In Thunder's Echo (Legend of the Five Rings Quest)

That's not a bad idea. It would be even better if we can somehow do it without tipping the Crane off, or even make them think we're playing along/being their friends. As unlikely as that might be; we're Scorpion, after all. No one's our friend. :p
Actually kinda wrong. Iirc Scorpion value true friendship just under loyalty. A Scorpion friend is a friend for life, unless you royally fuck shit up.
 
Whether or not the Matsu are at ware doesn't matter to us a whole lot, as long as they aren't at war with *us*. On the other hand, whether or not we were involved in getting them there might matter quite a lot. Worth noting that, as far as we can tell, Otomo-sama does not want them to be at war. Partially this is to let the Empire rebuild, but I'm startign to get the idea that partially this is to chasten and humble/humiliate them. A Matsu who cannot fight is a Matsu who is suffering, and he wants this Matsu to suffer.

Regardless of his reasons, though, we don't want to get on his bad side - and it's highly likely that he'll be able to see through any schemes we happen to employ - after the fact, if not beforehand. As such, I think we're better off not pushing people towards war with the Lion. Similarly, the Crane want to punish the Matsu in ways that have nothing to do with war... but aiding them in that openly antagonizes the Matsu in all the wrong ways.

The Ikoma... my guess is that the Ikoma are just hoping to run damage control here. They know that this Winter court is going to be problematic. They don't have any way to change that, but they're hopign to limit the damage as much as possible. In their case, that means not starting up any new wars, blunting whatever damage the Crane hope to do, and hopefully winning over at least a *few* of the attendees.

It's curious, though, what the Crane hope to attain against the Matsu. My guess is that it's an "all politics is personal" thing. They hope to dishonor their hosts as thoroughly and brutally as they can. The fact that the Otomo is here, and that, by extension, the Eye of the Emperor is upon them, is about the best news they could have hoped for, as it means that there's a higher authority than the Diamyo in the area for them to appeal to, and to besmirch the Diamyo's name in front of.

The Matsu are not our enemies. They are rather a savage beast - a wounded lion, who snarls and swipes at all who come near. They are a danger, but they are too simple to be our opponent. If a Matsu is attacking you, you will know, because they will scream first.
 
Actually kinda wrong. Iirc Scorpion value true friendship just under loyalty. A Scorpion friend is a friend for life, unless you royally fuck shit up.
Yes, but the other clans don't see it that way, IIRC. Kinda comes with being the card-carrying villain; no one trusts you. :p

As for the Crane... maybe a mix of dominance-games vs. the Lion, and a sort of strength-proving exercise for everyone else? Proving their strength in court for the other delegations to see, so the other clans don't get any interesting ideas about the Crane's current state and the weakness that comes with it?

Also, while the Matsu aren't the most skilled/suited for court games, the Ikoma are fairly good IIRC, and chances are they'll pass along a lot of their insights to the daimyo, and provide suggestions/counter-schemes and whatnot. Probably best not to underestimate them.
 
Also, while the Matsu aren't the most skilled/suited for court games, the Ikoma are fairly good IIRC, and chances are they'll pass along a lot of their insights to the daimyo, and provide suggestions/counter-schemes and whatnot. Probably best not to underestimate them.

I don't underestimate them... but I think you have to treat them, at least potentially, as separate players from the Matsu. The current Lion Clan Champion is Ikoma, and the Matsu chafe under him. I guarantee that their goals and his are not the same. Whether this Ikoma is more loyal to her current Lord or to her Family Diamyo and Clan Champion? Well, that one's probably pretty interesting, isn't it? It's especially interesting because the things that the Matsu want are not likely to be the things that the Ikoma would think would be good for them in the long run. Let us suppose that the Ikoma come across information that the Matsu Diamyo would want to know, but that would cause her to act even further against the wishes of her Clan Champion. What do they do? It is an interesting meditation in Loyalty, I should think.

Oh, and it's even *more* clear that the things that the Matsu want and the things that the Emperor wants are not the same, just to muddy it further.
 
1.16 - Observing the Court
At the invitation, the attendees all rise to their feet in a flurry of motion and rising tide of (softly spoken) conversation. Bayushi Kimoko casts her gaze across the hall, sizing up each group in turn, and turns to regard you and Hanzo.

"Well, that was enlightening." She says in a calm, conversational tone of voice. "I rather imagine we're going to see a line or two drawn quite shortly. It should be interesting to observe."

