Let it be know that I apologize in advance for this joke. It is bad and I feel shame. :p (I'm lying through my teeth, your tears are all the company I need!)

Before the Cataclysm? She was the Principle of Harmony. The ever-resonating principle of all things working in perfect and joyous synchronicity by their own choice.

If none can remember her acting thus? It is because the potential for it ceased to have ever existed in the Three Spheres Cataclysm. Hierarchy is, after all, only the bitter, realpolitik substitute for harmonious accord which is used in a world where the former is neither easy nor sustainable.

If She whispers now, it is because she cannot bear the dissonance the missing spheres introduced into the song some vestigial part of her knows should be. If She always whispered it is because none can remember a song that could never have been.

The three spheres wouldn't have corresponded to Laughter, Generosity and Kindness, would they?
 
Right, well, before I run off to teach a preliminary vote, with stunts to be added later if required by @Thief of Words.

[ ]Plan Wake-up Call
-[ ][XP]Every Last Detail - 4xp
-[ ][Physical]Death Dealing Journey
-[ ][Mental]Joy In Violence Approach
-[ ][Mental]Tomescu Flesh Extravagance
-[ ][Mental]Perception

I know @veekie wants to leave a slot open, but I think the attack by Oni Lee really served as a wakeup call to Taylor. She was not prepared and she suffered for it. So time to put the nose to the grindstone and make sure that it never happens again. An alternative to TFE would be that Malfeas custom charm I churned out - it makes sense to me that Taylor would want to develop a counter to the vulnerability revealed by Oni Lee - but that's still waiting for approval by @Thief of Words.
Depends on how many days we tie up.

Also, remember we actually get MORE done with one open slot. Every Last Detail needs a mental thread to plan and substitute our sleep for.

EDIT: What about buying Bureaucracy again? It doesn't take a slot, only XP
EDIT2: Just to check, the XP vote was never announced to be open is it? It's just discussion right now?
 
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Also, remember we actually get MORE done with one open slot. Every Last Detail needs a mental thread to plan and substitute our sleep for.
We don't know that ELD works like that, and unless @Thief of Words confirms otherwise I'm going with the assumption that we actually need to spend that time planning. Not 8 hours planning while we do tons of different stuff, just 8 hours planning. So potentially it's a physical action (gotta write out those charts and assessments!).

And in any case we're going to be spending 8 hours doing physical training, so during those 8 hours we will be using our mental threads to train three other things seems like a good use of time.
 
I should point out that with Taylor's body image problems, I don't see her getting a lot of mutations unless they're internal. I mean, she thinks she's ugly already. Making her more inhuman will 'not' help.

Making the 'extra limb' that has been mentioned prehensile hair might be something she would accept, but the rest? Don't know.
 
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I should point out that with Taylor's body image problems, I don't see her getting a lot of mutations unless they're internal. I mean, she thinks she's ugly already. Making her more inhuman will 'not' help.
She's one dot away from being the most beautiful thing on the planet anyway.

Or can we at least keep it somewhat minimal. I've dealt with enough image issues in Ignition.
 
She's one dot away from being the most beautiful thing on the planet anyway.

Or can we at least keep it somewhat minimal. I've dealt with enough image issues in Ignition.
5 dots would make her 'one' of the most beautiful people on the planet, not the single most beautiful one. It's rare but not supernatural levels. Now, if she had 6 dots, then I'd buy that.

Still, however good looking she actually is, she looks inhuman, and has had years of being called ugly by Emma and the rest, so adding mutations will 'not' be something she's interested in, without them being internal, or temporary (like from BRR.)
 
5 dots would make her 'one' of the most beautiful people on the planet, not the single most beautiful one. It's rare but not supernatural levels. Now, if she had 6 dots, then I'd buy that.

Still, however good looking she actually is, she looks inhuman, and has had years of being called ugly by Emma and the rest, so adding mutations will 'not' be something she's interested in, without them being internal, or temporary (like from BRR.)
Not really. On a planet of... I forget the ratio. I think it might be something like 1 in a million might get a 5 dot attribute or something. So it really wouldn't be wrong to call her the most beautiful being on the planet. Simugh might qualify as well.
 
Not really. On a planet of... I forget the ratio. I think it might be something like 1 in a million might get a 5 dot attribute or something. So it really wouldn't be wrong to call her the most beautiful being on the planet. Simugh might qualify as well.
That's still 7000 people 'minimum' on the planet.

