LokiQuest: Re-Reshape and Retry (CK2)
- Thread starter Black King
- Start date
- Location
- Hala
What do you propose then?
QM controls everything? Which will lead to everyone complaining about conflict of interest.
The Merc maimed the King and the Queen.... He is not an idiot.
- Location
- New Mexico
Sorry, I was away for this... but it looks like I would have wasted it if I were here.
I hear you, but Thanos literally is known as the Mad Titan, so I'm not going to give the QM a hard time over having a literally insane character have a "convoluted bullshit plan that was completely unnecessary."
This.
See above: insane.
Yes. Snapping your fingers and making half of all life die out doesn't solve the problem; in fact it makes it worse:
Half of all life on planet X dies, among this is a vital piece of the ecosystem that was endangered by some natural event like forest fire or something, that further half of their population dooms them to extinction, their extinction means the ecosystem collapses: what once was a living planet is dead.
The "reverse-snap" is also a non-solution: all the things that were there come back... five years later. This means that all the Planet X stuff that was dusted come back to a planet of dust to die a slow, painful death.
We attracted attention. Attention that we ended up not wanting; shit like that happens in real life, too.
Thank you for the laugh — your rant is quite humorous and makes an excellent point.
That is.... actually pretty in-character.
Especially considering (a) Thor 1 hasn't happened, and (b) he's like a twentieth the age he was in Thor 1.
What?
Are you as insane as Thanos? — We've been taking the beef-up security option pretty consistently, how were we supposed to know that all that investment would be 106 people?
This.
- Location
- Pee Pee Poo Poo
I mean we had someone who messed around with Thor for shits and giggles. At the very least we should know what they do since they know what we pick?
- Location
- New Mexico
@Sanas22 — Best plan, so far. Add my +8 to the insta-kill roll.
[x] Trickster is still my motherf***ing middle name.
- Location
- Hala
Important:
- The only enemies left alive are the Merc Leader and Thanos.
- The Merc Leader is giving us medicine, not the cure. Odin and Frigga would require medical assistance after this.
- The Merc Leader is powerful even without Gungnir, Hofund and the Sceptre. He has something special that would be applied in combat roll.
- Thanos needs to be killed ASAP. He still has Titan to draw his forces from. He can easily win within the next turn. (Yes he would win with the double attack.)
Edit: Also
Thanos is pissed.
- The only enemies left alive are the Merc Leader and Thanos.
- The Merc Leader is giving us medicine, not the cure. Odin and Frigga would require medical assistance after this.
- The Merc Leader is powerful even without Gungnir, Hofund and the Sceptre. He has something special that would be applied in combat roll.
- Thanos needs to be killed ASAP. He still has Titan to draw his forces from. He can easily win within the next turn. (Yes he would win with the double attack.)
Edit: Also
Thanos is pissed.
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Omake: Loud birds aren't good for stealth Loki
Sena Kumo
The Tenth Wandering Cloud
- Location
- Portugal
Loud birds aren't good for stealth Loki.
Loki Odinson, was busy performing a very important task. A very, very important task that has a very high risk of failure, especialy when this time he is somewhat handicaped.
Such task required timing, finesse, precision, subtleness, stealth an-
*CAAAAWWW*
...it required stealth and b-
*CAAAAWWWW*
Being-
*CAAAAAAAAAAWWWW*
Being quiet!
"Shush will you!"
"Did you heard something?"
As fast as possible, the somewhat stealthy prince hides and drags the not-stealthy-at-all giant bird with him, lest he wishes to be caught by whoever heard them, for he cannot fail his task.
From the place he is hidden he could see that the one who might have heard them is a plain young girl, with red hair who looks to be in her early twenties. From a distance he could see another one who seems to carry a bag with her. Probably bought something.
The red haired keeps looking from a distance for a few more seconds before turning around and saying.
"It must have been my imagination."
It is not until that both girls are from a safe distance, and fifteen seconds later that Loki breathes a sigh of relief. Being caught so easely would have been embarrasing.
Though the responsible for that would have been his companion for this task. The task of be-
*CAAAW*
...the task, of being sneaky.
"...you really can't help yourself, can't you?"
*caww*
"Oh right, I still haven't taught you how to communicate."
