In Thunder's Echo (Legend of the Five Rings Quest)

Regardless of what actually happens I don't think we should, in most any situation like this, conceal that we're a walking encyclopedia; we're trying to establish contacts and a reputation for knowing things; acting otherwise is counterproductive.
We don't need to conceal. Just not bring the topic up.

If they realize the scope of our knowledge we act as is proper... but for now we have no reason to do so.

For them to have some misconceptions about us is only proper, after all. We are Scorpions
 
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Lore check - Crab Clan
The Crab Clan

The Crab are a divisive subject in Rokugan today. Having stood guard against the Shadowlands on their great Kaiu Wall for over a millennium, after the Scorpion Coup and the ascendence of the Last Hantei they struck a deal with Jigoku and attempted to conquer the Empire. Crab armies, accompanied by demons and hordes of other horrific monsters, marched north into the heartland of the Empire. In 1128, they engaged and annihilated a Lion army under the command of Matsu Tsuko, and blockaded the Imperial City. After preparing for a short time, their champion Hida Kisada stormed the palace at the head of his army, aiming to kill the sickly child that he expected to find and seat himself upon the Emerald Throne.

What he found waiting for him was Fu Leng.

The Fallen Kami engaged Kisada in single combat and spent the next few minutes casually tossing the Champion through walls and solid pillars before embedding the Ancestral Sword of the Hantei in his gut. While this was going on the Crab's shadowlands allies turned on them and, with the advantage of complete surprise, inflicting serious casualties.

Realizing the depth of his mistake, Kisada retreated to the Wall and regrouped with his remaining soldiers, before marching back north to take part in the Second Day of Thunder. Victorious, he then spent the next two years slowly dying from the wound that Fu Leng had inflicted on him, finally passing away earlier this year.

At his funeral, Emperor Toturi declared Kisada to be the Fortune of Persistence, elevating him to the Celestial Heavens.

The current Crab Champion is Hida Yakamo, Kisada's son and the Clan Thunder. He lost his arm during the Scorpion Coup, had it replaced with a graft from a demon, then famously tore it from his own body when he realized the treachery of the Shadowlands. He currently has an arm of solid Jade, which no one knows the source of.

You have no idea of what the Crab Clan have done beyond that or what their current goals and alliances are like.
 
[x] gman391

...because we want a reputation. The reputation we want is "knows a lot of stuff, and is both curious and helpful". This supports that beautifully

It's not time to spend the secret about the herbs. Not here.
 
[x] gman391

breghleblrhrgbljghl yeah this vote's much better. >_<
 
The Crab Clan

The Crab are a divisive subject in Rokugan today. Having stood guard against the Shadowlands on their great Kaiu Wall for over a millennium, after the Scorpion Coup and the ascendence of the Last Hantei they struck a deal with Jigoku and attempted to conquer the Empire. Crab armies, accompanied by demons and hordes of other horrific monsters, marched north into the heartland of the Empire. In 1128, they engaged and annihilated a Lion army under the command of Matsu Tsuko, and blockaded the Imperial City. After preparing for a short time, their champion Hida Kisada stormed the palace at the head of his army, aiming to kill the sickly child that he expected to find and seat himself upon the Emerald Throne.

What he found waiting for him was Fu Leng.

The Fallen Kami engaged Kisada in single combat and spent the next few minutes casually tossing the Champion through walls and solid pillars before embedding the Ancestral Sword of the Hantei in his gut. While this was going on the Crab's shadowlands allies turned on them and, with the advantage of complete surprise, inflicting serious casualties.

Realizing the depth of his mistake, Kisada retreated to the Wall and regrouped with his remaining soldiers, before marching back north to take part in the Second Day of Thunder. Victorious, he then spent the next two years slowly dying from the wound that Fu Leng had inflicted on him, finally passing away earlier this year.

At his funeral, Emperor Toturi declared Kisada to be the Fortune of Persistence, elevating him to the Celestial Heavens.

The current Crab Champion is Hida Yakamo, Kisada's son and the Clan Thunder. He lost his arm during the Scorpion Coup, had it replaced with a graft from a demon, then famously tore it from his own body when he realized the treachery of the Shadowlands. He currently has an arm of solid Jade, which no one knows the source of.

You have no idea of what the Crab Clan have done beyond that or what their current goals and alliances are like.

Okay, this is a novice question, but so the Crab being all 'protect people from the Shadowlands' is new, or something? I sorta followed the other L5R Quest, and since they play a Crab there, I thought they were heroes or the like, but apparently they made deals with the very beings they were supposed to protect everyone from? Huh.
 
I can field this one, actually.

The Crab have had one job, their history. It is a thankless one: to wage war against the Shadowlands.

That is their sole purpose. Everything that is Crab contributes to manning the front and, since its erection, Kaiu Kabe, The Great Carpenter Wall. They only care about things that help them do their job and so, understandably, when nobody in the Empire likes to even admit they do all these things that are needed and they are always in a dire war... they get pretty grumpy.

They are devoted to their job. Insanely so. It's just that, yannow. L5R was also a CCG and the players influenced the story. Which gets you zany shit like:

"And then the Crab turned and joined the Shadowlands!"

"And then the Shinjo were all Kolat~"

And so on.