Okay, considering Endbringers and such it's probably less, but still, a whole lot of people.
 
That's still 7000 people 'minimum' on the planet.

Okay, considering Endbringers and such it's probably less, but still, a whole lot of people.

1 in a million leaves thousands on earth bet.
EDIT: Imp'd
That's the total number of people who have any attribute at 5. I'm not going to say that he's right to say she'd be literally the most beautiful person on the planet, but she'd still be in the top thousand even on our Earth, and Bet likely has significantly fewer people.
 
We don't know that ELD works like that, and unless @Thief of Words confirms otherwise I'm going with the assumption that we actually need to spend that time planning. Not 8 hours planning while we do tons of different stuff, just 8 hours planning.

Already raised that issue previously, but mobile sucks to search so...


@Thief of Words
How does Every Last Detail's sleep substitution work for the following use cases?
-Using a mental thread to plan while in an extended combat.
-Using a mental thread to plan while taking other actions.
-Using a mental thread to plan while taking non-strenous actions.
-Using a mental thread to plan, as training for a related attribute(Int) or ability(Bureaucracy, Lore, Occult, War, Socialize, Linguistics, etc)
-Using a mental thread to plan, as training for an appropriate charm.

If it requires experimentation or other IC discovery to figure this out, please say so. Hard to tell whether silence is intentional or oversight.
 
That's the total number of people who have any attribute at 5. I'm not going to say that he's right to say she'd be literally the most beautiful person on the planet, but she'd still be in the top thousand even on our Earth, and Bet likely has significantly fewer people.
This.

And Appearance is the least likely to ever reach five for a mortal due to the fact that it is the one attribute that cannot be trained by them at all. Appearance is purely something you have, or you don't have, unlike the others.

So just for that one stat, it might actually be closer, or at least not wrong to guess at, it being 1 in a billion. And then you have to take into account environmental effects. How many of those... let's go with high double-digits for the sake of argument, make it through early life while getting the food they need and without getting scarred or... well, you get the idea.

So Appearance 5 is... rare. Let's go with that.
 
This.

And Appearance is the least likely to ever reach five for a mortal due to the fact that it is the one attribute that cannot be trained by them at all. Appearance is purely something you have, or you don't have, unlike the others.

So just for that one stat, it might actually be closer, or at least not wrong to guess at, it being 1 in a billion. And then you have to take into account environmental effects. How many of those... let's go with high double-digits for the sake of argument, make it through early life while getting the food they need and without getting scarred or... well, you get the idea.

So Appearance 5 is... rare. Let's go with that.
Isn't it also the stat that is the easiest to raise with such things as make-up and clothing?
 
Isn't it also the stat that is the easiest to raise with such things as make-up and clothing?
Yes, but that would be... kind of like equipment, if not actually equipment. Taylor could apply the same to herself as well, so that point's kind of moot.

Also, its still fairly hard to raise even with that. Might get a dot out of a high-price make-over and overpriced if very good looking dress. Maybe two dots with both.
 
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Okay...since apparently I need to chime in:


Mutation-wise, she'd be more apt to head towards BRR than CFE. Not permanent, pings off her body image issues (which are entirely still a thing since she's been repeatedly called a monster or inhuman thing since waking up from the chrysalis) less that way.

Also, you're still going mostly-full munchkin on a lot of stuff, guys. Consider for a moment: Uncertainty is offering the simplest MA charm he knows.

Hint: it's a test.

If she can't start with and succeed at the simple principles of a lesser art, she's not ready for the virtue style he's willing to teach her from at this level of Sifu. If she never takes that charm, never accedes to his authority as her Sifu? Then not only is she not a worthy student, but to his mind she's angling for trouble based on her current heavily Pyrian load out. SWLIHN is both proud and humble.
 
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Already raised that issue previously, but mobile sucks to search so...


@Thief of Words
How does Every Last Detail's sleep substitution work for the following use cases?
-Using a mental thread to plan while in an extended combat.
-Using a mental thread to plan while taking other actions.
-Using a mental thread to plan while taking non-strenous actions.
-Using a mental thread to plan, as training for a related attribute(Int) or ability(Bureaucracy, Lore, Occult, War, Socialize, Linguistics, etc)
-Using a mental thread to plan, as training for an appropriate charm.