That's right, Loki is again in his self-imposed training to improve his stealth techniques, making himself increasingly harder to spot or detect no matter where he is.
Such abilities would be a huge help should he need to infiltrate an important spot, tail someone without being noticed and...well, pranking others.
The last one is the least important reason by a long shot.
He swears!
Having already started training the previous years, he though things would be easy enough fof him, especialy when he showed a knack for it. As such, he had the brilliant of bringing his newly bought pet with him.
Things weren't bad...if we ignore them almost being caught five times. In the first forty minutes since they started and counting.
Frankly speaking, he should have expected that. He only recently bought the roc and began to properly train him. While there was progress, it wasn't a big development.
Being quiet obviously wasn't included in the training. Yet.
Thanfuly the bird would be quiet for a little while when he would actively order him, otherwise they would have being caught at the very beginning...though considering that not even one hour has passed since they began the training...
Yeah, that doesn't paint a pretty picture for him.
But if there was one thing that Loki Odinson was not, it was being a quitter, so even though he has to carry such a glaring handicap with for the entire training, so be it.
Though he still couldn't help but say out loud.
"Loud birds aren't good for stealth."
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Canon, @KnowledgeKing?
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- Location
- Bulgaria
[X] Trickster is still my motherf***ing middle name.
- Location
- Pee Pee Poo Poo
Fuck it
[x] Trickster is still my motherf***ing middle name.
[x] Trickster is still my motherf***ing middle name.
I think he should go for a binding, that is the only guareentied one shot we have unless we roll really high. Considering our luck up to this point I would not bet on high rolls.
- Location
- Hala
How much time does it take to do a binding spell that you ask for? And what is the DC?
- Location
- New Mexico
What is is with binding? I don't think we ever got a clear answer on whether it's binding as with rope, or binding as with The One Ring/Horcruxes.
If anything we should be using Enchantment; why? Easy, because we are much better with Enchantment than binding/sealing.
And in this case, it's a pretty stupid use-case. I mean "Seal the memory of how to control his limbs."? That's probably going to be an insane DC; instead, consider the actual situation: he's wielding three massively powerful artifacts. (Even ignoring the Mindstone, which IC we don't know about, that's pretty stacked.) — So what's the smarter thing to do? Easy, Turn the mind against itself: Enchant up some enhancement of paranoia.
I mean you're a merc, who is holding multiple extreme-power artifacts, led by a guy who attacked a world to "make a friend"... even if you don't know that last part, it's obvious that you, now, are a target.
Good question.
Look at how long it took to use on Thanos to see how long.
@KnowledgeKing
How much DC would it take to bind someone's limbs?
How much DC would it be to seal the memories of how to fight?
How much DC would it take to seal the memories on how to use the artifacts?
How much DC would it be to seal away the skills to fight?
- Location
- United states
I think the issue is that other the players seem like they purposely screwed us over in this case. Which is not helped in that Thanos was given a freaking infinity stone at the start despite him in canon not even trying to acquire them until much later.
- Location
- Fifth Dimension
Rooted out what now? That was just business stuff. And there's a big difference between Asgard and the Universe. If you don't understand the scale then....
And no it's not worth a roll. It'd literally be impossible in the decades between the posts.
You not reading? He attacked this turn because
A. The Titan branch failure got you on his radar
B. You said yes to meeting with him.
And? This isn't canon. Thanos has changed based on his circumstances.
1. He looked at Phoenix Financial and their customers and stole from said customers. Loki heard about it which allowed the electronics roll this turn. He then used that money to get the resources necessary. They didn't listen to him. He just did it. Then once he saved them...they made him King. Since he saved the entire planet.
2. Why would it? It's a stewardship roll as in business and money. Mechanically? It allowed expansion and another action from the Titan PF Branch with bonuses.
And it didn't screw you over. If you didn't get the success, Thanos would do the exact same thing. He only took the loan for appearances. He didn't need it.
You got to take that up with your other voters. I was asked specifically to play them as NPCs who don't roll but do what makes sense for their level of power/stats. So I did. And I never claimed to be balanced btw.
No, visiting Titan caused this...which isn't the destruction of Asgard btw. The loan was for appearances.
