I mean, he does that. On a regular basis, even. His entire reason for needing a permanent body is that he does this frequently enough to catch disasters long before they can actually happen.
Life Ore Death - DC Feruchemy [Young Justice]
- Thread starter Obloquy
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Obloquy
CrossMyHeart And HopeToDie, StickANeedleInMyEye
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- the Physical Realm
Not the Joker, and not Batman for that matter. The guy in question has been mentioned in a side story, and will be introduced in person later.
Why do you assume that it's only one hook among all of them? It's not like I got a lot of this stuff off of an internet list and you could cross-reference that (assuming I didn't get any ideas from the list and incorporate them for future use
).Ferris may be hiding things, or Dr. Fate may have fibbed about exactly why he's dropping this stuff off, or maybe it was someone else disguised as Dr Fate. Who knows?
Watsonian explanation: Fate is either a) getting back in the swing of things and making more long-term preparations for fighting the forces of Chaos, or b) fibbing slightly to simplify things after getting a tip about upcoming events from a being more prone to easily seeing the future.
Doylist explanation: I needed a reason to introduce some of this stuff, and Fate casting Contact Other Plane a couple of times in his spare hours seemed as good a reason as any.
Doylist explanation: I needed a reason to introduce some of this stuff, and Fate casting Contact Other Plane a couple of times in his spare hours seemed as good a reason as any.
Very perceptive. It's not impossible that any of these items could do something odd, but it would have to involve interacting with other objects, situations, or people with pre-existing conditions.
Actually, she's referring to the time or two when she attended M'gann's cheerleading performances or dropped by around practice time. But the two still don't know that was Renka then, either, so it's the same effect.
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- United States
Would the air-water ring work with Kaldur's water-bearers?
The Sandman
So Zetta Slowpoke
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- Wherever I am, which isn't where I'm not
I wonder if Renka could see the eighth color on that palette.
Also she and Kaldur were having a domestic moment before the party crashers showed up.
Also she and Kaldur were having a domestic moment before the party crashers showed up.
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- Massachussetts
I'm pretty sure Robin would not casually show up in civvies when he's continued to hide his ID from the rest of the team. Plus it would short circuit some of the Gotham Academy side plot.
This is absolutely setting up for future loopholing of magical restrictions. I'm not certain if using the sword of Beowulf will be the important part or if figuring out how to do so will set precedent of Renka understanding magical rules so she can cheat with some future item, but yeah. That whole "how does the sword know" is Significant.
There are a few options, such as checking the wielder for self doubt or for certain mixes of emotions. Identifying which part of the soul/psyche the sword cares about will let Ferris manipulate herself to match its criteria. For example, she has been practicing with storing/tapping compassion, she could temporarily hide inconvenient memories away in a coppermind, or she could alter her connections to those around her. A full feruchemist has a lot of options, especially with access to the atium alloys.
Renka, as the Sliver of Entropy, also has some contextual knowledge to start figuring this out. I am unclear in how much of her cosmere awareness is conscious vs subconscious at this point, but Nightblood is a big deal and had shown up in her thoughts before. That sword, introduced in Warbreaker, was created with the magical command to "destroy evil" but wasn't given any criteria to judge whether something was evil it not. Time spent to understand Nightblood and related artifacts from the cosmere will no doubt give her a head start on her examination of magic items on Earth 16.
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- Australia
Hang on... is the invisible colour a Discworld reference?
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- Leeds
Wow, so theres so much to think about that. I actually don't know how to respond. Please pick one of the following:Completely random discovery:
Holy Boobies, Sportsmaster is fifty five years old during season one
- So he's old enough to have a daughter who is old enough to be this actual daughters mother.
- I wish I'll be that fit when I'm approaching my 60's
- Does that mean he's on the downhill side of his prime? And he still has a comparable matchup against Deathstroke.
- Wasn't he in some war, I feel like we're idiots for only realising this now.
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- texas
Sportsmaster was a Golden Age villain of the Alan Scott Green Lantern and Wildcat, as in WW2 era.
And he's a grandfather in New Earth continuity, his daughter Artemis had Icicle Jr's baby.
