La Chanson de la Victoire (The Song of Victory): La Petite Arpenteuse (Non, SV, you are a General of France in the Napoleonic War!)

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I'm still leery on the idea of giving Robespierre a trial... QM may have confirmed that he won't escape punishment this time, but we need to at least jail him if we do not want to deal with him again (and the trial option has the chance of him being punished only with exile, which doesn't solve anything). I really want to be done with Robespierre now that we've finally caught him again, as we enough enemies and internal problems to deal with without accounting for the former consul. He has caused us more than enough trouble and it is high time he left the play.
 
ThatGuyWithIdeas said:
I'm still leery on the idea of giving Robespierre a trial... QM may have confirmed that he won't escape punishment this time, but we need to at least jail him if we do not want to deal with him again (and the trial option has the chance of him being punished only with exile, which doesn't solve anything). I really want to be done with Robespierre now that we've finally caught him again, as we enough enemies and internal problems to deal with without accounting for the former consul. He has caused us more than enough trouble and it is high time he left the play.
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Okay but what about him becoming a martyr? The last thing we need is more enemies in France. Unless there is a way to counter it or something then we need to think this through.
 
Blazblade said:
Okay but what about him becoming a martyr? The last thing we need is more enemies in France. Unless there is a way to counter it or something then we need to think this through.
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Robes is a man who is now defined by his fight against monarchism and despotism. He has captured the imagination of the liberal republican movements across Europe, even more so then Brian, Therese and Napoleon have in a way, at least outside of France.

He is for all intents and purposes the greatest revolutionary alive, even more then the American Founding Fathers.

He embodies the revolution and if you are not careful, in his death, it can come back to haunt you.
 
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Magoose said:
Robes is a man who is now defined by his fight against monarchism and despotism. He has captured the imagination of the liberal republican movements across Europe, even more so then Brian, Therese and Napoleon have in a way, at least outside of France.

He is for all intents and purposes the greatest revolutionary alive, even more then the American Founding Fathers.

He embodies the revolution and if you are not careful, in his death, it can come back to haunt you.
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Exactly my point!

If we act too hasty, it could bite us in the ass later.

That's my worry about everyone being so Gung ho about killing him.
 
Blazblade said:
Exactly my point!

If we act too hasty, it could bite us in the ass later.

That's my worry about everyone being so Gung ho about killing him.
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The last time we didn't kill him he started a civil war, allied with France's enemies, fomented counter-revolutionary terrorism and almost blew up our children. This has, understandably, skewed people's opinions somewhat.

Personally, I'm of the belief nobody inspired by his death is going to be even half as capable as Robs himself, so I'm willing to skip the chance that he gets away again. If we'd been given the option, I'd have voted for Ney to shoot him dead in that tavern.
 
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Max Uristwell said:
The last time we didn't kill him he started a civil war, allied with France's enemies, fomented counter-revolutionary terrorism and almost blew up our children. This has, understandably, skewed people's opinions somewhat.
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Understanble it's just there Will be some people who think that can and still be the true jacobian revolutionary
Max Uristwell said:
Personally, I'm of the belief nobody inspired by his death is going to be even half as capable as Robs himself, so I'm willing to skip the chance that he gets away again. If we'd been given the option, I'd have voted for Ney to shoot him dead in that tavern
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If he gets away he'll only die tired.
Blazblade said:
Hey does anyone know if Charlotte is back in France or is she still in Britain?
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Still in Britian
 
We could simply restrict the charges against Robespierre to conspiracy to murder children. Not even him could spin that in a positive way, even more since we can contrast that to how we protected the royal heirs and turned them into loyal revolutionaries.
And I would suggest we that starting with him we replace the guillotine with a firing squad or noose, in effect executing the symbol of the terror aling with his master.
 
I know it's better for us if he's no longer an issue but I can't help but have some part of me hope good old Robey squirrels his way out of this one as well
 
Alexander Sturnn said:
"To keep Robespierre alive and in prison would mean to invite War and destruction to this country. And to exile him would be more dangerous still.

