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TheBleachDoctor said:
I think we were born one or two generations too early for that, my friend. As it stands, we probably won't even live long enough to benefit from medical treatments that can greatly extend human lifespan.

Like that telomere-lengthening treatment. By the time that is ready, we'll probably be too old for it to do us any good. :(
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Eh, don't be so sure. Computing power rises exponentially, not linearly...by the time we're all in our sixties, we might have AI sufficiently advanced to solve those issues...or at least computers and tech advanced enough to analyze and decrypt the human brain.

SailorMidgard said:
For what itis worth, when I CAN hear that insisting little voice of faith in my mind, sustained mostly by the curious behavior of water when growing colder- I can not find it in my heart to believe in a godwho punishes with eternal punishment limited crimes, even the most horrifying ones, even less Disbelief out of weakness of faith... sorry if this offends you, but I think the theorem of Marcion the gnostic( the God of the old testament is just a flawed servant of the true God left to his own devices) or Gaimans (People end up in Hell because they deep down believe they belong there in the place of punishment) oreven those of Larry niven( Hell is shock therapy to awaken even the most stubborn sinners and doubters to the existence of God and his mercy) is more worthy of One Above.
For the God who would create an eternal hell for temporary evils would not be Just, much less merciful...
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I agree completely...I'm an annihilationist, after all. I believe that Hell's just the system for spiritual destruction, not eternal suffering...the Bible contains numerous quotes to imply this...for one thing, damnation is often referred to as the "Second Death" and God is once referred to as the one with the power to destroy the soul. Feel free to look it up for a more detailed description. Admittedly, my personal cosmology is...unusual, based upon my personal thoughts and studies, not upon rhetoric, so I'd probably not agree with any group on all of the details.

The creation of an eternal Hell just doesn't make logical sense...that wasn't a thing in the Old Testament, for one thing. Hell popped up with the New Testament...the same Testament which grants immortality to the faithful. Why ever would the unfaithful be granted eternal life, only to be cast into Hell? I've heard answers, and they even make some degree of sense, but they still don't explain why eternal suffering would ever be a thing.

The only version of the eternal punishment model that I could see making sense is the "self-inflicted Hell" model, in which damnation is simply being outside of Heaven...separation from God due to one's denial of Him, rather than systematic torture. Horrible, but not a place designed to cause suffering, just the natural state when you walk away from the happiness of salvation.

Gadjo said:
Point on the Homura thing, but the reason we try to keep people from contracting is that it essentially condemns them to, optimistically, a death by combat before they turn 25, and at worst, an eventual witchout and whatever hell awaits the souls of those tormented by Kyubey.

There's a reason I'm all about Incubatorcide in PMAS: the fuckers deserve it.
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...yeah, if you want to talk about Hell...try being an eternal battery for the universe, with the power supply being the unending fount of despair that is your soul.

Fuck the Incubators. They may not understand suffering (which makes them hard to really hate, because they're ultimately just too mentally different to understand that misery is unpleasant...or even the idea of something being unpleasant, most likely), but they need to die for the sake of all those girls they're torturing horrifically.
 
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TheBleachDoctor said:
I think we were born one or two generations too early for that, my friend. As it stands, we probably won't even live long enough to benefit from medical treatments that can greatly extend human lifespan.

Like that telomere-lengthening treatment. By the time that is ready, we'll probably be too old for it to do us any good. :(
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So what you're saying is we need to invest in mad science.

That is a depressing thought though, guess we'll see what the future brings.
 
Higure said:
Eh, don't be so sure. Computing power rises exponentially, not linearly...by the time we're all in our sixties, we might have AI sufficiently advanced to solve those issues...or at least computers and tech advanced enough to analyze and decrypt the human brain.


I agree completely...I'm an annihilationist, after all. I believe that Hell's just the system for spiritual destruction, not eternal suffering...the Bible contains numerous quotes to imply this...for one thing, damnation is often referred to as the "Second Death" and God is once referred to as the one with the power to destroy the soul. Feel free to look it up for a more detailed description. Admittedly, my personal cosmology is...unusual, based upon my personal thoughts and studies, not upon rhetoric, so I'd probably not agree with any group on all of the details.

The creation of an eternal Hell just doesn't make logical sense...that wasn't a thing in the Old Testament, for one thing. Hell popped up with the New Testament...the same Testament which grants immortality to the faithful. Why ever would the unfaithful be granted eternal life, only to be cast into Hell? I've heard answers, and they even make some degree of sense, but they still don't explain why eternal suffering would ever be a thing.

