I thought it just applied to Ar-Ulric, the most stubborn of all, who derided Magnus the Pious as a charlatan unworthy of being uniter of the Empire, which Magnus then walked into the Flame of Ulric without protection and came out unscathed.

And for the rest, he managed to use charisma and leadership to get them to side with him.
And for Sigmarites it was the Twin-Tailed Comet over Nuln when Magnus started preaching unity, and for Taalites it was a white stag with a hammer-shaped mark on its side emerging from Sacred Forest when Magnus arrived at Talabheim, and while I cannot find a source at the moment for it I have a distinct memory of Triton appearing at Marienburg's harbour when Magnus came to ask for the city's help in the war effort.
 
If anything Ulric and the Al-Ulric are where things arguably involved the least divine intervention, all Ulric did was NOT kill a guy instead of kill him, via a mechanism already known to not kill people Ulric doesn't want to kill.

This specific way Magnus did it was just really really dramatic.
 
Oh I see, okay then.

Wow, Triton did the Chad Move there: just shows up, doesn't elaborate, and then leave.

And then Marienburg decides to aid Magnus the Pious after seeing him.
Triton is widely considered to be Manann's avatar or son, and Manann is the patron god of Marienburg (No matter how much the Cult of Haendryk would like to claim that honour).

In fact, Magnus won over the city so well that the last Westerland Emperor himself marched north with him and perished during the Battle at the Gates of Kislev City, the only one of the Emperor-claimants known to have done so (of the others, it is only known that they were alive after the Great War and decided to crown Magnus due to fearing revolt of the masses if they didn't),
 
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If they want to keep up with human inventions, I feel like they're far more likely to look fondly on innovations from Araby than the Empire. Araby, after all, is farthest from the poles and so least suffused with magic, which suggests a lot of mundane scientific knowledge that the Asur can regard as novel and interesting workarounds given the limitation. Araby has also had fairly close trading ties with Ulthuan for millennia, so it presumably has some kind of favourable relationship and/or has been influenced by Asur enough for the elves to view their achievements in a, "ah, look how far they've come by emulating us, their betters" light.

Araby suffers from the issue that it basically doesn't exist in the lore though, belonging to the same club of unelaborated upon Mallus nations that Ind, Nippon, Tilea, Estalia and pre TWW3 Cathay hang out in. Consequently it's hard to say what nature of relations Ulthuan should or does have with it though. I'd say that of the army book human factions Ulthuan probably has the most cultural similarity with Bretonnia, but Bretonnia seems to be stuck in an even worse technological stasis than Ulthuan, so...
 
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Bretonnia was influenced by the Asur concepts of knighthood and noblesse oblige when formulating their culture of chivalry, whilst Tilea moreso took after the Asur religion and merchant tradition. However, to them, the elves were ancient history, and what they found of them were scraps of a time long gone by. The dwarfs razed every elven city in the Old World save for Tor Lithanel, and even though they couldn't destroy everything, they did their damned best to try. It's quite likely that the humans didn't even realize that the ruins where they found depictions of a horned god of the hunt married to a goddess of the harvest or frescos of elaborately armoured warriors on horseback weren't made by human hands.

By contrast, the colonies in Araby were never attacked by the dwarfs, they were abandoned because they could be attacked by the dwarfs, and with Malekith's invasion of Ulthuan they could not be defended if they were. Better to evacuate in good order and get more hands to defend the homeland.

In some ways, this paradoxically meant that they left behind less stuff to be found- since they didn't evacuate with dwarf throngs at their heels, there were no herds of elven steeds abandoned in the chaos of the evacuation to interbreed with local wild horses, no religious iconography left behind because every moment of delay had a cost measured in elven lives.

But unlike the colonies in the north, when the elves abandoned their settlements in Araby, the dwarfs were largely content to not bother coming over all that way to knock down some empty buildings. This meant that when the desert tribes that would become Arabyans moved in, they found the elven cities stripped of anything that the Asur considered valuable, but intact. This means that many of those elven buildings remain in use today, and had an enormous impact on Arabyan architechture.

