...and yet you include Him in your username. Interesting.:p
Angels are awesome. And they tend to have really cool names.
Jokes aside, I think you underestimate Heaven. Still, each to their own...
Probably, it's just not really my nature to place any weight on something that for all practical intents and purposes doesn't exist. (I can't exactly find out if there's really a heaven, or what is contains, without dying while meeting whatever criteria for entry, if any, the place has.) Simply put, faith isn't for me.

My policy is "live and let live" however, so I don't really care about anyone's religion or beliefs as long as they don't bother me with it. A christian saying that they think I should go to church is fine, I just politely refuse, if they start raving about me being a heathen or something I'm just walking away and ignoring them. If they don't go on and on when I've expressed disinterest then I've no issue with them (indeed, my family is largely christian, and my mother has outright said she doesn't mind if I'm not. If she did mind our relationship would be much more strained).
 
Angels are awesome. And they tend to have really cool names.

Probably, it's just not really my nature to place any weight on something that for all practical intents and purposes doesn't exist. (I can't exactly find out if there's really a heaven, or what is contains, without dying while meeting whatever criteria for entry, if any, the place has.) Simply put, faith isn't for me.

My policy is "live and let live" however, so I don't really care about anyone's religion or beliefs as long as they don't bother me with it. A christian saying that they think I should go to church is fine, I just politely refuse, if they start raving about me being a heathen or something I'm just walking away and ignoring them. If they don't go on and on when I've expressed disinterest then I've no issue with them (indeed, my family is largely christian, and my mother has outright said she doesn't mind if I'm not. If she did mind our relationship would be much more strained).
I'd go into discussion of sensory and reliability and the unknowable nature of objective reality, but I see no reason to make things even more heavy in Meow Quest of all places.

Thanks for not hating us on policy like so many people seem to. Religion's become so polarizing in recent times, it's nice to talk to someone who can respect the beliefs of others while still talking on the subject.:)

The same goes to the other participants in this shockingly pleasant discussion on the nature of existence...on SV of all places.

Maybe the quest forum should start having serious discussions far away from the eyes of the discussion forum, in order to have engaging and polite conversations?
 
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Angels are awesome. And they tend to have really cool names.
And depending on which testament look like they belong in Lovecraft, or like Lovecraft was inspired by them, seriously some of those things are scary.

Thanks for not hating us on policy like so many people seem to. Religion's become so polarizing in recent times, it's nice to talk to someone who can respect the beliefs of others. :)
As an aside, when hasn't religion been polarising in some form? :) Not trying to be disrespectful, you and anyone who holds religious can do their things and I'll do mine and we'll try not to step on each others toes and all can be good in my books.
 
And depending on which testament look like they belong in Lovecraft, or like Lovecraft was inspired by them, seriously some of those things are scary.
There's a reason they prefaced their message to the shepherds with "Fear not!", simply put it's because they look like (and given the city-smiting, are) something to fear.
 
And depending on which testament look like they belong in Lovecraft, or like Lovecraft was inspired by them, seriously some of those things are scary.
Pretty sure it was the latter. The Bible has a lot of vaguely Lovecraftian content, and I suspect he purposefully used aspects of real religions in order to make his fictional cults and horrors more disturbing. People are afraid of alien monsters...but they're more afraid of perversions of things they already know of. A truly alien being would likely be invisible, due to not reflecting visible light or being in contact with the same dimensions we are...but a giant bulbous mass of eyes and teeth and tentacles with hints of human and animal features worked in there, alongside the twisted sensation of something that doesn't quite conform to the shape of reality, but isn't so distant from it as to not touch it, is both easier to imagine and more disturbing to contemplate.


As an aside, when hasn't religion been polarising in some form? :) Not trying to be disrespectful, you and anyone who holds religious can do their things and I'll do mine and we'll try not to step on each others toes and all can be good in my books.
What religion you subscribe to has always been polarizing. But it's a strange world where I find myself standing up for other religious groups, simply because we both have faith in something. The Theist / Aethiest divide is wider and harsher than it has been in a long time. I'll confess that I'm often surprised when I'm able to speak to an aetheist without having broken logic and memorized rhetoric shoved at me.