So the idea of an old Sportsmaster is kind of old news to me.
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- Leeds
Golden age explains a lot about his design.
A tribute to Obloquy that he actually turned out threatening.
Stripes
Genre-Savvy Anti-Nihilist
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- Nizhniy Novgorod
As person having only osmosis knowledge of DC printed continuity... I must say initial results of Googling "DC Sportsmaster" were... Quite hilarious, to put it lightly.
Golden. Age. Designs. "Nuff said" (c)
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- Leeds
Face it, if you had jet skis you'd ride them everywhere too.As person having only osmosis knowledge of DC printed continuity... I must say initial results of Googling "DC Sportsmaster" were... Quite hilarious, to put it lightly.
Golden. Age. Designs. "Nuff said" (c)
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- Alaska
Face it, if you had jet skis you'd ride them everywhere too.
I see nothing wrong with this image.
Stripes
Genre-Savvy Anti-Nihilist
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- Nizhniy Novgorod
@Obloquy
Recently I started to re-read LOD and watch Young Justice in parallel - without seeing the series before at all.
As of now, I am at Visiting, part 6 and about to launch "Terrors" - and "Bereft" brought up an question... Even if it is more than an year late.
During Bialya operation, was it Renka serving as unreliable narrator or your own small oversight as author?
On first read I imagined the "planes" as A-10's. Recently, during second read, for some reason my subconscious suggested Su-27. Imagine my surprise (and relief) at seeing crossbreed between Predator and Global Hawk drones - which, as the class suggests, are unmanned and fair game for lethal force.
Recently I started to re-read LOD and watch Young Justice in parallel - without seeing the series before at all.
As of now, I am at Visiting, part 6 and about to launch "Terrors" - and "Bereft" brought up an question... Even if it is more than an year late.
During Bialya operation, was it Renka serving as unreliable narrator or your own small oversight as author?
On first read I imagined the "planes" as A-10's. Recently, during second read, for some reason my subconscious suggested Su-27. Imagine my surprise (and relief) at seeing crossbreed between Predator and Global Hawk drones - which, as the class suggests, are unmanned and fair game for lethal force.
Obloquy
CrossMyHeart And HopeToDie, StickANeedleInMyEye
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- the Physical Realm
Huh.
Well, I didn't know that, so Renka certainly didn't know about it (coming from a medieval background), and no one else present would've been paying close enough attention to notice and remember months after the fact, which was when Renka brought it up with M'gann.
So I won't say, "the planes were manned and M'gann killed the pilots," but M'gann doesn't know that they may have been unmanned, so she certainly still thinks she killed anyone on them.
Interesting catch. Other than that, how're the original episodes matching up with my versions? I'm definitely of the opinions that I didn't really hit my stride until around Renka's birthday and the Tower of Fate, but I haven't heard many readers' specific opinions. (Open to other people to answer too, if you have anything you want to say.)
I've got to compliment the artists on that, though, because I can only assume it was intentional.
Any news on whether the jeep with driver that Artemis blew up hard enough to flip over her and Wally's head was also unmanned?
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TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
Huh, maybe I should rewatch that episode myself. I at least remember Superboy smashing some tanks, which certainly are manned. I haven't been catching anything that really sticks out, but it's been a while since I watched the source, so it's not like I would necessarily notice a major error.
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It was manned but they were Doom-Bots so its all good.
Stripes
Genre-Savvy Anti-Nihilist
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- Nizhniy Novgorod
Hmm... Let is see.
The jeep was Hammer-Humvee copycat... Which brings an rather interesting question of what in the seven Hells Green Arrow pack in these arrows to make it flip like that (it can have up to 4.6 metric tons of raw mass).
Artemis landed her arrow right under/behind engine block, which made the vehicle flip in rather spectacular fashion. Unless someone got extremely unlucky, soldiers inside should be safe. Relatively.
Superboy, for all his fury, was surprisingly restrained. Lethal force was reserved for armor - and Abrams tanks got it in spades - while soldiers were mostly knocked out and around.
As for Miss Martian, she could have realized that the air units are drones simply by size (despite their impressive size, they are too small to house proper and safe cockpit).