If it requires experimentation or other IC discovery to figure this out, please say so. Hard to tell whether silence is intentional or oversight.
Silence is intentional here. All optimization attempts should be carried out in character, rather than out of it.

Short version? Taylor doesn't know. So neither do you

Instead I'll be spending our XP based upon the decisions made in other votes as well as offering some more generalized training options going forward. Probably. Going to review all the comments when I get a chance at the library tomorrow. Going to sleep on it.
 
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SWIHN's could be tested by playing chess (all variable known, order, efficiency). And you have quite objective rating for it.

But it depend on what understanding of Excellencies Taylor has. If JU gave us "this is your Patron' Mythos, all of it is way easier for you" we can just tell PRT and see reactions.
Well, also chess is Attribute + War. So...not necessarily the choice that most lets Taylor shine.

Could be worse. Could be testing by having her teach someone to play chess. All 1 die she gets for Charisma + War.

Sure, it doubles her effective aptitude...to merely bad.
 
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If she can't start with and succeed at the simple principles of a lesser art, she's not ready for the virtue style he's willing to teach her from at this level of Sifu. If she never takes that charm, never accedes to his authority as her Sifu? Then not only is she not a worthy student, but to his mind she's angling for trouble based on her current heavily Pyrian load out. SWLIHN is both proud and humble.
No real problem. We can just ignore that until Taylor actually needs MA charms or he changes his mind.
We are not bound to follow his opinions and there are many other things to spend XP on.
 
Okay...since apparently I need to chime in:


Mutation-wise, she'd be more apt to head towards BRR than CFE. Not permanent, pings off her body image issues (which are entirely still a thing since she's been repeatedly called a monster or inhuman thing since waking up from the chrysalis) less that way.

I thought so. There's a reason it wasn't on the charm development list after all.
Also, you're still going mostly-full munchkin on a lot of stuff, guys. Consider for a moment: Uncertainty is offering the simplest MA charm he knows.

Hint: it's a test.

If she can't start with and succeed at the simple principles of a lesser art, she's not ready for the virtue style he's willing to teach her from at this level of Sifu. If she never takes that charm, never accedes to his authority as her Sifu? Then not only is she not a worthy student, but to his mind she's angling for trouble based on her current heavily Pyrian load out. SWLIHN is both proud and humble.
Mmm, probably need to make it more explicit. Voter attention span shifting means that you're going to see it being forgotten whenever a crisis happened.

You may recall that the MA charm was on the training list right until the following things happened:
-Lawsuit pushed things slightly towards social charms. But not strongly. MA still on track.
-Danny discussion. MA still on track.
-Fought Oni Lee. MA no longer on track. Combat charms dominates discussion, paranoia combo returns.
-Aftermath of defeat. MA forgotten entirely. Paranoia combo now reaching "Lets train the whole combo at once" levels.


Silence is intentional here. All optimization attempts should be carried out in character, rather than out of it.

Short version? Taylor doesn't know. So neither do you
Excellent.

Can I request that intentional silence be explicitly mentioned in the future?
Because you're currently only fostering increasingly wild optimization plots.
They breed and mutate in silence.
Instead I'll be spending our XP based upon the decisions made in other votes as well as offering some more generalized training options going forward. Probably.
I'll back this up at present. We have jarring different perspectives on spending priorities.

How about this for training and XP spending allocation while retaining some level player choice?
1) Post current IC priorities/objectives. Post list of 'approved' charms.

2) Open the floor to discussion on how best to spend the XP to narrow down the spending focuses. Potential room for argument to add or remove certain items for consideration.

3) Close the discussion over a day or two, and then organize expenditure into several general thrusts.

So you get something like the following training/spending suites. Every Last Detail is locked in by previous vote and general consensus.

[] A Plan For Everything
-Based on the IC belief that Taylor had not nearly prepared enough to go crime fighting. Seeks to preempt any such recurrance
-Consists of Bureaucracy, Lore, Trains Perception, War, SWLIHN Mythos Exultant or Just as Planned. Possible(if unlikely, since she doesn't think she took any unnecessary risks) increase in Temperance.

[] Strength of a Great Typhoon
-Based on the IC belief that Taylor needs to fight more good. Seeks to get good, by taking the offensive to crime.
-Consists of Martial Arts. Trains Perception, War, Death Dealing Journey, Distance Eliminating Translocation or Five Dragon Claw. Possible(if unlikely, due to general lack of interest by voters) increase in Valor or Compassion.

