender all by itself especially in a game with as swingy dice as this but it lowers our chances.
The ?/? Sanity intrigues me since if it's low (and it being only a ? instead of a ?? makes me think single digits) than it could be the secret to easily beating this guy. Of course it could turn out this guy is a Sanity tank and we could do fuck all trying to repress him.
On one hand I could see an Index guy being a Prudence dude and therefore having high Sanity but with him also having high fortitude it would be a bit odd. And on the other hand I really doubt he's invested much of anything in Justice and specifically Ego so he should have little if any mental resist. Which would be useful even if he does have as much Sanity as HP since it means we don't have to deal with the 2 Armor.
Overall I feel like we're going to have to gamble here anyways and my preferred gamble is gambling on Repression to break this man since we just upgraded Justice and I think it will be easier than trying to punch through his HP and armor.
@SoothingCoffee does "physical strike has to hit" and "Repession does not modify physical strikes" mean we still roll to hit with our melee skill? Also what does leveling Repression do if Repression doesn't make us hit better, do more sanity damage? Also does "cannot be defended against mean that the defend action is useless against Repression or is it just referring to how armor doesn't work? Do the Sanity damage Thresholds do anything to debuff you like the HP ones and if so would Blind Fanatics's effect those debuffs too?
- Location
- Somewhere
Honestly? If we aren't running, Repression's probably our best bet. He won't receive his debuff until he's heavily injured, and he already has more Health than us. The ?/? is totally a hint.
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On the topic of running, it's time to theorize.
Let's ignore the Prescript's true contents for the moment, and look at what could possibly be traced back to its creator.
(After all, those looms are experts at obfuscating the intentions of their Prescripts.)
Whatever the faulty underground printer's planning, it really doesn't want the MC to leave the dog. Whether it's on our side or not has yet to be seen.
Now, what do we have to lose from fleeing? There's the money, and a hit to the Office's reputation. In addition, there's a loss of personal opinion inside the Office too. Ouch.
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On the topic of running, it's time to theorize.
Let's ignore the Prescript's true contents for the moment, and look at what could possibly be traced back to its creator.
(After all, those looms are experts at obfuscating the intentions of their Prescripts.)
See: MC relates to the dog. This makes them less likely to abandon it.
See: "We Scarecrows protect our client, even if it means death." Recalling a memory, making it more unlikely that the MC will abandon it.
Whatever the faulty underground printer's planning, it really doesn't want the MC to leave the dog. Whether it's on our side or not has yet to be seen.
Now, what do we have to lose from fleeing? There's the money, and a hit to the Office's reputation. In addition, there's a loss of personal opinion inside the Office too. Ouch.
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- Location
- Poland
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Right, so a nat1 would be a prescript with a mission to "Kill the dog and maim it's guardian" I guess.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
I figure Nat 1 would just be "You walk in to find that the dog's owner isn't dead, but a Distortion, roll for initiative"
Here? We "Just" Have to deal with an Urban Legend level individual mook. Or whatever he was sent here to take advantage of.
(I think generic rando Prescripts are mooks in Urban Plague Receptions, but this guy's both new and alone, I'll downgrade him to an Urban Legend level threat)
EDIT: HAHAHA no I was wrong the first contact the Library has with the Index is in Urban Nightmare, this guy's a newbie and he's also only mook tier but I'd still put him at high Urban Legend or low Urban Plague I think.
Here? We "Just" Have to deal with an Urban Legend level individual mook. Or whatever he was sent here to take advantage of.
(I think generic rando Prescripts are mooks in Urban Plague Receptions, but this guy's both new and alone, I'll downgrade him to an Urban Legend level threat)
EDIT: HAHAHA no I was wrong the first contact the Library has with the Index is in Urban Nightmare, this guy's a newbie and he's also only mook tier but I'd still put him at high Urban Legend or low Urban Plague I think.
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Dream Logic
An offseason swallow
- Location
- In transit
Obvious thing is obvious but it occurs to me that we haven't had a hint of the library. Good for pacing but does make me a bit worried given the title. More then likely one day we'll recieve an invitation and Lily will be in no position to refuse.
I'm wondering if instead of dying we'd get teleported there? More or less what happened to Roland and would avoid bad ends or rolling back the clock (though I very much like Scarecrow and would be sad to see them go)
For index I'd imagine their dump stat is either prudence or attachment. They're not the best at empathy and they probably self select for people who are or were at the end of their rope and hardens them. They can't bend so they either stand or break.
Nothing There has appeared within the district would be a 'fun' one. Though I'm eighty percent sure they'd kill everyone just to be sure if that happened.
Just idle musings.
I'm wondering if instead of dying we'd get teleported there? More or less what happened to Roland and would avoid bad ends or rolling back the clock (though I very much like Scarecrow and would be sad to see them go)
For index I'd imagine their dump stat is either prudence or attachment. They're not the best at empathy and they probably self select for people who are or were at the end of their rope and hardens them. They can't bend so they either stand or break.
Nothing There has appeared within the district would be a 'fun' one. Though I'm eighty percent sure they'd kill everyone just to be sure if that happened.
Just idle musings.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Nothing There is sealed in the Library, he won't be coming out.