Of course, I suppose it's the same from the other side. The unthinking are the ones who piss the rest of us off, driving us to ever greater conflict. Speaking civilly about such things always restores a little of my faith in humanity...which has been dwindling rather rapidly over the last few years.
 
Pretty sure it was the latter. The Bible has a lot of vaguely Lovecraftian content, and I suspect he purposefully used aspects of real religions in order to make his fictional cults and horrors more disturbing. People are afraid of alien monsters...but they're more afraid of perversions of things they already know of. A truly alien being would likely be invisible, due to not reflecting visible light or being in contact with the same dimensions we are...but a giant bulbous mass of eyes and teeth and tentacles with hints of human and animal features worked in there, alongside the twisted sensation of something that doesn't quite conform to the shape of reality, but isn't so distant from it as to not touch it, is both easier to imagine and more disturbing to contemplate.
Nice descriptions, I'm going to have to keep them in mind if/when I get the chance to write more alien monster types. I especially like the not reflecting light ideas, very intriguing.

What religion you subscribe to has always been polarizing. But it's a strange world where I find myself standing up for other religious groups, simply because we both have faith in something. The Theist / Aethiest divide is wider and harsher than it has been in a long time. I'll confess that I'm often surprised when I'm able to speak to an aetheist without having broken logic and memorized rhetoric shoved at me.

Of course, I suppose it's the same from the other side. The unthinking are the ones who piss the rest of us off, driving us to ever greater conflict. Speaking civilly about such things always restores a little of my faith in humanity...which has been dwindling rather rapidly over the last few years.
It's probably best to avoid discussing which side feels the others arguments don't work and why. Though I have had a few interesting religious discussions and debates with up and to including Mormons who came by where I compared some other religious beliefs and we discussed the down/up turn of human morality over the last sixty years.

We need more kittens in here.
 
I have no idea what this thing is but:
The thing is a shield that PinkGold girl gave us:


Canon!Homura uses it to time travel and to access her personal hammerspace; we are apparently using it as a solar powered cat seat. :)
But honestly, I try not to think about my mortality often. It's really depressing and infuriating.
A while back I found what I consider to be the best, and most comforting, view of mortality in a fanfic, of all places:
Harry thought of the stars, the image that had almost held off the Dementor even without a Patronus. Only this time, Harry added the missing ingredient, he'd never truly seen it but he'd seen the pictures and the video. The Earth, blazing blue and white with reflected sunlight as it hung in space, amid the black void and the brilliant points of light. It belonged there, within that image, because it was what gave everything else its meaning. The Earth was what made the stars significant, made them more than uncontrolled fusion reactions, because it was Earth that would someday colonize the galaxy, and fulfill the promise of the night sky.

Would they still be plagued by Dementors, the children's children's children, the distant descendants of humankind as they strode from star to star? No. Of course not. The Dementors were only little nuisances, paling into nothingness in the light of that promise; not unkillable, not invincible, not even close. You had to put up with little nuisances, if you were one of the lucky and unlucky few to be born on Earth; on Ancient Earth, as it would be remembered someday. That too was part of what it meant to be alive, if you were one of the tiny handful of sentient beings born into the beginning of all things, before intelligent life had come fully into its power. That the much vaster future depended on what you did here, now, in the earliest days of dawn, when there was still so much darkness to be fought, and temporary nuisances like Dementors.

Mum and Dad, Hermione's friendship and Draco's journey, Neville and Seamus and Lavender and Dean, the blue sky and brilliant Sun and all bright things, the Earth, the stars, the promise, everything humanity was and everything it would become...

On the wand, Harry's fingers moved into their starting positions; he was ready, now, to think the right sort of warm and happy thought.