Doesn't make sense to give you that information when Loki himself doesn't have it. The controlling of another player didn't matter much. We collabed on him doing this. I may have even suggested it as an in character thing to do. The Infinity Stone is to explain how Thanos got the Mind Scepter. Since otherwise it'd just be completely random.
Also Thanos is insane, not unable to understand others' motivations. Just like in the MCU when he thought the Universe would be grateful when he wiped half of them out.
Thor was also something in character. We KNOW Thor constantly left Asgard and cared little about "The Weak Old Man" and his rulings. If it wasn't in character to me, it wouldn't be an option.
I'm not saying the write-in is a perfect solution. I just mentioned it. Or you guys could've asked more questions. Because at the moment it was a yes or no, which means full control was given to the requester/Thanos. Until you ask questions and counter.
It'd be more like...the Jotun options. Or Casket of Winter options. You guys know Loki has issues with those and it will reveal his heritage, even tho IC he doesn't. Same with Thanos being the Mad Titan.
- Location
- Hala
Maybe I can't find it... And that's why I am asking the person who originally asked. And won't there be time differences between various Binding/Sealing Spells?
- Location
- Fifth Dimension
This is untrue. They don't even read the quest. I have to tell them what happened and why they're activated and what they're responding to.
See above. Also see my last post. He wasn't given one. It was put on Titan so the movies make sense without me literally pulling something out of my magician's hat. It was the same way last quest. The Mind Stone was on Titan.
Read. Loki did know. He just didn't know who because they did it in a way unfamiliar to Loki. Electronically.
Well..if you lose to a group of friends...is that irony? Or poetic justice?
(This is a joke btw).
Also I'm not even sure how one stat grinds in this system. It's just crits...
There are some Loki might recognize if he saw them again. But he has no knowledge of the specific groups they represent right now.
Incorrect. You couldn't leave ONLY because the roll was super low. Like... a 30 or higher would've been yes. And there are multiple options to leave. Read.
He wants Odin's secrets. So yeah.
- Location
- Hala
With the way, the Merc described Odin's and Frigga's injuries... Do you reckon that the latter would even be conscious?
The thing is Giga started playing Thanos when Phoenix Financial contacted Titan for the Branch... and his first action was to make a ton of money (by stealing from Loki's business).
I don't like that he had an Infinity Stone from the start. And at the age of 50 he is already as powerful as Hela.... I mean sure it is achievable... Hela was 41 when Odin sealed her... but still, I agree, it stings.
(And Thor is being controlled by Megacookie, since the start. And we all know how he loves being a dick.)
Attempts happen in seconds, if you go back to when Loki trained it martially it says it could end battles in one touch.
Edit: @KnowledgeKing We didn't know we had to ask questions when Thanos set up the meeting. I thought logically since Thanos asked for Loki this would be a meeting with PF. He didn't say prince Loki, he said Loki. Some others thought it would be on Titan because why would Loki bring someone he doesn't know in to the palace. Loki isn't irresponsible and naive like Thor, unless asked in an official compacity I thought he would default to PF. This was just ooc for Loki to do especially knowing his brother and father are out.
It's also ooc for Frigga to just let Thor go when she knows how precarious the situation. Thor also respected Odin until the Frost giant invasion where Odin said no to war. That's where he thought of him as a frail old man.
Kkutlord
Prince of Breath
- Location
- Indianapolis, Indiana
@KnowledgeKing: Regarding the "fake" Infinity Gauntlet in the vault, what is it actually here? For the MCU proper it makes more sense as a model, explaining why would Hela know it is "fake" and why Odin has a fake for something that was made only recently before Infinity War.
- Location
- United states
This was pointed out but we were missing a lot of information including that we were apparently supposed to meta game which we had absolutely no way of knowing and despite the fact that it's been repeatedly pointed out that the issue with meta gaming is that the info may not be relevant for this quest due to butterflies. Another issue is that you seem to make the mistake in that you while you assume that something is obvious to you, the QM who actually has all the info, it's really nowhere near obvious to the players because their own logic lead them to different conclusions based on the information that we the players had.
Also still think it was extremely unfair for this invasion to happen. Two actions for this to happen was way too little and was pretty much impossible to predict.
- Location
- Hala
It most likely is the Infinity gauntlet... just with fake gems on it.
Eitri had a blueprint of the Infinity gauntlet when he made it for Thanos. Eitri already had an experience making that item.