[CENSORED] on the other hand... Well, it was just confirmed in the big contest that it's not going to be in Ruina (Maybe in a DLC later on, but not the core game), so who the fuck knows where it went.
How Dodge Work
SoothingCoffee
Umumumu
- Location
- The Library
Oh yeah, since I was reminded of it, I never really specified on how Dodging works. I'll add that in the "Combat Mechanic" on the front page. But --
So, Attack is Attack. You deal damage with it. And Block is Block. It reduces damage if you lose, and negate it entirely when you win. Simple enough. But how does Dodge work?
Dodge works by doing a "Best of X" roll, where "X" is the level of your Instinct Skill -- and I pick the highest result, and put it against all the other attacks. It's a high-risk high-reward type of thing. For Example:
Lily has 2 Instinct, so if she were to dodge she would roll 2 1d10+2 (Modifier from Instinct). So say she rolls an 8 (6), and a 7 (5), then I will pick the 8, and compare it against the enemy rolls. Say, in this case, you are being attacked by 3 Rats. They roll (3, 7, 5)-- this means that none of their attack will hit you. Of course, if say one of them roll a 9, this mean they'll get to attack you head on. So say the 3 Rats attack, and roll (3, 9, 2). You dodge the first attack, but get hit by the second, and then dodge the third attack.
Edit: Additionally, Succesfully Dodging an Attack will Give you a 1 Temp HP. Temp HP fills up your Health Pool, but will Fade Away once Battle is Over.
At high enough Dodge-skill, this makes Dodging really effective, though it is also high-risk.
Or at least, that's the idea of it. This mechanic's still rough around the edges, ultimately, so I would like to hear tips, and tweaks to make Dodge work better (more rewarding, etc).
So, Attack is Attack. You deal damage with it. And Block is Block. It reduces damage if you lose, and negate it entirely when you win. Simple enough. But how does Dodge work?
Dodge works by doing a "Best of X" roll, where "X" is the level of your Instinct Skill -- and I pick the highest result, and put it against all the other attacks. It's a high-risk high-reward type of thing. For Example:
Lily has 2 Instinct, so if she were to dodge she would roll 2 1d10+2 (Modifier from Instinct). So say she rolls an 8 (6), and a 7 (5), then I will pick the 8, and compare it against the enemy rolls. Say, in this case, you are being attacked by 3 Rats. They roll (3, 7, 5)-- this means that none of their attack will hit you. Of course, if say one of them roll a 9, this mean they'll get to attack you head on. So say the 3 Rats attack, and roll (3, 9, 2). You dodge the first attack, but get hit by the second, and then dodge the third attack.
Edit: Additionally, Succesfully Dodging an Attack will Give you a 1 Temp HP. Temp HP fills up your Health Pool, but will Fade Away once Battle is Over.
At high enough Dodge-skill, this makes Dodging really effective, though it is also high-risk.
Or at least, that's the idea of it. This mechanic's still rough around the edges, ultimately, so I would like to hear tips, and tweaks to make Dodge work better (more rewarding, etc).
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Dream Logic
An offseason swallow
- Location
- In transit
Ok Nothing There is contained. That's very good news.
[Censored] may not be and That's bad.
Theen again the only mechanic I can think of for it's fight would be hiding what the dice on it's cards are or some other painful gimmick that reinforces it's lack of thematic relevance to LOR.
Speaking of, do you know how many floors or such were looking at until we reach the end? Feels like we're approaching some big reveals and a resolution.
- Location
- United States of America, Michigan
IIRC there's 2 plot updates left before the game is finished so LoR is basically done next month.
Dream Logic
An offseason swallow
- Location
- In transit
So all that's really left is probably to
Do our realizations for A and Carmen, find out how she relates to the White Night (since it's been aggressively foreshadowed), manage her endgame, face down the Head and give everyone a happy ending
More relevant to the quest I'd recommend we try running. Index's agents tend to be kiiind of reasonable within their insanity so it's possible we can literally tell him we're buffering off with the dog unless he catches us and he might agree not to kill us if he does.
I think that's how Precepts tend to work at least. You just have to do what it says and while there's no love lost for people getting in the way there's also no obligation to harm or obstruct them unless it's necessary to said Precepts.
- Location
- United States of America, Michigan
[X] Can't Stop From Crossing Fate. You'll stand your ground. You'll fight. You'll win. [Fight.]
-[X] Specify Tactic
--[X] Break their Spirit (Repression)
--[X] Priority: Defend and Hit
-[X] Specify Tactic
--[X] Break their Spirit (Repression)
--[X] Priority: Defend and Hit
- Location
- Poland
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] A Strange Companion. Sure, he could tag in. He seems… well, he doesn't seem like he's going to attack you. But who knows with the Index, right? Uh. Haha. What could go wrong? [???]
We go, see what he wants, get a choice to intervene in him doing something to the owner (or dog, or us), fight him then possibly.
Hopefully we'll find out something about him. Like if his sanity is really high or really low.
Maybe we'll get some kind of bonus to deal with him then.
Live first.
We go, see what he wants, get a choice to intervene in him doing something to the owner (or dog, or us), fight him then possibly.
Hopefully we'll find out something about him. Like if his sanity is really high or really low.
Maybe we'll get some kind of bonus to deal with him then.
Live first.