There was also far more of a sense of continuity: the desert tribes have lived in the deserts since at least the time of Settra as vassals of Nehekhara, and must have had at least some kind of sense that there were elves living on the coast. Then they left for some reason, so the tribes moved in to establish a powerbase that would allow them to obtain a degree of independence from Nehekhara and, ultimately, outlast it (though I'm sure the Tomb Kings would disagree that the Land of the Dead is not the same entity as Ancient Nehekhara).

Now, I don't know if the part where the wiki says that the Asur maintained contact with Araby throughout their period of isolation from the Old World is yet more Magical Wiki Fanfiction, but it does make sense to a degree. As I have said before, even after they abandoned the cities the Asur maintained a number of naval fortresses and outposts on islands off the coasts of the Old World, since the Dwarfs didn't build a navy until after the war and even then it was never really big enough to challenge the Asur. Araby is very, very close to Ulthuan and Arabyans avid seafarers, there's no way they didn't run into each other.

Given Arabyan fondness for piracy these run-ins wouldn't necessarily always have been friendly, but again, the point is that to the Arabyans the Asur have never been ancient history, they've always been... there. People that could and had to be dealt with, whether in war or in peace. One might even suggest that Ulthuan checking Araby's westward exploration and expansion was what drove them north and into conflict with Tilea and Estalia, given that they had the Great Desert to the south and Nehekhara to the east, posing similar barriers.

With the different circumstances of the evacuation, there would never have been such a pressure for the Asur to stay away for fear of provoking the dwarfs since they have next to no presence in Araby, and even if Ulthuan didn't make official overtures, again, the distance from Araby to the southeastern coast of Ulthuan is not that big. Given the proximity, familiar architechture, the fact that there would have been quite a few elves still alive who remembered living in Araby... I imagine Araby would have been quite a popular destination for private elven individuals, once Tethlys drove Malekith into the sea and Bel-Korhadris took charge. And when Aethys concluded that maybe the humans had some things worth the elves' time to trade with them for, Araby as Ulthuan's closest neighbour would have been a natural trade partner. It is likely that the first elven enclaves in human cities, which Finubar modeled the ones he established in the Old World during his trip after, would have been founded millennia earlier in Araby. And until the re-establishment of Sith Rionnasc, they would have been the largest.

And where there is movement of people and goods, there is usually at least some degree of movement of ideas. Art. Writing. Philosophy. Language. Medicine. Mathematics. Natural Sciences. History. Geography. Magical Theory. Not scraps cobbled together from millennia-old ruins, but contact with and influence from Ulthuan's living culture.

Araby is Ulthuan's closest neighbour both in a physical sense, and in the sense that they have been the most influenced by the Asur, simply by virtue of being in contact with them for the longest. For the northern Old World, the elves walked out of the pages of dwarven history books when they made contact with the human nations, but in Araby, they have always been a part of their own history books.
 
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Also, do the Asur find the Bretonnians' own interpretation of knighthood and chivalry okay-ish, or find it flattering that the humans are emulating them being the superior culture?
That is an interesting question. Having a low opinion of megaclassist Bretonnia, I've wondered if this reflected some "truth" of Elven culture, i.e. how Elven kingdoms would be if they didn't have graceful non-sick peasants...
... but we can blame the distortion a lot more on the Asrai;), and the humans themselves (any human kingdom cannot be that ideal, both in Watsonian and Doylist terms)
 
Yeah, if you happen to own those books. They also don't always cite a page number.

From the Araby section of the Warmaster Armies book (page 48):

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For their part the High Elves maintain a mercantile presence in Copher and Lashiek as they have since time immemorial. The Elves and men of Araby had dealings even during the long centuries when the Elves abandoned the Old World.
 
