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LokiQuest: Re-Reshape and Retry (CK2)

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Star said:
How are we control freak for giving him planet for free to be his new kingdom and are only asking for trade?
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It's being a control freak because it's blatantly obvious the write in that the write in was created by someone that has an extreme irrational bias against Amora. For gods sake, it's pretty much blatantly intended so that the Nine Realms don't get a ruler and someone capable because it would mean that they would be under Amora despite still having immense freedom. It's pretty much blatantly trying to tie Osmond to us and take him away from the Nine Realms for no good reason. I mean we could have just told him to pick what he wanted and presenting the pros and cons. Then you put in a write in specifically meant to persuade him from saying yes to Amora's deal despite said deal actually being pretty damn amazing.
Comic616 said:
[X] Decisive
-[x] Gloves
--[x] [Forging]
---[x]13 mind magic
----[x] Telepathy (1 point)
-----[x] City Wide (2 points, 1 point if Building-wide is chosen)
-----[x]Easy (1 point)
-----[x]Hidden (1 point)
----[x] Mental Devastation: -Mind from rolls (8 points)


-[x] [Hellbindi] Write-In: I can give you the Exo-Suit but the magic serum and bodies are tricky. Those are secrets that only my most loyal has access to. Besides if this is my birthday present to you where's mines brother. So in the spirit of our missed birthdays I will give you the bodies and the serums if you swear an oath under binding to me. The oath will just reinforce our alliance. You swear that you will not harm me, my interests, allies, and report any plot against me.


-[x] [Tyr Exosuit]
--[x] 2 Ice magic
--[x] 1 magic sensing
--[x] 13 Transformation


-[x] [Asgard Attack] Yes
--[x] Activate Exo-Suit
--[x] Stick and protect Torunn. Coordinate with Tyr and Egil.
--[x] Send Sif a message on what is happening especially about Torunn.
--[x] Connect to Torunn and tell her to stay close and don't do anything rash.
--[x] Send a message to Sigyn to use the suit for her self defense and to evacuate to a safe place.
--[x] Use telepathy to find locations of friendly units.
--[x] Use telepathy to get in to contact with Asgards surveillence and find the locations of hostiles.
---[x] If there is no surveillence then use telepathy to find locations.
--[x] Find out about Asgards defences and protocols from Egil using telepathy.


-[x][Osmond] Osmond, you are my best friend and only you can make this choice. Think based on your goals and if this can further them. Think about the trade offs and if it brings more positives then negatives and make your decision.


I did not like the addition of the Osmond write in, it sounds like we are just trying to get him to work under us.
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Agreed.

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I am absolutely sick and tired of people's irrational issues with Amora and am now going to vote against any option that is blatantly influenced by it. Hopefully that would get people to freaking knock it off already.

Edit: Never mind, it was removed.
 
Whats so wrong about giving our bud a choice ?

Just a thought but maybe next turn we can transfer Skrullos to Sigyn, whats people thoughts about it?
 
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Darkcore41 said:
-[x][Osmond] Osmond, you are my best friend and only you can make this choice. Think based on your goals and if this can further them. Think about the trade offs and if it brings more positives then negatives and make your decision.
-[x] If this decision is to gain access to a forge, financial and labor instead of purely to help Asgard I can help with those things. Pluto can be made habitable and I can begin recruiting settlers for this new world for you to govern over. If this is the case the only thing I ask for is mutual trade.

Osmond has few emotions, if he says he dislikes Amora we shouldn't push him in to the deal. Just let him use his logic to decide what's best for himself. Loki keeping him would be selfish and one sided.
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I thought you said you were changing this?
 
Well it's close now. I'll wait to see the outcome.
Adhoc vote count started by Black King on Jan 26, 2020 at 3:56 PM, finished with 163 posts and 10 votes.
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    [X] Hard Decision
    [X] Decisive
    [X] A crown
    [X][Forge] Mind Magic​