Parallel watching-reading was an interesting experience. Largest deviations so far (I just finished Matriarchy this night) are, obviously, Tower of Fate ("Denial") and Peace Summit ("Targets"), with the latter being moved to an later date in LOD timeline. This or I, somehow, managed to do an rather major screw up in my reading. Both of them.
Renka overall maturity and experience have an wonderful effect on team cohesion - not to mention all these tiny, little butterfly flaps seeded all over the place.
Sure, there is major deviations like Klarion near destruction - but overall Ferris presence only accelerate some of the canon issues, like Zatanna induction to the team or first stages of metahuman trafficking. But! If some dimensional hopper will go over the timelines with fine tuned comb...
Well, I do not expect it happening until timeskip - but I imagine the domino will start falling soon... And it promise to be absolutely majestic
The jeep was Hammer-Humvee copycat... Which brings an rather interesting question of what in the seven Hells Green Arrow pack in these arrows to make it flip like that (it can have up to 4.6 metric tons of raw mass).
Artemis landed her arrow right under/behind engine block, which made the vehicle flip in rather spectacular fashion. Unless someone got extremely unlucky, soldiers inside should be safe. Relatively.
Superboy, for all his fury, was surprisingly restrained. Lethal force was reserved for armor - and Abrams tanks got it in spades - while soldiers were mostly knocked out and around.
As for Miss Martian, she could have realized that the air units are drones simply by size (despite their impressive size, they are too small to house proper and safe cockpit).
Parallel watching-reading was an interesting experience. Largest deviations so far (I just finished Matriarchy this night) are, obviously, Tower of Fate ("Denial") and Peace Summit ("Targets"), with the latter being moved to an later date in LOD timeline. This or I, somehow, managed to do an rather major screw up in my reading. Both of them.
Renka overall maturity and experience have an wonderful effect on team cohesion - not to mention all these tiny, little butterfly flaps seeded all over the place.
Sure, there is major deviations like Klarion near destruction - but overall Ferris presence only accelerate some of the canon issues, like Zatanna induction to the team or first stages of metahuman trafficking. But! If some dimensional hopper will go over the timelines with fine tuned comb...
Well, I do not expect it happening until timeskip - but I imagine the domino will start falling soon... And it promise to be absolutely majestic
Even A Man - part 7
Obloquy
CrossMyHeart And HopeToDie, StickANeedleInMyEye
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- the Physical Realm
Life Ore Death
* December 3 [Robin PoV]"Oh that is just bullshit," KF complained as Ferris and Jericho unanimously blocked his Hail Mary for the attack roll. "If wolf's bane is poisonous to werewolves, then extract of tiger lilies should totally be poisonous to were-tigers! My ranger went through all the trouble of looking for the flowers, and-! C'monnn, his damage rate sucks, so this type of role-play is the only way I'll be useful in battle guys."
"Baywatch, I don't know where you got the idea that wolf's bane is poisonous to werewolves," Artemis interjected with some fondness, "but that's what you get for playing a ranger."
"Yeah, and whose fault is that?" he pouted, giving me a stink-eye.
"Hey Wall-man, I agreed to play a meat-headed barbarian like you said, so you played the ranger like I suggested," I pointed out. "Besides, it's not like I'm doing all that much in the fight either. Artemis, you never heard that old rhyme?"
"Which one? 'Solomon Grundy, born on a Monday'?" she suggested drily. "Or maybe, 'Beware the Court of Owls, that watches all the time'? Personally, I prefer, 'Lurks in the shadows, hides in the park. Simon. Simon. Simon Dark,' to all of those. Feels a little safer." She pinched her fingers.
"Not one of the Gotham rhymes, this is old like Dracula," KF dismissed. Ferris gave a permissive hand gesture, so he stood, and said:
"Even a man who is pure of heart, and says his prayers by night
"May howl like a wolf when the wolf's bane blooms, if the moon is full and bright."
Most of us applauded politely at the recitation.
"Good voice, Baywatch," Artemis complimented, "but none of that has to do with wolf's bane being poisonous."
"It's a part of the bigger mythos! Zatanna, mistress of magic, help me out here," he pleaded.