And Harry's eyes stared directly at that which lay beneath the tattered cloak, looked straight at that which had been named Dementor. The void, the emptiness, the hole in the universe, the absence of color and space, the open drain through which warmth poured out of the world.

The fear it exuded stole away all happy thoughts, its closeness drained your power and strength, its kiss would destroy everything that you were.

I know you now, Harry thought as his wand twitched once, twice, thrice and four times, as his fingers slid exactly the right distances, I comprehend your nature, you symbolize Death, through some law of magic you are a shadow that Death casts into the world.

And Death is not something I will ever embrace.

It is only a childish thing, that the human species has not yet outgrown.

And someday...

We'll get over it...

And people won't have to say goodbye any more...

The wand rose up and leveled straight at the Dementor.

"EXPECTO PATRONUM!"

The thought exploded from him like a breaking dam, surged down his arm into his wand, burst from it as blazing white light. Light that became corporeal, took on shape and substance.

A figure with two arms, two legs, and a head, standing upright; the animal Homo sapiens, the shape of a human being.

Glowing brighter and brighter as Harry poured all his strength into his spell, blazing with incandescent light brighter than the fading sunset, the Aurors and Professor Quirrell shielding their eyes in shock -

And someday when the descendants of humanity have spread from star to star, they won't tell the children about the history of Ancient Earth until they're old enough to bear it; and when they learn they'll weep to hear that such a thing as Death had ever once existed!

The figure of a human shone more brilliant now than the noonday Sun, so radiant that Harry could feel the warmth of it on his skin; and Harry sent out all his defiance at the shadow of Death, opening all the floodgates inside him to make that bright shape blaze even brighter and yet brighter.

You are not invincible, and someday the human species will end you.

I will end you if I can, by the power of mind and magic and science.

I won't cower in fear of Death, not while I have a chance of winning.

I won't let Death touch me, I won't let Death touch the ones I love.

And even if you do end me before I end you,

Another will take my place, and another,

Until the wound in the world is healed at last...

Harry lowered his wand, and the bright figure of a human faded away.

Slowly, he exhaled.

Like waking up from a dream, like opening his eyes after sleep, Harry's gaze moved away from the cage, he looked around and saw that everyone was staring at him.

Albus Dumbledore was staring at him.

Professor Quirrell was staring at him.

The Auror trio was staring at him.

They were all looking at him like they'd just seen him destroy a Dementor.

The tattered cloak lay empty within the cage.
 
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It is also Osiris's cat, apparently.

Also, seeing that picture of the Homushield oddly enough makes me wonder how Lego would handle it if they ended up making PMMM sets.
Interesting.

Homura would totally have the Lego serious/pouty face in her long haired mode, it owuld be hilariously adorable I'm sure. The real trouble would be the Witches, those do not lend themselves to block construction.
 
Interesting.

Homura would totally have the Lego serious/pouty face in her long haired mode, it owuld be hilariously adorable I'm sure. The real trouble would be the Witches, those do not lend themselves to block construction.
Oh, I imagine many of them could work out given creative applications of various techniques (e.g., pieces from more recent Hero Factory, Chima, and Bionicle sets going towards Oktavia's upper body, and Charlotte's clown-snake being more based off of the sorts of body-pieces that got used for some older dinosaur sets).

Smaller sets would include Mami w/ Tiro Finale and Sayaka and Kyouko at the train station, medium-sized sets would be Homura's apartment (pendulum and all), Mami's apartment, and Madoka's room (yeah my mind for the medium-sized sets was kinda running-on-empty), and larger sets would be Mitakihara Middle (the classroom Madoka, Sayaka, and Homura are in at any rate), VS Charlotte, and VS Oktavia, with the huge set probably being Walpurgisnacht (complete with Madokami minifig and alternate Ribbon!Homu hair piece!). :V
 
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Just for the record, despite popular belief, Hell isn't mean to be a punishment. It's meant to be a place outside God's authority. That is what makes it suck.

Anyway, I have no idea what this thing is, but

[x] New thing to sit on. Sit on it.
 