Robespierre must die, so that the Nation may live."
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You know reading back at that moment really makes one think about the situation one finds themselves in and wonder where it all went wrong.

Well for Robe: it was pissing off the wrong pair of siblings who made fast friends in the army and for taking his rightful paranoia to far.
Cyberphilosipher said:
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God is laughing in Heavan at words being thrown back at Robe.
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Irony is the gift that keeps on giving.
Nemonowan said:
We could simply restrict the charges against Robespierre to conspiracy to murder children. Not even him could spin that in a positive way, even more since we can contrast that to how we protected the royal heirs and turned them into loyal revolutionaries.
And I would suggest we that starting with him we replace the guillotine with a firing squad or noose, in effect executing the symbol of the terror aling with his master.
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Although I shall say that the guillotine is possibly the most humane way of executing someone humankind has ever presented with…

Even though it also possibly it's most dehumanizing as well. Gravity is all that works for this machine.
Ultrackius said:
I know it's better for us if he's no longer an issue but I can't help but have some part of me hope good old Robey squirrels his way out of this one as well
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If he somehow does that, I would change the name of the quest to RO Ros bizzarre adventures.
 
Alexander Sturnn said:
Nah, I would write a Negaverse-Quest with that Name.
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But what if he's dead?

That will be a real shocker.
Alexander Sturnn said:
For the love of god, don't jinx it! And also, if we do just kill him, I hope we gag him so he doesn't even get the chance to talk! France doesn't need him spitting any more of his poison!
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To late, now I will the dice now. And if it turns out the Reverse is true, by god man I will be so mad.
 
Magoose said:
[]Exile: There will be no trial, as Robespierre is guilty. Let him go to America, and be forgotten to history. Cost 1 Wealth DC: 50 Reward: Robespierre is sent off to America, to be forgotten.
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On exile, I think the flavor text is a narrative guarantee on him becoming a non-factor? If it is,

Sivantic said:
Yes, I am for beheading him, no more risking it. Otherwise focus on the eternal consequences of war: shattered homes and shattered minds. Time to give back and help rebuild lives. Though I did pick vaccine over prosthetics, we only have so much time and Pox affects everyone.
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GM said that the risk is a consecutive nat 1 then nat 100 anyways

Magoose said:
The thing I will say is this: if Robe is given a trial, the only way he walks free is if you roll a nat 1 with no bonuses. Anything less then they will either confine him, exile him or kill him.
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That is without bonuses, so I think the decision is not whether he dies or not at this point, it's how he gets offed and then how we deal with the aftermath.

From GM replies it's also implied that the martyr consequence has pretty good chances
Magoose said:
Robes is a man who is now defined by his fight against monarchism and despotism. He has captured the imagination of the liberal republican movements across Europe, even more so then Brian, Therese and Napoleon have in a way, at least outside of France.

He is for all intents and purposes the greatest revolutionary alive, even more then the American Founding Fathers.