She pouted cutely, and I caught myself watching her lips again, wondering if I could kiss her.
'Or if I should kiss her, after Babs kissed me,' I remembered again, my stomach both fluttering and churning.
"I think it's poisonous, if we're talking about the right type of real-life werewolves," Zee explained to us, "but D&D isn't real life, and either way, wolf's bane got its name because it was poisonous, not the reverse. Tiger lilies were named because they resembled tigers, not because they poisoned tigers. And besides, that's not an actual were-tiger either."
"It's not?" I glanced at Ferris and Jericho, went over what had happened in the game, and groaned. "We're fighting a moon druid, aren't we? That's just the Wild Shape of a tiger." They smiled and nodded.
"And a light-weaver friend," Ferris admitted. "Illusions. You all failed your investigation rolls." She shook her head dramatically.
"And our arcana rolls to recognize the signs," M'gann groaned. "Why did we want intelligence as a dump stat again?"
Conner, who was playing a wizard and probably role-playing to keep his lawful evil character's mouth shut, just grinned, the smug jerk.
"Crud," I commented idly. "And here I thought beating up were-animals would be cathartic before I'm on lockdown this weekend." Artemis gave me a confused look, and I realized, "You didn't hear? Yesterday?" She shook her head. "Kyle Abbot broke Poison Ivy out of custody."
Artemis scowled. "Speaking of werewolves… Hey, Gotham is my home too; you want me to stick around and help out with it all?"
"Wh-what? Uh, I mean… Weren't we gonna get dinner? I have that, uh, the surprise thing for you," Wally objected awkwardly.
"Batman's cleared you to fight in Gotham too," she countered. "Right? Come along. Beating this guy's face is more important."
'Oooh… Yet another bad sign for their dating life,' I commented internally. I'd been overhearing negative gossip between Babs and her at school, but she always seemed mostly fine with him in person, and now he'd been worrying I was lying about what I heard. 'Good grief….'
We kept playing until it was late, and split our separate ways.
I stayed behind to talk to Ferris, but Wally needed to talk to me, too, it seemed.
"I'm starting to see what you mean about Artemis," he admitted. "Any ideas? Could I go hang around Gotham? You mentioned you were going to some informal party tomorrow night…?"
"Chanukah party put on by B's cousin," I whispered, waiting for Ferris and Jericho to finish cleaning up the game. "Kate, the red-haired one? Sort of a drunken lush now, but she used to be in the army?" 'And secretly Batwoman in her spare time, though maybe not for much longer,' I thought, but kept quiet because blowing her ID to Wally was waaay beyond giving away Bruce's through mine-by-association. "You went to the one last year, but Babs is going to be there, and given her memory she'd recognize you easy. Then we'd have to explain that."
"Not feeling the whelm here, bro," he complained quietly.
"You're dating her; you'll figure something out," I snipped back, not feeling at all jealous at them always getting cozy together.
"Huh." He eyed me for a moment. "On top of Abbot breaking out Ivy, what's really eating you? You seem inappropriately whelmed."
'…He knows me too well.'
"You know me too well," I sighed. "Okay. So, there was a something that popped up on my alerts not long ago… There was a theft over in Europe, and-," I switched to a soft whisper. "-Jack Haly popped up as one of Interpol's suspects. Remember him? It feels like a bad omen. Not turbing."
"The circus? Hey, the old man's clean as they come, he'll come out of it okay," Wally assured me, and hearing it from someone else really helped more than I expected. "I've gotta go; Joey wanted my help with something about Christmas presents." I snorted at the nickname. He zoomed off.
"Robin?" Ferris asked gently, wheeling over. Apparently she finished fast. "Do you want talking with me?"
"…Yeah, I sort of... need some help. With a… a dating relationship thing," admitted quietly. "Advice?"
"Mm. I give to you advice?" She sounded a bit surprised. I nodded. "Robin, I gave advice to the Black Canary and she broke up."
I hissed nervously through my teeth. "Yeah, well, your advice is either probably good, or really, obviously bad," I told her, trying to not be insulting, "so I figure as long as I don't do anything I know is a bad idea, it can't hurt much."