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From the Araby section of the Warmaster Armies book (page 48):

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For their part the High Elves maintain a mercantile presence in Copher and Lashiek as they have since time immemorial. The Elves and men of Araby had dealings even during the long centuries when the Elves abandoned the Old World.
"My merchant family have been trading with the Elves of Ulthuan for generations!" - some Arabyan prince named Al-Dhira (meaning "Strong-arm" or Armstrong)
 
Just to note, the Araby section of the Warmaster book is the majority of the canon information on Araby and there's a about three pages of information, of which only about half gives any fluff information.
 
and while I cannot find a source at the moment for it I have a distinct memory of Triton appearing at Marienburg's harbour when Magnus came to ask for the city's help in the war effort
Tome of Salvation, in the history section at the start.
I wouldn't be surprised if Total War Warhammer will bring in the Araby faction eventually and give it to a lore overhaul like they did with Cathay.
They could do that with Cathay because GW went ahead and designed Cathay with the support of some folks from CA. The same doesn't seem likely for Araby, and though it was a number of years ago at this point, Araby is one of the few factions that CA ever explicitly said they had no plans to do.

It's a shame, I'd love to see Araby get the treatment the Vampire Coast got, but I don't see any reason to think it'd happen.
 
I kinda love the idea of desert elves, who appear and vanish in the heat haze, with pointed ears under turbans and an elf-steed version of camels.

That Arabian elf would be an awesome RPG character- if they hadn't leaned into Laurelorn as the source of old world elven adventurers then Araby would be the lore based place to find them.
 
I kinda love the idea of desert elves, who appear and vanish in the heat haze, with pointed ears under turbans and an elf-steed version of camels.

That Arabian elf would be an awesome RPG character- if they hadn't leaned into Laurelorn as the source of old world elven adventurers then Araby would be the lore based place to find them.
Laurion of Araby

Laurion was once a sailor from Lothern, a retired Seaguard who served as a midshipman aboard a merchant vessel. One day he was caught in a storm off the coast of Araby and fell overboard. He eventually washed ashore and began walking along the shore to the nearest port. However he was soon set upon by bandits looking to loot any ships that might have been beached by the storm. Armed with only a knife, he was no match for the thieves and was forced to flee inland. Three centuries later an elven sailor from the very crew Laurion once was apart of happened upon him at the docks of Copher. Shocked at his survival the elf attempted to convince Laurion to return to Ulthuan with him but was refused, Laurion was determined to remain in Araby for reasons unknown. He now wanders the dessert, fighting raiders at times, joining them at others. It remains unclear what his reasons for doing what he does are, some simply think him mad, but there's no denying that he makes for a fearsome ally for those with the coin to hire him.

1x Veteran Seaguard
-armed with a sword, spear, bow, and daggers
-wears a scale shirt
-has developed an accent

1x Magic Camel
-is magic, apparently



Now all we need is an excuse to go to Araby.
 
For the northern Old World, the elves walked out of the pages of dwarven history books when they made contact with the human nations, but in Araby, they have always been a part of their own history books.

This can't be completely true, since the Elves that remained in the old world are supposed to be around most of the heavily forested areas, even ignoring Athel Loren entirely as uncontactable. Laurelorn and other Elves are definitely present the entire time, and would have had contact with both the pre-norscans and the tribes that eventually became the empire for several thousand years.

Similarly, they will have encountered at least some Druchii raiding parties across the north/west coasts at some point, surely?

So my nitpick there is the *Asur* walked out of the pages of dwarfen history.

As a question, what's the date you're thinking for when the elves made contact with the empire/proto empire?
 
This can't be completely true, since the Elves that remained in the old world are supposed to be around most of the heavily forested areas, even ignoring Athel Loren entirely as uncontactable. Laurelorn and other Elves are definitely present the entire time, and would have had contact with both the pre-norscans and the tribes that eventually became the empire for several thousand years.
Marienburg: With this "Treaty of Amity and Commerce" the elves have stepped out of the pages of history and into The Old World once more.
Nordland: "so what is our treaty, chopped liver?"
 
I kinda love the idea of desert elves, who appear and vanish in the heat haze, with pointed ears under turbans and an elf-steed version of camels.

That Arabian elf would be an awesome RPG character- if they hadn't leaned into Laurelorn as the source of old world elven adventurers then Araby would be the lore based place to find them.

It isn't Warhammer, but the fantasy setting (and Europa Universalis 4 mod) Anbennar does have Arabian and Persian-inspired Sun Elves. Could take some inspiration from them for a potential Warhammer alternate history with surviving Araby elves.
 
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