He embodies the revolution and if you are not careful, in his death, it can come back to haunt you.
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Adhoc vote count started by Magoose on Oct 11, 2021 at 10:18 PM, finished with 68 posts and 9 votes.
  • [X] Plan Demobilization Efforts.
    -[X] Spirit 1: Yes
    -[X] Spirit 2: Yes
    -[X] Spirit 3: Yes
    -[X] Influence Napoleon: Offering Leniency: The Children of the Revolution are not criminals… at least not all of them are. They are just people who are scared. Your husband needs to make sure they will not be punished, else their actions may get worse. Cost 50 Influence. DC: ??? Reward: The Children of the Revolution may disband entirely, or become a political entity that can be monitored or controlled.
    -[X] Vaccines for a Pox: There is a news report from England, about a man who claims to have a cure for Smallpox. You remember a great tragedy of town wiped out from smallpox. You want to see it… and if you can, get Vaccinated yourself from this disease, and see your children protected from it as well. Cost 3 Wealth. DC: ??? Reward: You discover the man who may save millions of lives if it is true.
    -[X] A Shipping Out: Brian is going to Haiti, a request by him to see the fledgling colony and to then go to Washington to serve as Minister to America. Napoleon did so with a heavy heart, and a wish to not lose his beloved Chief of Staff. But Brian said that, now that there is peace, he would rather go to America, and serve Napoleon there. Cost 1 Wealth DC: ??? Reward: Brian sails west, towards America and his own Destiny.
    -[X] Demobilize (Maintain control): The Army's demobilization seems to require a much harsher hand than you thought… you hate doing this, but things must be done to maintain order. DC: 40 Reward: The demobilizations are far more controlled, and the criminality
    -[X] Death: You will let him meet Madam Guiltine… and then cut his head off. Cost 0 Wealth DC: 10 Reward: He dies a traitor's death. But will it make him a Mayter?
    -[X] The Soldiers and Sailors!: The Men of Les Invalides, who have fought for France are struggling to gain more… gainful employment when discharged. And they have asked you to fight for them in the Senate. DC: ??? Cost 3 wealth. Reward: Les Invalides sees an uptick of funding! And the soldiers may find work.
    -[X] The War Orphans and Widows Associations: There is a crippling lack of support for those families who have lost their fathers, sons, and husbands and daughters in the war. The state may not have a great interest in seeing that… but you do. DC: ??? Cost 5 wealth. Reward: You start a humanitarian association to help the French's Most Vulnerable after this War.
    [X] Plan Demobilization Investment
    -[X] Spirit 1: Yes
    -[X] Spirit 2: Yes
    -[X] Spirit 3: Yes
    -[X] Homefront Investment: With a lull in the war, now is a good time as any to invest in the fabrics industry! Or rum? Grains? All are available to invest in, and you're sure that it would earn you the appreciation of locals. DC: ??? Cost 5 (personal) wealth. (Linetail the investment you wish to make below this option)
    —[X] Wine(including Vineyard, breweries, and everything)
    -[X] Vaccines for a Pox: There is a news report from England, about a man who claims to have a cure for Smallpox. You remember a great tragedy of town wiped out from smallpox. You want to see it… and if you can, get Vaccinated yourself from this disease, and see your children protected from it as well. Cost 3 Wealth. DC: ??? Reward: You discover the man who may save millions of lives if it is true.
    -[X] A Shipping Out: Brian is going to Haiti, a request by him to see the fledgling colony and to then go to Washington to serve as Minister to America. Napoleon did so with a heavy heart, and a wish to not lose his beloved Chief of Staff. But Brian said that, now that there is peace, he would rather go to America, and serve Napoleon there. Cost 1 Wealth DC: ??? Reward: Brian sails west, towards America and his own Destiny.
    -[X] Demobilize (Maintain control): The Army's demobilization seems to require a much harsher hand than you thought… you hate doing this, but things must be done to maintain order. DC: 40 Reward: The demobilizations are far more controlled, and the criminality
    -[X] Death: You will let him meet Madam Guiltine… and then cut his head off. Cost 0 Wealth DC: 10 Reward: He dies a traitor's death. But will it make him a Mayter?
    -[X] The Soldiers and Sailors!: The Men of Les Invalides, who have fought for France are struggling to gain more… gainful employment when discharged. And they have asked you to fight for them in the Senate. DC: ??? Cost 3 wealth. Reward: Les Invalides sees an uptick of funding! And the soldiers may find work.
    -[X] The War Orphans and Widows Associations: There is a crippling lack of support for those families who have lost their fathers, sons, and husbands and daughters in the war. The state may not have a great interest in seeing that… but you do. DC: ??? Cost 5 wealth. Reward: You start a humanitarian association to help the French's Most Vulnerable after this War.
    [X] Plan Poor Kids
    -[X] Spirit 1: Yes
    -[X] Spirit 2: Yes
    -[X] Spirit 3: Yes
    -[X] Influence Napoleon: Offering Leniency: The Children of the Revolution are not criminals… at least not all of them are. They are just people who are scared. Your husband needs to make sure they will not be punished, else their actions may get worse. Cost 50 Influence. DC: ??? Reward: The Children of the Revolution may disband entirely, or become a political entity that can be monitored or controlled.
    -[X] Vaccines for a Pox: There is a news report from England, about a man who claims to have a cure for Smallpox. You remember a great tragedy of town wiped out from smallpox. You want to see it… and if you can, get Vaccinated yourself from this disease, and see your children protected from it as well. Cost 3 Wealth. DC: ??? Reward: You discover the man who may save millions of lives if it is true.
    -[X] A Shipping Out: Brian is going to Haiti, a request by him to see the fledgling colony and to then go to Washington to serve as Minister to America. Napoleon did so with a heavy heart, and a wish to not lose his beloved Chief of Staff. But Brian said that, now that there is peace, he would rather go to America, and serve Napoleon there. Cost 1 Wealth DC: ??? Reward: Brian sails west, towards America and his own Destiny.
    -[X] Demobilize (Maintain control): The Army's demobilization seems to require a much harsher hand than you thought… you hate doing this, but things must be done to maintain order. DC: 40 Reward: The demobilizations are far more controlled, and the criminality
    -[X]The Trial of the Century: Robespierre will once again get a trial, but with the evidence against him, he will most certainly die. Cost 3 Wealth DC: ??? Reward: Robespierre is once again brought to trial.
    -[X] The Soldiers and Sailors!: The Men of Les Invalides, who have fought for France are struggling to gain more… gainful employment when discharged. And they have asked you to fight for them in the Senate. DC: ??? Cost 3 wealth. Reward: Les Invalides sees an uptick of funding! And the soldiers may find work.
    -[X] The War Orphans and Widows Associations: There is a crippling lack of support for those families who have lost their fathers, sons, and husbands and daughters in the war. The state may not have a great interest in seeing that… but you do. DC: ??? Cost 5 wealth. Reward: You start a humanitarian association to help the French's Most Vulnerable after this War.
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Sad to see he's not getting a trial