"Mmm…" She nodded slowly as she thought about that. "Okay. Please make me tea?"
I groaned a little, because Alfred would know if I skimped on proper tea-making protocols, but I went ahead with it.
Once Renka finally tasted her chamomile – served with a splash of milk and a sprinkle of cinnamon, for whatever reason – she motioned me to start talking. I nervously tried to delay with my own drink, but she didn't care, so I gave up pretty fast.
"Did you know Zee kissed me?" I opened with. "Um, back on Wednesday? You were heading to Qurac by then…."
"I did not know. I heard something, I think, but I did not know. Mm, this is not 'congratulations,' I think. You seem unhappy, yes?"
'Unhappy' wasn't quite the impression I wanted to give. I'd certainly liked it. "Well, I mean, I liked it. Uhh… do you know why she kissed me?"
"Because she likes you?" Renka suggested, looking like she was trying not to let me know she thought I was stupid.
I flushed. "W-well, yeah, duh, and that's great. But… so, she's not the only girl who likes me." I could guess what the next words coming out of Renka's mouth would be, so I hurried up and added, "Not on the Team; she's a girl I know in my secret identity. We've known each other about as long as I've been Robin, and we were at a party on Monday and she kissed me. She says she likes me too. What do I do?"
I sort of hated how pathetic my voice sounded – and really, what kind of guy complained about getting kissed by a bunch of girls, and 'oh my life was horrible,' and that – but these were my friends. I liked them both; I just hadn't thought about them that way for very long.
And now….
"Mm. Are you dating?" I started a bit at her first question.
"Uhh… No, no, not dating. Zee just wished me a happy birthday, and…" 'Wait, I call Batman "B" so calling Babs that would be confusing.' "I'm gonna call the girl I know in my secret identity G, okay?" I explained. Ferris nodded. "Zee just wished me… I just realized, but can you not tell Batman I let slip that it was my birthday, please?"
"I will not tell," she agreed.
"Thanks. Zee wished me happy birthday, and then later on at my birthday party we were playing Seven Minutes in Heaven, which is a sort of- uh, it's a party game," I said lamely, "and me and G spent seven minutes in a closet, and we weren't going to do anything, but then she kissed me on the lips and when I asked why she just said, 'why do you think?' Aaand we didn't really talk about it but things are all awkward and can you help me with what to do?" I pretty much begged.
Ferris nodded, closed her eyes, and took another long, slow sip of her tea.
'I must sound like such a dweeb. I mean, Ferris handles stuff that's life or death, and I'm bothering her with teen relationships?'
"First, thank you for asking my to help you," she began as I almost stood to leave. My butt dropped back into the seat. Her eyes – I thought they looked more amber, but she'd repeatedly called them 'tawny gold,' so whatever – opened and fixed me with a warm, even look. "I am glad I am able to help to… help you. Next," she continued, "I have three questions." She crooked one finger. "Why do not ask the Batman?"
"Batman?" I laughed in relief. "Because it's embarrassing, and he's generally bad enough with relationships – 'no dating, only duty'," I boomed, successfully drawing a smile from her, "but on top of that, bugging him about relationships when Catwoman rolled into town just last week is even worse an idea than usual. Wally's sort of a goof, I'm not quite willing to ask Artemis," I hedged to cover up her connection to my secret ID, "Conner and M'gann don't quite know enough about normal teens, neither does Kaldur, and I can't ask Zee," I finished.
"Mm. You can ask Zee, I think, but I will explain later," she said quickly, before I could object. "Question two: does Zatanna say she wants to date you?" I reflected a bit bitterly how much I would give to know for sure, and if she'd still want to trust me when I couldn't-
"We flirt, I think she's super-pretty, we get along great, I really like her, and she kissed me," I repeated. "I think that says everything." I grimaced. "Except it doesn't, because I still can't tell her my secret identity, and everyone knows lying in relationships is only-,"
"Mm." I cut off when she crooked her third finger at me. "Third, has your friend G said she wants to date you?"
"Again, we're friends, I think she's cute, we get along great except I can't tell her about Robin, and she kissed me."
"But after the kissing, neither of them has said they want to date?" she repeated.