[] Steadfast as a Mountain
-Based on the IC belief that she's too fragile, please don't hurt me no more. Seeks to get good by taking the defensive. Being impossible to injure is a good start.
-Consists of Martial Arts. Trains Perception, War, Scar Writ Saga Shield, Five Dragon(whatever the E1 defense charm was)

[] Objection!
-Based on the IC belief that the PRT will cover immediate issues, that she should focus on the lawsuit. Seeks to make sure the lawsuit works, and on the longer term, to see that the gangs are brought to justice.
-Consists of Bureaucracy, Lore. Trains Incorrect Value Rejection. Possible(if unlikely, due to Taylor's justified squeamishness) purchase of Cerebral Probe Inquisition or Binary Instruction Implementation.

[] Capitalism ho!
-Based on the IC idea of improving the PRT's resources so they can fix everything.
-Consists of Bureaucracy, Lore, Craft. Trains Aperion Isolation Alchemy for the purpose of giving Armsmaster unlimited resources.
-Is not actually a serious option, since she neither knows of the local PRT resource limitations, nor is she actually bought into it yet.

Well, also chess is Attribute + War. So...not necessarily the choice that most lets Taylor shine.

Could be worse. Could be testing by having her teach someone to play chess. All 1 die she gets for Charisma + War.

Sure, it doubles her effective aptitude...to merely bad.
Well, she'd play DECENTLY the first time if she spent some time reading up on chess strategies and preparing it, she can use Every Last Detail + SWLIHN Excellency.

Still without actual War, it's not going to impress more than average guy.
 
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Yeah, SV's first priority is to survive. And I really hope Taylor's is too or there's going to be issues, up to and including doing everything we can not to let her go out anymore. Or turning her into something no one can hurt anymore, even herself.

Anyway, Survive. And we just had Oni Lee thrown at us using thermite. We thought we were brute enough to be good for a little while at least, he showed us we weren't. So yes, we're paranoia-ing at maximum right now, did you really expect us not to be?

After that we're expecting to end up on the wrong end of Coil, or Hookwolf, or someone who can hurt us very easily and very badly in short order. And we're expecting it to happen tomorrow essentially.
 
If Taylor can get access to an Enlightenment charm to awaken mortal's Essence, and her MA and CHA high enough, imagine her opening a dojo that effectively turns people into parahumans by teaching mortals Terrestrial MAs.

Or, Taylor trying to track down her mother's ghost after seeing if there's an Underworld in Earth-Bet.

Omake ideas!
 
Yeah, SV's first priority is to survive. And I really hope Taylor's is too or there's going to be issues, up to and including doing everything we can not to let her go out anymore. Or turning her into something no one can hurt anymore, even herself.

Anyway, Survive. And we just had Oni Lee thrown at us using thermite. We thought we were brute enough to be good for a little while at least, he showed us we weren't. So yes, we're paranoia-ing at maximum right now, did you really expect us not to be?

After that we're expecting to end up on the wrong end of Coil, or Hookwolf, or someone who can hurt us very easily and very badly in short order. And we're expecting it to happen tomorrow essentially.
It'll only happen tomorrow, so to say, If our decisions push us to confront them that soon.

I have repeatedly said you were overdoing the paranoia. So, yes. Given that attempting to seek out and fight HookWolf or the like on our own costs a minimum of 3 willpower? Our defenses are currently mostly sufficient. All they lack isDeath Dealing Journey and either SWLIHN Mythos Exultant to facilitate or something like Broken Silence Laughter Defense (for which we have the prerequisites) to avoid having to burn through WP or mental no-sell. And a surprise negator/second excellency / join battle improver. Because that's? That's why Oni Lee was able to do the equivalent to a stomp he did. Surprise round plus beat us at initiative. He STILL ONLY MANAGED ONE DAMAGE. Literally half the damage we took was self-inflicted.

Beyond that? Unless we go after the currently-non-Empire Purity for no good reason or pick a fight with Lung, Oni Le, or q small army or decent sized super team all at once? We're capable of surviving, charm wise.

Coil? No desire to let us know he exists at the current juncture for reasons that will make sense whenever I get reliable computer access back and finish posting up that interlude.
 
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