There is a slight stress placed upon that last word, containing the order that you and Yogo Hanzo are both perceptive enough to pick up on. The three of you trade meaningless observations for a few moments more, then slowly drift apart in the sea of shifting bodies around you, seeking to identify and assess the major players in a bit more detail.

Personally, you move over towards the edge of the Hall, staying clear of the rapidly forming groups of conversing samurai in favour of inspecting the numerous works of art hung along the walls. They really are quite impressive, if of something of a bolder and more martial style than you might expect to find elsewhere, but you are more concerned with the excuse they provide for staying near the perimeter. From here you have a much easier time surveying the different trends that are already developing among the guests and other assorted attendees.

The majority of the samurai present are from the Lion Clan, as is perhaps to be expected, and they seem largely inclined to stick together rather than engage samurai from outside of their clan on anything resembling equal footing. There are exceptions - a pair of samurai wearing the Kitsu Mon have engaged the Dragon delegate in what seems to be a conversation about swordsmanship - but the overall pattern there is clear.

Near the far wall, the Crab and Crane delegations are speaking with one another. There is a degree of tension there, likely to do with the bad history the two Clans share regarding the Yasuki family, but the exchange seems fairly amicable so far. No one is reaching for their swords at any rate, and given the character of the Court so far that's probably the best you can hope for.

Yogo Hanzo appears to have fallen into a discussion with the Iuchi Shugenja from the Unicorn, and based on the way the two of them are drawing only the most cursory attention from the surrounding crowds the topic is likely only accessible to those who can speak with the Kami. Meanwhile the rest of the Unicorn are speaking to the Mantis about something, though it is difficult to tell what - they seem fairly animated, though, so presumably they've found something resembling common ground.

Otomo Kairyu has disappeared, as has Ikoma Genji, which leads you to suspect they are likely taking the opportunity provided to discuss some finer point of administrative business. All of which leaves the Phoenix, who are...

"A pleasant evening, is it not, Soshi-san?"

...right beside you, apparently. Your training was comprehensive enough that you manage to restrain the urge to visibly startle, instead turning to face Asako Tani as she steps around the nearest pillar.


"Very much so, Asako-sama." You reply, bowing lower than she does in appropriate levels of deference. You cannot see the Shiba that serves as her Yojimbo, but you would be very surprised if he isn't somewhere nearby keeping an eye on the two of you. "I see the art has caught your attention as well?"

That is a polite fiction and you both know it - she has deliberately approached you, which means she has some sort of goal in mind, but as always with such things the appearance is more important than the substance. The Phoenix nods in agreement, turning to regard the nearest of the paintings, and you note that she is carrying a katana of her own. An unusual choice for someone who appears to be a courtier, but presumably she feels her skills sufficient to make the implicit statement.

"It is rather striking, isn't it? Bold, perhaps even fierce, and very eye-catching. Much like the Lion themselves in that way." She muses, glancing over at you. "Are you an artist, Soshi-san?"

There is often value in concealing your strengths and weaknesses, but claiming knowledge of a topic that someone wishes to discuss in depth is a sure method to obtain disaster, and so you shake your head. "I am afraid not, Asako-sama. I have an appreciation for the arts, but it is merely that of an interested amateur. My training has always been in more... cerebral pursuits."

"A fortunate coincidence." Asako Tani says, smiling as she lies to your face. "So was mine, though circumstances encouraged me to broaden my studies before too long. Have you a preferred area of study?"

What do you wish to discuss?
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GM's note - Thanks to Sage and your Intelligence you can pick almost any topic and avoid the embarrassment of ignorance. The primary impact of your choice is going to be the impression that the Phoenix have of you.
 
I'm tempted to say Lore: Theology if only because the Phoenix are fairly spiritual themselves iirc. Being seen as particularly religious by them or at least having a deep interest in such matters could work to our favor.

Can we please get a Lore roll on the Phoenix?
 
I'm tempted to say Lore: Theology if only because the Phoenix are fairly spiritual themselves iirc. Being seen as particularly religious by them or at least having a deep interest in such matters could work to our favor.

Can we please get a Lore roll on the Phoenix?
Might be a bit too on the nose?

I was going to say History, it's important and broad enough that our interest in it can be used to say anything, depending on what part we focus on. In this case, the early history of the Empire is more or less the subject of myth and religion what with all the gods walking about.
 
Actually, screw it. Can we get Lore rolls for all the Great Clans? I know this sounds tedious, but it could help us formulate a strategy going forward instead of asking for info piecemeal.
 
could this be an opportunity to let the Phoenix know that the antidote was an olive branch? Use a metaphor to show that we're willing to have peace?
 
