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[x] Hida Kinra

If we can win initiative, we go full attack and hopefully manage a hit before the other guy does. Cause I doubt we're going to outfight a Crab bushi without something tricky like that.
 
gman391 said:
As an aside, taking on Hida Kinra does have some slight knock on effects, notably if we by some absurd luck win, we'll kind of deprived the Crane a chance to smack around the Crab. Which is probably to the benefit of both but not necessarily to our erstwhile Ikoma friend. It may also turn out that Mariko-chan wanted to see the Crab lose.
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Don't we want to superficially remain friends with Mariko at the moment? Also given how we're not choosing our opponent IC I really doubt that Genjij will care.
 
I don't understand what all this "too many waifu options" talk means. I know Rokugan is a magical setting, but there is only one Matsu Ketsui...right?

[X] Hida Kinra
 
Wade Garrett said:
:o

No, no, this is fixable! See, if we set Naoto up with her instead of her canonical husbando, that daughter won't ever be born!

FIGHT THE FUTURE!

NO FATE BUT WHAT WE MAKE!:mad:
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I think Satomi has already been born.

As to the why, iirc it was only because of the Rain of Blood corrupting her and the Dark Oracle of Water egging her on.

EDIT: Oh wait no, she hasn't been born yet.
 
@Maugan Ra how many rounds of the kenjutsu tournament will there be?

In my opinion the number of total rounds in the tournament will determine when it is best for us to lose. Basically we want to get far enough that we look like a competent bushi but not so far as to create a reputation that we won't be able to back up.
 
Wade Garrett said:
:o

No, no, this is fixable! See, if we set Naoto up with her instead of her canonical husbando, that daughter won't ever be born!

FIGHT THE FUTURE!

NO FATE BUT WHAT WE MAKE!:mad:
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*Checks Heresy Guidebook*

Yeah that's definitely Shoridu. A Scorpion hit squad will be dispatched to your position momentarily. Please wait warmly.
 
kyuden said:
@Maugan Ra how many rounds of the kenjutsu tournament will there be?

In my opinion the number of total rounds in the tournament will determine when it is best for us to lose. Basically we want to get far enough that we look like a competent bushi but not so far as to create a reputation that we won't be able to back up.
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I figure we run it until we lose. We're *going* to lose eventually. Daidoji Chen can flatten us (if he entered), Bayushi Kimiko would absolutely wipe the floor with us, and it's *highly* likely that at least one of the four we see in this little grouping can take us as well. Additionally, it would seem odd if there weren't at least a few Matsu involved in this tournament, and any mid-ranked Matsu can wipe the floor with us as well. Maybe we stop spending void points, now that the first bout is behind us.

Mind you, there *is* a chance to be particularly insulting to Ginwei. "This man shamed me roundly in front of my peers and superiors... and then went down like a punk against his very next opponent." I'm just not sure that that's an insult we want to throw.

Additional: There's a benefit to having your opponent think you strong where you are weak, and weak where you are strong.
 
Honestly, given that everybody is swinging around really sharp pieces of metal really fast, even with Shujena on hand the chance of getting badly messed up on a loss means trying to throw a bout is a bad idea.

Not to mention that if anyone figures out we deliberately went out and half assed it that's a nasty insult to whoever our opponent was (possible exception if it's Bayushi Kimiko because I imagine one does not beat one's liege lord).
 
Wade Garrett said:
Honestly, given that everybody is swinging around really sharp pieces of metal really fast, even with Shujena on hand the chance of getting badly messed up on a loss means trying to throw a bout is a bad idea.

Not to mention that if anyone figures out we deliberately went out and half assed it that's a nasty insult to whoever our opponent was (possible exception if it's Bayushi Kimiko because I imagine one does not beat one's liege lord).
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If we manage to make it to Bayushi Kimiko, I'll be rolling etiquette to determine if there's any way to concede before the match starts without looking bad. On the other hand, it really won't matter. She'll go first, and there's no way she'll miss. We simply won't have *time* to throw the fight.
 
Sirrocco said:
If we manage to make it to Bayushi Kimiko, I'll be rolling etiquette to determine if there's any way to concede before the match starts without looking bad. On the other hand, it really won't matter. She'll go first, and there's no way she'll miss. We simply won't have *time* to throw the fight.
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I doubt it'll be an issue, since I recall that conceding to a superior opponent is considered honorable.
 