...I know that feeling. It's why I can't allow this place to be everything that exists. I gain everything and lose nothing from having Faith...honestly, if I didn't, I think I'd have died a long time ago. A world this flat...a world devoid of meaning isn't something I can exist in.


Fang-Hua's reaction was amazing. Totally wanted to hug her when that happened.


Madoka had just snapped a little, I think. She can get away with despairing as long as she's human...and watching Sayaka lose hope and happiness definitely took a chunk out of her. Honestly...she probably made that Wish because she couldn't bring herself to accept the world she'd found herself in. She could either crumble under the weight of despair...or tear it apart with her own hands. She made the right decision.

This is part of my view too. That and, what makes sense to me in my deepest heart, is that souls do not die, nor are constrained either in heaven or hell (I like to think there's more freedom and open-endedness). I personally think the Universe (in the sense of all of existence, as well as possibility and spirituality and meta stuffs and things) is a web, and some of the strands that weave all through it are those of a benevolent and eternal force/being, which has many personas and manifestations.

I'm Wiccan, in case you were wondering. :p But I was brought up Christian (my mom's very much on the mystic side of Christianity, and shaped a lot of my views on Deity), and I strongly believe that every view on spiritual, religious, philosophical, etc things is valuable and true in it's own way. It's hard to explain, but yeah.

And now, a light-hearted quote that feels appropriate (and will probably delight my fellow Witch.)

Without Love it cannot be seen. (Golden because it's my heart's truth.)

This. Very much this. I realize that being a magical girl is a painful, dangerous, damning thing, but this exact reason that Higure talks about is why I always scratch my head when most PMMM quests default to "NO ONE MUST CONTRACT EVER AGAIN" as a metagame goal, and an in-character goal as soon as there's in-character knowledge of the lich and witch bombs.. Living is also painful, dangerous, and damning, and in PMMM's narrative metaphors, having hope requires the characters to embrace that pain, danger, and damnation in order to act.

EDIT: And, as a side effect, it makes me chuckle that the "NO ONE MUST CONTRACT EVER AGAIN" default means SV players are basically Homura.

This. Often I get why players try to stop the other characters from contracting, but they don't really have an alternate route of agency. Mainly since it's a magical girl story. I sorta expect magical girls. :V

Sorry for the waxing poetic. ^^' It is lovely to have this discussion though, especially since I oddly felt my depression improve after typing that out.

[x]Sit on the thing?
I did not realize it was our Shield at first. o_O
 
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Oh, I imagine many of them could work out given creative applications of various techniques (e.g., pieces from more recent Hero Factory, Chima, and Bionicle sets going towards Oktavia's upper body, and Charlotte's clown-snake being more based off of the sorts of body-pieces that got used for some older dinosaur sets).

Smaller sets would include Mami w/ Tiro Finale and Sayaka and Kyouko at the train station, medium-sized sets would be Homura's apartment (pendulum and all), Mami's apartment, and Madoka's room (yeah my mind for the medium-sized sets was kinda running-on-empty), and larger sets would be Mitakihara Middle (the classroom Madoka, Sayaka, and Homura are in at any rate), VS Charlotte, and VS Oktavia, with the huge set probably being Walpurgisnacht (complete with Madokami minifig and alternate Ribbon!Homu hair piece!). :V
Tiro Finale would be hilariously oversized for a Lego character, it'd probably require a stand of some sort. Admittedly I have not kept as up to date on Lego as I maybe should so you raise excellent points. Though I was also thinking of Barriers in this context.

Just for the record, despite popular belief, Hell isn't mean to be a punishment. It's meant to be a place outside God's authority. That is what makes it suck.
Why let people go there then if not as a form of punishment and or why are the ones there being tortured... unless the one in charge of Hell is just a jerk which I guess can work.
 
I'd totally buy a Lego set based off of Madoka Magica. Though considering the subject matter, maybe Mega Blocks would end up with a license. Unless 4Kids got the dub, but that never had a chance in hell of happening.
 
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