The only version of the eternal punishment model that I could see making sense is the "self-inflicted Hell" model, in which damnation is simply being outside of Heaven...separation from God due to one's denial of Him, rather than systematic torture. Horrible, but not a place designed to cause suffering, just the natural state when you walk away from the happiness of salvation.


...yeah, if you want to talk about Hell...try being an eternal battery for the universe, with the power supply being the unending fount of despair that is your soul.

Fuck the Incubators. They may not understand suffering (which makes them hard to really hate, because they're ultimately just too mentally different to understand that misery is unpleasant...or even the idea of something being unpleasant, most likely), but they need to die for the sake of all those girls they're torturing horrifically.
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Higure, while I am a bit uncomfortable with the Ideaof "the second death", I agree it sounds far more...just than the Inferno ad aeternam, but all in all, a mixture of the self-inflicted hell and the shock therapy mode makes most sense to me...
And yes, the Incubators must die or be neutralized. Whatsoever their justifications, basically they are parasites leeching off energy from the girls pain and causing untold collateral damage in human lives...
 
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Higure said:
Eh, don't be so sure. Computing power rises exponentially, not linearly...by the time we're all in our sixties, we might have AI sufficiently advanced to solve those issues...or at least computers and tech advanced enough to analyze and decrypt the human brain.
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Oh, I don't doubt that we'll get AI sufficiently advanced to be people, but the issue I see lies in transference of a person's mind to a computer. Sure, we could have hardware that supports a mind, but how will we move it over?
Assuming we could read the "data" in a mind, we could theoretically make a digital copy, but that doesn't accomplish immortality. I don't want an AI that acts like me to exist forever (due to my mindset, it probably wouldn't even think it's me, suffer an existential crisis, and kill itself). I want me to exist forever.

We can't move my mind off of my brain either. My mind is locked into these neurons in my head.

If there were some slow over-time process of replacing organic brain tissue with cybernetics that fulfilled the exact same functions as my old neurons, I'd accept that. After all, the atoms in my body swap out every ten years. I don't care what I'm made up of.

But by the time we get that, I don't know if I'll still be around... and is that technology even possible? But if it is, then I can eventually convert my hardware to something a little more durable, and with that, I can hopefully move to different platforms. But this is a dream that I think is a bit too far off.

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Too much depressing thoughts. CATS!!!!

 
Meow Quest: come for the adorable cat antics, stay for the tearjerking discussions on the nature of existence.

As they say: "Hope and despair balance out to zero..."
 
TheBleachDoctor said:
Oh, I don't doubt that we'll get AI sufficiently advanced to be people, but the issue I see lies in transference of a person's mind to a computer. Sure, we could have hardware that supports a mind, but how will we move it over?
Assuming we could read the "data" in a mind, we could theoretically make a digital copy, but that doesn't accomplish immortality. I don't want an AI that acts like me to exist forever (due to my mindset, it probably wouldn't even think it's me, suffer an existential crisis, and kill itself). I want me to exist forever.

We can't move my mind off of my brain either. My mind is locked into these neurons in my head.

If there were some slow over-time process of replacing organic brain tissue with cybernetics that fulfilled the exact same functions as my old neurons, I'd accept that. After all, the atoms in my body swap out every ten years. I don't care what I'm made up of.

But by the time we get that, I don't know if I'll still be around... and is that technology even possible? But if it is, then I can eventually convert my hardware to something a little more durable, and with that, I can hopefully move to different platforms. But this is a dream that I think is a bit too far off.

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Too much depressing thoughts. CATS!!!!

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If nothing else, I'd bet they can find some (working) way of achieving suspended animation until research is done.

Now, enough about that...here, my first cat photo of the thread. I have no clue how I held out so long...I should post photos of my own cats sometime.



"Oh, you wish to share my bed? Very well. You can have the foot of it. Do not try to steal my pillows, or you will regret it."
 
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Higure said:
If nothing else, I'd bet they can find some (working) way of achieving suspended animation until research is done.
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We actually know how to do cryogenic freezing. The problem is we don't know how to wake them up afterwards. An even bigger problem is finding someone who can actually keep your body preserved that long.
I remember listening to a radio broadcast once where this guy who ran a cryogenics company tried so hard to keep his equipment running, but it isn't inexpensive, and in the end, he wasn't able to keep up his end of the bargain.

Coolant failures are... yeah.

Higure said:
Now, enough about that...here, my first cat photo of the thread. I have no clue how I held out so long...I should post photos of my own cats sometime.

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You have cats?! Show us plz.
 