    ---[X] Mental Devastation: -Mind from rolls (8 points)​

    ---[X] Psychic: Reroll Enemy Martial Roll (5 points)​

    -[X] [Tyr Exosuit]​

    --[X] 2 Ice magic​

    --[X] 1 magic sensing​

    --[X] 13 Transformation ​
    Magic
    [X][Hellbindi] I'll give you one of those items to you now, and the rest later on, you can choose which one it is though. Also if we're discussing birthday presents, then you owe me quite a few brother.
    [X][Asgard Attack] Yes
    [X] Focus on both protecting your loved ones, and finding the source of where the Dark elves are coming from.
    -[x] Try and kill both their leader and Strongest member, use Lokiforce if necessary, but only if necessary.
    --[x] Have Sigyn call for the Chitauri to support Asgard as soon as possible.
    [X][Osmond] Osmond, you are without a doubt my best friend, and that is why I can't make this choice for you. Do whatever you think is right, and I will support you through it all.
    [X] A Glove
    [X] Enchants
    -[x] Conjuration +11
    -[x] Magic Sensing +1
    -[x] Telekinesis +1
    [X] [Tyr Exosuit] (+16)
    --[x] Ice Magic (+2)
    --[x] Magic Sensing (+1)
    --[x] Ice Immunity
    --[x] Transformation Magic (+13)
    [X] Hard Decision
    -[x] Gloves
    --[x] [Forging]
    ---[x]13 mind magic
    ----[x] Telepathy (1 point)
    -----[x] City Wide (2 points, 1 point if Building-wide is chosen)
    -----[x]Easy (1 point)
    -----[x]Hidden (1 point)
    ----[x] Mental Devastation: -Mind from rolls (8 points)
    -[x] [Hellbindi] Write-In: I can give you the Exo-Suit but the magic serum and bodies are tricky. Those are secrets that only my most loyal has access to. Besides if this is my birthday present to you where's mines brother. So in the spirit of our missed birthdays I will give you the bodies and the serums if you swear an oath under binding to me. The oath will just reinforce our alliance. You swear that you will not harm me, my interests, allies, and report any plot against me.
    -[x] [Tyr Exosuit]
    --[x] 2 Ice magic
    --[x] 1 magic sensing
    --[x] 13 Transformation
    -[x] [Asgard Attack] Yes
    --[x] Activate Exo-Suit
    --[x] Stick and protect Torunn. Coordinate with Tyr and Egil.
    --[x] Send Sif a message on what is happening especially about Torunn.
    --[x] Connect to Torunn and tell her to stay close and don't do anything rash.
    --[x] Send a message to Sigyn to use the suit for her self defense and to evacuate to a safe place.
    --[x] Use telepathy to find locations of friendly units.
    --[x] Use telepathy to get in to contact with Asgards surveillence and find the locations of hostiles.
    ---[x] If there is no surveillence then use telepathy to find locations.
    --[x] Find out about Asgards defences and protocols from Egil using telepathy.
    -[x][Osmond] Osmond, you are my best friend and only you can make this choice. Think based on your goals and if this can further them. Think about the trade offs and if it brings more positives then negatives and make your decision.
    -[x] If this decision is to gain access to a forge, financial and labor instead of purely to help Asgard I can help with those things. Pluto can be made habitable and I can begin recruiting settlers for this new world for you to govern over. If this is the case the only thing I ask for is mutual trade.
    --[X][Forge] Mind Magic
    [X] Decisive
    -[x] Gloves
    --[x] [Forging]
    ---[x]13 mind magic
    ----[x] Telepathy (1 point)
    -----[x] City Wide (2 points, 1 point if Building-wide is chosen)
    -----[x]Easy (1 point)
    -----[x]Hidden (1 point)
    ----[x] Mental Devastation: -Mind from rolls (8 points)
    -[x] [Hellbindi] Write-In: I can give you the Exo-Suit but the magic serum and bodies are tricky. Those are secrets that only my most loyal has access to. Besides if this is my birthday present to you where's mines brother. So in the spirit of our missed birthdays I will give you the bodies and the serums if you swear an oath under binding to me. The oath will just reinforce our alliance. You swear that you will not harm me, my interests, allies, and report any plot against me.
    -[x] [Tyr Exosuit]
    --[x] 2 Ice magic
    --[x] 1 magic sensing
    --[x] 13 Transformation
    -[x] [Asgard Attack] Yes
    --[x] Activate Exo-Suit
    --[x] Stick and protect Torunn. Coordinate with Tyr and Egil.
    --[x] Send Sif a message on what is happening especially about Torunn.
    --[x] Connect to Torunn and tell her to stay close and don't do anything rash.
    --[x] Send a message to Sigyn to use the suit for her self defense and to evacuate to a safe place.
    --[x] Use telepathy to find locations of friendly units.
    --[x] Use telepathy to get in to contact with Asgards surveillence and find the locations of hostiles.
    ---[x] If there is no surveillence then use telepathy to find locations.
    --[x] Find out about Asgards defences and protocols from Egil using telepathy.
    -[x][Osmond] Osmond, you are my best friend and only you can make this choice. Think based on your goals and if this can further them. Think about the trade offs and if it brings more positives then negatives and make your decision.
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Darkcore41 said:
I changed it so he gets the planet free of charge, no strings attached. He rules his own planet and Loki gives control to him.
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...That seems like the same exact thing except making it come across that you actually changed anything. Why not make the offer after he made his decision? Otherwise it's just seems like blatantly trying to sway him away from his decision. It also was not alright to make last minute changes right when the vote was about to be called. Seriously, what the hell man? That's just a dick move and makes it so that people don't trust you not to pull this exact crap in the future.