That might be giving rather valuable information away too early, though. There should be some other ways for us to convey our peaceful intentions.
 
I agree with this. Maybe a statement lamenting the wars that have torn apart Rokugan and mention how we're still weak and rebuilding?
That again contrasts our secondary objective of projecting "vague strength" (not too sure about the exact phrasing).

Honestly, can't really think of a good topic at the moment, and it's getting a bit late for me. Gonna see if I can think of something tomorrow, perhaps.
 
[X] "I can't call myself an expert in any field in particular, I've rather flitted from subject to subject thus far. Just recently, I had a brief opportunity to learn from a respected Shosuro herbalist, having stayed at the same lodgings. He taught me quite a lot about the medicinal properties of herbs, when he was correcting me after a rather ignorant statement. Overall, however, I find myself returning to the study of the past and the wisdom of our ancestors time and again. I suppose that could be called my preferred subject. What about yourself Asako-sama?"

I'll go with this, for the time's being.

Edit: In regards to revealing the peaceful meaning of our message the time to do it is now, I think, before the bad first impression fully sets in.
 
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Hmm I do like Tani from initial impressions

[x] "I have several interests Asako-sama, in truth it all seems so interwoven and connected that picking just one is difficult. History ties into geography which ties into spiritual matters, I have yet to see one question I found the answer to that did not raise further questions. If Asako-sama would grace me with her preferred field of studies, I would be grateful."
 
Actually, screw it. Can we get Lore rolls for all the Great Clans? I know this sounds tedious, but it could help us formulate a strategy going forward instead of asking for info piecemeal.

*sighs*

Yup, figured this was coming. It's close to midnight here, so you'll have to wait until tomorrow for the actual full write-ups for most of these, but I might as well see what the rolls are now so I can plan this stuff out.

You've already done the Crane, the Lion and the Imperial Families (and I've threadmarked the relevant posts, along with some of the player posts that I think are useful reference points.) 5k4 for each of these gives you...

Crab Clan = 18
Dragon Clan = 30
Mantis = 42
Phoenix = 34
Unicorn = 27

Thus, you know basically everything there is to know about the Mantis and a sizeable amount about the others. I'll go to work on writing these up one at a time.
 
I'm leaning towards gman's vote, though I don't like how it doesn't answer her question. Sure we're Scorpion, but giving an answer (even a fake one) presents an image that we can manipulate and make use of.
 
*sighs*

Yup, figured this was coming. It's close to midnight here, so you'll have to wait until tomorrow for the actual full write-ups for most of these, but I might as well see what the rolls are now so I can plan this stuff out.

You've already done the Crane, the Lion and the Imperial Families (and I've threadmarked the relevant posts, along with some of the player posts that I think are useful reference points.) 5k4 for each of these gives you...

Crab Clan = 18
Dragon Clan = 30
Mantis = 42
Phoenix = 34
Unicorn = 27

Thus, you know basically everything there is to know about the Mantis and a sizeable amount about the others. I'll go to work on writing these up one at a time.

Naoto: Crabs? I've heard they're usually on the coastlines, aren't they, and something with monsters?
 
I'm leaning towards gman's vote, though I don't like how it doesn't answer her question. Sure we're Scorpion, but giving an answer (even a fake one) presents an image that we can manipulate and make use of.
It actually does give an answer. Namely that we don't have a focus rather we know a bit of everything, it also says that it's because we're naturally curious and like learning. All things an Asako Lore Master (Which I'm assuming Tani is) would like to hear and feel kinship with.
 
We know about everything. Especially weapons, really. But Phoenix don't. So... let's talk what we know. Humble but not lying.

[] "I prefer to study anything and everything I have the good fortune to, Asako-sama, and I have thus far been very fortunate. If Asako-sama would grace me with her preferred field of studies, I would be grateful."

ripping from gman shamelessly to pad the rest out because it's good. blah. hard to social properly what with everything going on in Paris tonight.

e-not that humble actually idk tear this vote to shreds please.
e2- yeah shitvote is shit.
 
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We could give her a few topics... and keep secret the depth of our knowledge.

If people don't realize the scope of our knowledge, they can't prepare for it.
 
We could give her a few topics... and keep secret the depth of our knowledge.

If people don't realize the scope of our knowledge, they can't prepare for it.
Regardless of what actually happens I don't think we should, in most any situation like this, conceal that we're a walking encyclopedia; we're trying to establish contacts and a reputation for knowing things; acting otherwise is counterproductive.
 
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