"…No," I finally admitted, "the word 'date' has not been said. Does… it have to be? Said, like that?"
"I think, yes," Ferris told me. "Mm. Okay. Advice." I perked up a little, though I scanned the room again quickly just to be safe. "First, tell Zatanna about a girl you know in your secret identity also kissed you, and you are confused. Ask if she-Zatanna was asking to date you, even though she-Zatanna does not know Robin's secret identity. Talk to her, and also talk after to G. Tell her, 'her' is G now, about another girl also kissed you, and you are confused. Tell them both that you like them, and you think they are pretty, but you do not only like them, and you do not want to hurt either friend. You do not want to, mm, do not want 'two-time,' yes? At very bad, try to be only friend with both of them. But talk. Be honest. When you cannot, say you cannot."
"You mean, like if Zee asks about my secret identity or if Ba- uh, if G asks about how I know Zatanna, say that I'm not allowed to say, even though I want to? Your whole, 'I do not want to discuss it' thing?"
"Yes," she agreed with a pleased nod.
"I'm… not sure that'll go over well with either of them," I said slowly, dread churning in my stomach.
"You are friends. You have been friends without dating," she reasoned. "You can still be friends without dating." She yawned.
'I think that was an intentional dismissal.'
"I'll… just get going and try it," I promised, before quickly leaving.
Hestia&theCourt
Turns out we're plural too.
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- In transition
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- She/Her
It's always interesting seeing Renka from Robin's perspective; he picks up so much more of her body language, and the implications thereof, than nearly anybody else except maybe Wally. As someone who has trouble reading faces, body language, and people in general, it's a nice change of pace from what I normally experience.
As for her actual advice... logically speaking, there's not much wrong with it. It makes sense to get the parameters on the table with all interested parties before any commitments are made. From an emotional standpoint, though, I can see why Robin's leery about it. There's no telling how either of them will react to finding out they have a rival for his attention, and social finesse is... not exactly Robin's strong point. He's much better about causing paranoia than he is about preventing it.
As for her actual advice... logically speaking, there's not much wrong with it. It makes sense to get the parameters on the table with all interested parties before any commitments are made. From an emotional standpoint, though, I can see why Robin's leery about it. There's no telling how either of them will react to finding out they have a rival for his attention, and social finesse is... not exactly Robin's strong point. He's much better about causing paranoia than he is about preventing it.
Stripes
Genre-Savvy Anti-Nihilist
- Location
- Nizhniy Novgorod
Ha. "Intelligence as an dump stat"... As an person who never plays with INT below fourteen, that really sent me laughing!
On more serious note, superb work with Robin - I can nearly hear his panicking babble while reading this.
P.S. Robin for Harem Protagonist. Should teach him for asking an advice on love from Apostle of Entropy
P.P.S. Said Apostle still better than Desire
On more serious note, superb work with Robin - I can nearly hear his panicking babble while reading this.
P.S. Robin for Harem Protagonist. Should teach him for asking an advice on love from Apostle of Entropy
P.P.S. Said Apostle still better than Desire
I can see Renka's logic here. The best relationships are built on brutal honesty, but it is rare for any relationship to start that way. The investment that comes from an existing relationship makes it easier to push through the hurt of criticism and/or disagreements with your SO. Renka is pushing Robin in that direction in the hope that everyone is emotionally mature enough to handle the stress. If not, everything blows up in Robin's face and Renka gets to revel in the misery of three heartbroken teenagers.
... I wonder how long it will be before everyone catches onto the fact that Renka intentionally pushes people into make or break dichotomies?
... I wonder how long it will be before everyone catches onto the fact that Renka intentionally pushes people into make or break dichotomies?
Maybe I need to reread the more recent sections, but I don't recall anything about Wally and Artemis's relationship having problems. Is this the first time it's been mentioned?
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There was a chapter from Artemis' point of view (Snapshots and Afterimages - part 2) where she and Barbara plan to troll Wally and Dick because Artemis figured out Dick is Robin, but he doesn't know she knows. She's presumably been hinting about things not going well on her dates whenever she's at school just to mess with him as revenge for the "we'll laugh about this" line he gave on her first day.