How stacked is Prussia's military right now after their rolls? I'm a little weary when we start to invade Prussia—not that I'm worried we would lose, our army and generals are still the best in Europe— but that it might be a slog even with Operation War Eagle. In a third coalition scenario, Russia will probably invade Austria and some corps will need to be sent to deal with that while the bulk of the French army pours into Prussia. We need to blitzkrieg Prussia in order to help our Austria withstand the Russian tide. If we win the third coalition handily it would probably cement the Franco-Austrian alliance. I also assume Therese will be on the front lines when the third coalition happens. Also, how many corps will we need to garrison France while the main Army fights in central Europe?
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La Chanson de la Victoire (The Song of Victory): La Petite Arpenteuse (Non, SV, you are a General of France in the Napoleonic War!)
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They'll be stronger, but I believe they still have some more time before their reforms finish. I would be more concerned if the Russians were actively reforming their military. Historically, Russia has always had supply issues, able to fight one major battle before their vastly overstretched supply lines would need to catch up to them. Often, they could not rely on naval resupply in the Baltic, so everything had to come by road on their poorly maintained road networks that would be swallowed twice annually (Spring and Autumn) into seas of mud. They tried to get around this in the Seven Years' War by resupplying from Austrian stores, but the Austrians were barely able to supply their own armies, and there was little left for the Russians.
So getting back to supporting Austria in the case of Russian intervention during War Plan Eagle, I could see deploying Mortier's Marauders (XI Corps) to harass their supply lines, with other corps (likely Serurier's X Corps) to backstop the Austrians in a pitched battle. Even an inconclusive fight or narrow defeat would serve as a strategic option to deplete the Russian ammunition supply, then harry them with light cavalry. The Russians might have Cossacks, but Austria has a lot of renowned cavalry in their empire. Hungarian and Polish Hussars and Uhlans, for example. In addition to the forward-deployed French Corps, there are also the troops that King Luke, Napoleon's brother Lucian, can raise to reinforce the Army of the North. As for garrisoning France itself, there are still hundreds of thousands of soldiers, including tens of thousands of veterans, that were demobilized after the War of the Second Coalition. That pool of manpower exists in our reserves and the National Guard, which might not be organized in the Corps system, but serves as local militias. They might not be elite troops, but they do have training, and there are still many blooded veterans that can be called up in a crisis. The reason we don't have more organized corps is because I ran out of motivation and didn't want to spend hours looking up the thousands of generals of France during the Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars when I was making the initial army organization plan. I believe it is safe to assume that officers in semi-retirement or not explicitly named in the reorganization plan have been assisting the reserves or the National Guard.
if this was the case would we be able to win a war against a fully committed Russia? I think the only way to win a war against russia is to defeat their armies in detail and then white peace them. If russia had the same problem as Napoleon during his russian campaign OTL of upkeeping large armies in enemy territory, could we outlast them in a war?
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If i make character sheets for generals that have not been added yet could we organize more corps? Don't know if i have time nor the experience in making character sheets but i can try and see if it is sufficient.
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As of this moment, you would be in a slugging match that no one, not even the British, wants to be a part of. And Frankly, Russia would win, but barely. It would depend entierly on what happens in Germany, and if Russia either steamrolls the HRE and Austria, or they managed to cow them.
Russia has been rolling godly these last few years, and has access to the Mediterranean by way of owning Instanbul and parts of Anatolia. Basically, Alexander is trying to solve three issues before he broadly .
1. Lack of a powerful navy to counter the British, and assert dominance over its neighbors in a way that would defend the Russian Heartland
2. Trying to secure its own borders from Austrian and French allied opposition.
3. Secure itself in arms.
Those three things are preventing Alexander and Russia from trying to be the third head in this Franco-British conflict.
And things going very pear-shaped.
That's literally an option to not only get rewards and roll bonuses, but add them into the story.
Go for it.
Use any sheet that has been posted for guidence.
How strong is Austria's army as of right now? How much can they muster up after the civil war in the Balkans gets cleared up? Was thinking that France + Austria could withstand a Russian offensive if Prussia is suitably cowed/annexed. I guess a hypothetical slug match between the Franco-Austrian alliance and Coalition (Britain, Prussia, Russia) would depend on how good our power bloc rolls during peace and wartime. But then, again maybe it's best to prevent war altogether by making war with us so costly for Russia (and British because they bankroll everyone) that they just don't fight. Winning against Prussia handily could make Alexander wary of war with us, though he's still ambitious and hot-blooded as he wasn't humbled from an Austerlitz... yet.