TheBleachDoctor said:
We actually know how to do cryogenic freezing. The problem is we don't know how to wake them up afterwards. An even bigger problem is finding someone who can actually keep your body preserved that long.
I remember listening to a radio broadcast once where this guy who ran a cryogenics company tried so hard to keep his equipment running, but it isn't inexpensive, and in the end, he wasn't able to keep up his end of the bargain.

Coolant failures are... yeah.
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Thus why I said "working." "Working while I've got dosh on hand, with no known way to wake you up," isn't quite the same.


You have cats?! Show us plz.
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I will...sadly, I have no photos on my PC. Will photograph them later and upload.
 
TheBleachDoctor said:
Oh, I don't doubt that we'll get AI sufficiently advanced to be people, but the issue I see lies in transference of a person's mind to a computer. Sure, we could have hardware that supports a mind, but how will we move it over?
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That wouldn't be a problem if you weren't so picky. I'd be happy with an AI copy: having two of me and one dying is obviously better than having one of me and one dying.

Also, I've been holding onto this image for a while, and considering current IC events, now seems like the time to post it:

 
Only thing about life-extending tech is the quality of the life extended. I have always firmly believed that there are worse things than death, and many technologies only stave it off and give you a few more declining years. It's years of quality life that you're looking for.

That's why I won't be signing up for anything like that until they can let me pilot a mech with my brain.
 
Well, this is going to be a ongoing concern)problem in the eclipse Phase Rp I hopefully will get to play in in this here forum soon - cyrostasis, gploading, "how many am I" , the whole nine yards worth..
 
TheBleachDoctor said:
Well, as an atheist, I do not believe in the soul, and consider myself and my body one and the same. Which means that every now and then I actually comprehend what it would mean to cease to exist upon death. Upon doing so, I freeze up, hyperventilate, and briefly enter a state of sheer terror and panic. After that passes, I find that I cannot quite grasp that concept again. Like my mind has locked it down for my own sake.
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Higure said:
...I know that feeling. It's why I can't allow this place to be everything that exists. I gain everything and lose nothing from having Faith...honestly, if I didn't, I think I'd have died a long time ago. A world this flat...a world devoid of meaning isn't something I can exist in.
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Gadjo said:
Same here, though I don't get so much of the existential terror these days.
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...My number one "existence after death" is... Not.

Seriously, I prefer complete erasure and cessation of existence to anything else. My runner-up is reincarnation where there is no continuity between incarnations.

The idea of heaven is nice, but I don't believe in God, or rather I don't care if there's a god. He's not my concern as long as I don't get smited and he doesn't really do that anymore. So basically, if hell's a thing I prefer non-existence because I don't qualify for heaven, and heaven strikes me as boring and not really what I want to do for eternity. To be specific, I simply don't want to be eternal, as it strikes me as mind numbingly boring at best and an absolute tragedy at worst (see: Who Wants to Live Forever?).
 
Azrael said:
...My number one "existence after death" is... Not.

Seriously, I prefer complete erasure and cessation of existence to anything else. My runner-up is reincarnation where there is no continuity between incarnations.

The idea of heaven is nice, but I don't believe in God, or rather I don't care if there's a god. He's not my concern as long as I don't get smited and he doesn't really do that anymore. So basically, if hell's a thing I prefer non-existence because I don't qualify for heaven, and heaven strikes me as boring and not really what I want to do for eternity. To be specific, I simply don't want to be eternal, as it strikes me as mind numbingly boring at best and an absolute tragedy at worst (see: Who Wants to Live Forever?).
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...and yet you include Him in your username. Interesting.:p

Jokes aside, I think you underestimate Heaven. Still, each to their own...
 
Discussions of religion? Weak agnostic who doesn't do too much thought on the nature of things (to the point that while I know how I think about things, I actually had to quickly search up what the hell to call myself, thank you Wikipedia), the afterlife included, instead thinking that I might as well do what I can while I'm here and see what happens when I finally check out.

As far as heaven goes, though, if it's a heaven worth calling a heaven I'd personally hope it had some form of mitigating the boredom of eternity -- media comes to mind as a means to that end.

Speaking of ends, here's hoping Amura doesn't get hers caught in any gears, because let's face it:

[X] New thing to sit on. Sit on it.

Is the cat thing to do. That or to nudge it with a paw and see if it does anything.
 
[X] New thing to sit on. Sit on it.

.... After my six hour battle against a National level test I've arrived here expecting Cats. But trivia is nice too so I can dig it.

Must find a sit. Best cat must sits.
 
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