Warning you now. If you keep this up I am going to go out of my way to make my own votes based on yours to avoid you pulling this shit in the future. And don't try to make excuses, the Amora thing is just getting absolutely tiring for everyone else and how you blatantly let it influence your decisions to the point of changing it at the last possible minute despite you knowing that people would not be happy as shown with people immediately changing their votes right after.

[X] Decisive
 
Red Bovine said:
...That seems like the same exact thing except making it come across that you actually changed anything. Why not make the offer after he made his decision? Otherwise it's just seems like blatantly trying to sway him away from his decision. It also was not alright to make last minute changes right when the vote was about to be called. Seriously, what the hell man? That's just a dick move and makes it so that people don't trust you not to pull this exact crap in the future.

Warning you now. If you keep this up I am going to go out of my way to make my own votes based on yours to avoid you pulling this shit in the future. And don't try to make excuses, the Amora thing is just getting absolutely tiring for everyone else and how you blatantly let it influence your decisions to the point of changing it at the last possible minute despite you knowing that people would not be happy as shown with people immediately changing their votes right after.

[X] Decisive
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Yes Amora thing is getting tiring indeed, cant help a friend without people thinking its against Amora. Hopefully this regency ends and we get transported far from her.
 
Red Bovine said:
the Amora thing is just getting absolutely tiring for everyone else and how you blatantly let it influence your decisions to the point of changing it at the last possible minute despite you knowing that people would not be happy as shown with people immediately changing their votes right after.
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You keep complaining about people being wary about Amora but do the exact thing when it's about Hellbindi or even Karnilla. You also keep pushing Osmond towards Amora, but call people control freaks when they don't want him under Amora? Relax man.
 
Red Bovine said:
...That seems like the same exact thing except making it come across that you actually changed anything. Why not make the offer after he made his decision? Otherwise it's just seems like blatantly trying to sway him away from his decision. It also was not alright to make last minute changes right when the vote was about to be called. Seriously, what the hell man? That's just a dick move and makes it so that people don't trust you not to pull this exact crap in the future.

Warning you now. If you keep this up I am going to go out of my way to make my own votes based on yours to avoid you pulling this shit in the future. And don't try to make excuses, the Amora thing is just getting absolutely tiring for everyone else and how you blatantly let it influence your decisions to the point of changing it at the last possible minute despite you knowing that people would not be happy as shown with people immediately changing their votes right after.

[X] Decisive
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When I changed it I stated I changed it, not doing it without your knowledge so get off your self righteousness streak. We aren't telling him to do anything and giving him another choice. People complained it sounded like we were making him work under us so I just gave him the planet with financial backing. Has nothing to do with Amora at all, it is your bias to see that in everything.

Also only two people except you changed votes the others didn't even vote originally and Tyr is biased because of being an NPC.

I gave people a heads up and nearly more then two hours to change their votes.
 
DreamCWeaver said:
...we literally voted to become king.
You advocated that all the time.
Why are we suddenly saying no?
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I think it's because everytime we get a vote like this people keep saying any option that is not bending over is against Amora. This makes people who are doing it for different reasons angry. On top of that the NPCs have their own agendas that bias their votes in these cases.

Edit: Honestly a lot of people keep playing this quest like we are playing Amora. Loki can't disagree with anyone especially Amora or give options seperate from her. People brought up good reasons as to why not to activate her, her sister and let her in to the library. Odin afterwards even told us we shouldn't let her in to the library. Then we have the incident of Lorelei mind raping Loki that we never did anything in retaliation. Now we are giving a friend a choice and it is automatically against Amora. So you know what we should just gain a successor and leave. Then no one can say we are doing anything against Amora.
 
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DreamCWeaver said:
...we literally voted to become king.
You advocated that all the time.
Why are we suddenly saying no?
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Don't like people manipulating Osmond to be under Amora. It's always about Asgard, and less about Loki. Would honestly prefer us leaving Jotunheim if it stops us getting involved with Asgards problems all the time instead of finding ways to help Odin and reconnecting with Habrok.

I like Amora as a character, but people always make you out as anti Amora if you even dare to disagree with her which honestly sucks.
 
Mostlyblue said:
Don't like people manipulating Osmond to be under Amora. It's always about Asgard, and less about Loki. Would honestly prefer us leaving Jotunheim if it stops us getting involved with Asgards problems all the time instead of finding ways to help Odin and reconnecting with Habrok.

I like Amora as a character, but people always make you out as anti Amora if you even dare to disagree with her which honestly sucks.
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Are you in a mood to quit?
 
Darkcore41 said:
I think it's because everytime we get a vote like this people keep saying any option that is not bending over is against Amora. This makes people who are doing it for different reasons angry. On top of that the NPCs have their own agendas that bias their votes in these cases.
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Not really...mostly.
 
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