Mana Based System - FoZ/Gamer
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azoicennead
Overly-Affectionate Zombie Squad
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Emotions are not a psychological status effect.
Dark Ness
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But PTSD is.
Baughn
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Who decides?
It may be that it includes immunity to whatever psychological elements the user feels are wrong.
Depends on the system. 'Enraged' often is, after all.
azoicennead
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Right, sorry, didn't quite catch the context of your post. Quoting what you're responding to helps avoid that.
Sure, but "Angry" (which is the emotion associated with rage) isn't.
... Or at least I've never heard of it being one.
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In the Gamer, you are calm. You can "feel" anger, but it won't cloud your mind.
Right, so how does Taunting work then?
azoicennead
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That, punishing not attacking the taunter, and just flat-out forcing them to attack the taunter are a few I've seen.
Except the reassurance is: "We have her word and thus, by extension, the word of her family", and so long no one important tries to force matters, it's all reassurance that it merits. The insult comes essentially by the implication that Louise's words are not good enough to take on their own and they need to actually check for proof. Even if only to reassure a third party, it's still an insult, if one by proxy, and even so, unless the source of the insult was strong enough to twist the Academy's arm into such action, the staff wouldn't escape any of the blame for the insult either.
Again, it's a matter of honor among high nobility, reasonably accepting that others won't accept your word and need evidence is not on the cards.
Louise just can't win. They all just want their punching bag. Makes sense though.
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True, how is that relevant to the discussion?
PTSD is having the natural symptoms to stress and trauma not go away, if Gamer's Mind doesn't eliminate those reactions it doesn't do anything.
Problem with this is:
1)They don't have her word unless they ask her.
2)If they go as far as asking but don't do anything else they open both themselves and the Valleires to other attacks.
3)The suggestion was that Louise was damaged by something, given her reputation as "Louise the Zero" no one would accept she knows enough to give an accurate assessment (not even her own family).
azoicennead
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It was an response to this line of discussion:
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Oh, missed that. Thanks.
Baughn
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I would be surprised if it doesn't negate those.
My thoughts were that less problematic elements, such as "cowardice in the face of overwhelming numbers" or "A sound sense of self-preservation" might also be negated, if Louise happens to think of them as something Gamer's mind should handle. It's a question of whether that power was set up in advance (and if so, by who/what), or if it's based on Louise's ideas (and if so, which ones, and with what limits).
They actually do, if implicitly so. To claim that she's currently not able to use magic is to essentially accuse her of intentionally and dishonestly perpetuating a falsehood. Childish ill natured rumors of this nature wouldn't garner much attention, specially so long they don't go much farther than the academy itself and no one starts invoking their families, but that's only so long nothing official is done and it can be ignored as, at the very most, kids being kids (aka, immature and stupid). Official action on the part of the academy on the other hand is not something that can be ignored at all, and even just tolerating it without recompense would be risking appearing somewhat weak. Although, as I comment on the next point, proper phrasing can help somewhat with it.
Kinda, but not really so long it's well phrased. They wouldn't be questioning, interrogating or demanding her to give her account her in any way, but just asking if she would mind telling her story (while making it clear that her story obviously is true, it's so they can know it) as to stop any misunderstandings. And if someone accuses her of lying afterwards, well, no way for it not be clearly interpreted as an attack on her and her family honor, and be dealt as such.
The thing is, as far as politics go, specially with how Louise is so incredibly disciplined as to just about never first escalate into throwing her family name around, "Louise the Zero" is a completely different person than "Louise le Blanc de La Valliere". And while the first can be mocked, teased, bullied and have rumors spread about with little to no consequence, the second is the one who is relevant when it comes to any actual official action that is not routine and/or strictly SOP given the situation.
If you read the actual Manwa the effects of Gamer's Mind is pretty clear. It prevents him from panicking, freezing in terror or otherwise reaching emotional extremes that render him unable to make decisions properly. It give him the same kind of ability to step back and solve the problem that he has when he is playing a game. Thus Gamer's Mind.
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I think you are saying that due to Louise never throwing her family's weight around that while Louise the Zero is a target for small time jabs and rumor mongering, the moment actual authority comes into view, she is a lot harder to actually damage her reputation?
If so I don't quite understand why. Could you explain it to me?
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While true to an extent, that doesn't make Louise le Blanc de La Valliere any more able to tell if she is affected by something else.
This isn't (at least officially) "Louise is faking her magic", it's "Louise's magic was altered by something harmful". Given that the setting has entities which are known to be able to do the later and which no one would expect any student to be able to deal with the later can be presented in a way which does not reflect badly on anyone. Granted the attackers didn't do that but that's what the school was trying to turn it to.
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Medeival and Early Modern culture had no difficulty with having several different identities each with different rights and privileges in the same person. If Louise had been throwing around her family's authority and name dropping she'd have made it difficult to separate "Louise the Zero, academy student with a poor record" from "Louise le Blanc de La Valliere, youngest daughter of the second most powerful noble in the land and the Princess' best friend" and made it possible for people to attack the later (and be extension her family and possibly even the royal family) while pretending it's just a bit of scoolyard taunting of the former.
Since Louise has kept a clear separation between her various identities there's no confusion an attacker can hide behind.
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So, because Louise always kept her family out of the school yard, all attacks against her were against her, and the use of her family name draws her family into it?
Sounds like that's the case.
tarrangar
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Ok then when you can cast any actual spell in an element you are a dot, I didn't mean that someone who can't cast that element is a dot mage.
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There are equivilants in the modern world.
For example, a millatary officer is expected to have no public political opinion, but is expected to vote in his private life. A cop has arrest powers, amongst others, but only while operating as a cop.
That show it, a little?
Way I see it is there are two circles of influence for Louise, you have her at school where she is the zero and another one where she is the daughter of a high ranking noble. By keeping the two circles of influence separate she makes it harder for any potential enemies to attack her family through her and hide behind the excuse that they are only making fun of her as a student. Thus if one starts to make fun of her or belittle her they make sure to invoke her nickname of zero, to avoid possibly making an enemy out of an important family.