Somes line from Wikepedia about the state of the Imperial Russian navy as of 1787: The Black Sea Fleet possessed 35 line-of-battle ships and 19 frigates (1787), and the Baltic Fleet had 23 ships of the line and 130 frigates (1788). In the early 19th century, the Russian Navy consisted of the Baltic and Black Sea Fleets, Caspian Flotilla, White Sea Flotilla and Okhotsk Flotilla.
During the Napoleonic Wars, the Russian Navy had limited sea-going capability, with the 1802 Committee to Improve the Condition of the Navy concluding that the dire state of the ships of the Baltic Fleet, suffering as they did from extensive rot and a lack of copper plating, was incapable of defending Kronstadt and St Petersburg.
In essence, I guess Russia will only ever get a large, quality fleet if they start to roll godly. Then, again Tsar Nicholas I did expand the Russian navy in 1825.
I mean, Alexander could just ally with us but then again, Austria might not be so happy what with the Russians funding partisans. Then again, he would only ally with us if British naval superiority gets significantly weaker; or ours get significantly stronger, which would only happen if we allied with new Spain (probably not happening what with Old World Spain being our ally) or America.
Is Russia rolling for army reforms? I would rather not face a well-trained Imperial Russian Army that received reforms ala the Prussians. We flat-out just lose in a prolonged war I think. unless we can get the upper hand strategically (extremely hard) or tactically (very possible).
Will do. Just want to show support of this wonderful quest in a more meaningful/explicit way.
also, is there a map of the world as of 1799? If not I might try to make one
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I would love to see that, as I tried to make maps but have failed every time.
Austria is on full "We Are trying to keep things together Mode." So they are most certainly the junior partner in this Franco-Austrian Allience.
However, they might be able to spare an army, if we can supply them.
YEs, but that does not mean they may not try to match us here.
Remember, at the moment, they are more aligned to Britain, then us.
No. Thankfully for you, Alexander's eyes are focused on securing his gains, seeing as they did not face Napoleon and they do not feel the need to reform yet.
A mistake that may cost them.
Who owns the Caucasus right now?
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Define own?
are they currently in the ottoman or russian sphere of influence
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How do I upload images? I have a preliminary map of Europe that I made. Do I just post it in the discord?
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You can do that but there is an insert image button on the top of the tool bar on the site
I can't for the life of me figure put how to put my screenshot into SV so I just posted it in La Notre Dame in the discord
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how do i convert a screenshot of a map i made into url format. Images for SV can only be inserted this way i assume
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how do i convert a screenshot of a map i made into url format. Images for SV can only be inserted this way i assume
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I don't actually know
View: https://imgur.com/a/jQ51Xua
Oh it worked.
Spent a few hours trying to color the map and research the borders. How accurate is it to the in-game geopolitical scape of Europe?
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My only complaint/recommendation on this is that the Russians only have pats of the Anatolian coast line and Thrace.
The ottomans still have their… "heartland" so to speak.
I will just edit it out then and post another image.
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+40 for giving such an incredible map.
Map of Europe Circa 1799
View: https://imgur.com/4ju70bl
Better?
If so, I'm going to start on the map of the Americas... and then if college allows maybe I'll just sit down for 20 hours looking up generals and doing character sheets in my free time.
I guess the Ottomans didn't get completely fucked by the Russians. My read of the situation was that they lost all of Anatolia and the Caucasus, while also getting invaded in Egypt and breaking down into civil wars.
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France is so big!
I'm including all the kingdoms and republics we annexed such as the Netherlands, Belgium, Italy, Naples, and parts of Sardinia. We are an "empire" so to speak. Don't worry, Europe will be blue and purple in a few more years.
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Map of America Circa 1799
Feel free to find more inaccuracies so that I can edit them out. I think I got the borders generally right but around Austria and Germany it gets a little whacky since the map didn't let me color freely; it just let me color individual counties/states.
View: https://imgur.com/BUdEgV9
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How is this map of the Americas? The quest in the Americas hasn't been focusing on the South American continent but more Central America and North America.
Fixed Louisana territory to better show native presence; or a lack of U.S. presence for that matter.
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Um... Holy Shit that's awesome. Although Louisiana right now is kinda in limbo where no one really owns it except the natives
So that is all I will say.
+40 again for the wonderful maps.
Thank you!
Also i read somewhere in the one of the rumor mills that america bought louisiana so they technically own it but it remains largely unsettled except for the natives. It's late so i will quote where I saw it tomorrow.
You should also probably threadmark these maps for people who want to see the current state of Europe and the Americas — at least from 1799 onwards since I plan to keep updating the maps as the quest progresses.
So OC or historical character sheets for officers need be made to create more organized corps for France? If so, what officers are in a corp? I onlyt know that corps need a general to lead them and then a division generals/commanders to lead other parts of the corp under that corp general. Do character sheets need to be made for the officers further down the rank too or just corp commanders and division generals?
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