A Nation's Virtue said:
I doubt it'll be an issue, since I recall that conceding to a superior opponent is considered honorable.
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Huh. That does open up some possibilities, if true. Conceding the superiority of Daidoji Chen, for example (if he's here) could help curry some favor on the Crane side (though it would likely cost favor on the Lion side).

On the other hand, if the Matsu are arranging things, they might well have set him up with Bayushi Kimiko as his second round, so as to knock him out early and limit the potential honor gains for the Crane.
 
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It's worth noting that since this is a kenjutsu tournament and not an iaijutsu one, we could actually step to the Kakita. We probably wouldn't win because the smug fucks add their Iaijutsu Skill Ranks to their Initiative--and past I2 that means they get +2k0 to attack--but it's not this huge boogeyman that everyone's making it out to be.
 
Rook said:
It's worth noting that since this is a kenjutsu tournament and not an iaijutsu one, we could actually step to the Kakita. We probably wouldn't win because the smug fucks add their Iaijutsu Skill Ranks to their Initiative--and past I2 that means they get +2k0 to attack--but it's not this huge boogeyman that everyone's making it out to be.
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It's also to first blood, so while this is technically true, if he choses to close us, draw, and cut exactly like Iaijutsu, that does not penalize him in the slightest. He need only cut us once, after all.
 
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I wonder...
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What would actually happen if we would actually win this tournament?
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Well, besides Bitter Lies school being remade in near future as it found a new perfect master.
 
Night said:
It's also to first blood, so while this is technically true, if he choses to close us, draw, and cut exactly like Iaijutsu, that does not penalize him in the slightest. He need only cut us once, after all.
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... except we're starting with blades out? And it's to third blood?

No offense intended but I don't quite think you understand.
 
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Rook said:
... except we're starting with blades out? And it's to third blood?

No offense intended but I don't quite think you understand.
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It's to first blood for the rest of the matches. We just need to hit first, not miss, and do damage in the next match.

Though you are right that this is kenjutsu, not iaijutsu.
 
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al103 said:
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I wonder...
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What would actually happen if we would actually win this tournament?
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Well, besides Bitter Lies school being remade in near future as it found a new perfect master.
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Well, beating Matsu Ketsui in a kenjutsu duel would probably help us out romantically there. It's farcically unlikely, but it would probably help. Heck, the part where we'd have to beat Bayushi Kimiko might even get *her* interested. Tone change to "starkly lethal harem comedy"?
 
[X] Hida Kinra

Hida bushi are really good at defence, right? Considering that our tactic of "strike first and hope to draw blood" is pretty predictable, especially since he or his friends saw our first bout, I think we can expect him to have an answer for it. I don't think our odds are good, especially if we stop spending void points, since winning, while a bonus, isn't necessary for us. Hopefully we manage to bow out gracefully, and aren't carried off the field in several pieces.
 
You know, I think I might have figured out Ginwei's issue. He's from the currently still defunct Akodo Family. Why is the Akodo Family defunct? Well, it's because after the Scorpion Clan Coup Akodo Toturi declared himself Emperor to keep the Empire together because as far as he knew the Hantei line had died completely. Someone strong had to step up to prevent Rokugan from breaking apart, and Toturi saw himself as the best person for the job.

He was wrong, of course, and renounced all claim to the throne immediately after Hantei Sotorii revealed himself. However, while Sotorii was grateful for Toturi's aid in punishing the Scorpion he felt the man had failed in preventing the coup from happening in the first place. Combined with Toturi's attempt to declare himself Emperor, Hantei XXXIX felt there had to be punishment. This was, naturally, the dissolution of the Akodo name.

In short, you could argue in a roundabout way the Scorpion are responsible for why Ginwei's not part of the Family he should have been born into. If the young Matsu is thinking along these lines, then it might explain his initial dislike of Naoto beyond the usual Lion norms. Said dislike only grew after Nimuro's chastisement, and at this point we may have become a symbol of all of Ginwei's frustrations.

Which will only make our eventual befriending of him all the more impressive when we pull it off. :V
 
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I rather doubt that we'll befriend him.

Still, it's a very interesting analysis regarding his animosity for us.

EDIT: Then again, it could of course simply be that he originally just looked for an easy target to bully a little to make himself feel better, or look better in the eyes of his comrades, which we then ruined both by our reaction and by accepting Nimuro's interference. Thus, turning us from a target of opportunity into an enemy.
 
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