Boy will he become a revolutionary symbol for future generations though, the terror is a non issue because he successfully blamed it on his allies, and the civil war can be portrayed as him standing up against the monarchist, dictatorial tyranny of Napoleon's military backed regime
 
Ultrackius said:
Boy will he become a revolutionary symbol for future generations though, the terror is a non issue because he successfully blamed it on his allies, and the civil war can be portrayed as him standing up against the monarchist, dictatorial tyranny of Napoleon's military backed regime
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Or we scapegoat him for the formation of the Second Coalition and frame him as an agent of foreign powers and he'll go down in history as a hypocritical traitor that did more damage to the cause of the Revolution than the supposed dictator Napoleon ever did (Marat's execution can be used to show that Robespierre himself was a tyrant, for he executed a man because his pride was hurt by his remarks).
This time, Robespierre will be finished and his legacy will die with him, tarnished and ruined.

EDIT: That said, no matter what option we end up going for regarding Robespierre (straight execution with no trial or a trial), we should throw a total of +50 worth of omake bonuses on whatever Robespierre action we take, to ensure it goes well.
 
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Is the martyr roll his roll or ours? Can we affect it with bonuses?

Sivantic said:
We want him dead.
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My argument's not even that we let him live, I believe that he's already fated to die either way, the judges are already biased. I'm concerned on the martyr possibility. If we take the trial option, he's like to get voted guilty and even if he does unlikely get exiled. The flavor text specifies that he gets forgotten by history so I'm fine with even that.

But yeah I agree want him dead too, it's just the martyr thing worries me, France is still internally fractured by political factions.
 
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