It's just that when the CCG gets to dictate story, in-setting consistency tends to get a bit... shall we say, wonky.
 
Okay, this is a novice question, but so the Crab being all 'protect people from the Shadowlands' is new, or something? I sorta followed the other L5R Quest, and since they play a Crab there, I thought they were heroes or the like, but apparently they made deals with the very beings they were supposed to protect everyone from? Huh.
Meta-reason? See above.

In-universe reason? Something something Crab only respect the strong something something Hantei Emperor was weak something something Hida Kisada had a case of the stupid and decided that he could use the Shadowlands to become Emperor himself before backstabbing the Shadowlands

Then he got smacked around by the Last Hantei/Fu Leng, came to the assistance of the Thunders on the Second Day of Thunder, and got made into the Fortune of Persistence.

:/
 
It's just that when the CCG gets to dictate story, in-setting consistency tends to get a bit... shall we say, wonky.

This is... almost true.

The thing to realize was that Clan War was the start of it all. Before there was any RPG, or massive amounts of fic, or even all that coherent of a backstory. Initially, the Crab were the shadowlands-tainted defense-oriented military clan. The Lion were the honorable offense-oriented clan. The Unicorn were the cavalry-based military clan. The Crane were courtiers who focused on the honor victory, the Phoenix were the shugenja clan with the coming-back-to-life schtick, the Dragon were the clan who mixed shugenja and bushi, and there were only two Scorpion in the game, one of whom was Bayushi Kachiko.

...until the Crab Clan players basically stood up as a group and said "No. No that's not what we are." They then proceeded to field relentlessly pure decks at the major events until the fic bent to accept them, and left us with Hida Yakamo, who had started the game as the guy who gave his name to an oni and strapped a shadowlands-tainted artifact on his arm into the closest thing there was to a living icon of purity.

Basically, it's the current dedication of the Crab to the fight that's the fault of the players, not the original taintedness. They then retconned all that into the backstory when they went back for the prequel expansions.

Incidentally, it's also gotten us zany stuff like "but the Mantis have a family full of super-honorable shugenja", a lion clan oni, Mighty Mighty Toku, having the empress foster her heir to the Spider Clan, and the Shadow Dragon.

Meta-reason? See above.

In-universe reason? Something something Crab only respect the strong something something Hantei Emperor was weak something something Hida Kisada had a case of the stupid and decided that he could use the Shadowlands to become Emperor himself before backstabbing the Shadowlands

Then he got smacked around by the Last Hantei/Fu Leng, came to the assistance of the Thunders on the Second Day of Thunder, and got made into the Fortune of Persistence.

:/

He then came back later from the realms of the dead, took over the Crab Clan *again*, and was eventually assassinated. I don't know if that was before or after he got made into a fortune, but I suspect it was before.
 
He then came back later from the realms of the dead, took over the Crab Clan *again*, and was eventually assassinated. I don't know if that was before or after he got made into a fortune, but I suspect it was before.
Just checked, it was after.

Looks like he died the second time when Scorpion assassins came to start the Third Yasuki War...after he killed two dozen of them as an old man. :o
 
Just checked, it was after.

Looks like he died the second time when Scorpion assassins came to start the Third Yasuki War...after he killed two dozen of them as an old man. :o
I think I was reading about this guy on the wiki recently. Didn't the Scorpion daimyo of that time try to assassinate him many many times and yet was completely unprepared for him coming in with an army and ravaging the land?
 
For a thousand years the Crab stood strong, for a thousand years they were ignored unless they had failed. Unceasing war that ends in nothing but dead men and women and orphans. This is the burden of the Crab, one we bore gladly for it was as our founder said, only we had the strength to do so.

Yet in the start of the twelfth century we found ourselves disillusioned. The power of the shadowlands had waned and for even the Crab a peace of sorts grew or so it seemed. Hida Kisada looked at the burden the Clan had borne, looked at the loses of our lands and our people for the Empire, time and again we had sacrificed. The Kuni Wastes, the lost lands of the Hiruma, the Tower of Fear, all of these were testaments to our sacrifice.

And what did we get for it? The prattle of the Crane of how we weren't needed so much. The empty boasts of the Lion of how they were the strongest, when they hadn't even had a war since the return of the Unicorn, and even that they did not win so much as not lose. How can bullies be the strongest anything?

So the time came when Bayushi Shoju led his little coup and asked for our aid. How could we have anything but contempt for someone who was willing to sacrifice everything but his life to gain power? So with the other clans we crushed Shoju like the dust beneath our heels. Yet this event placed a dangerous thought in Kisada's mind

The new Hantei was an easily led fool, even taking the woman of Bayushi Shoju as his bride. It was pathetic, and Shoju had shown that the whole rotten edifice was near collapse, it just took one of sufficient strength to take control and make the Empire strong again.

Naturally it was the Crab who had such strength. Here now enters the tale of Kuni Yori. Kisada knew that he could not march on Otosan Uchi without the Shadowlands taking advantage, they were weak not worthless. He asked Kuni Yori master of the Kuni and unrivalled scholar of the darkness to find a way to prevent that.

Kuni Yori led astray by the madness of his father and his own unbridled desire for power had long since submitted himself to the darkness, and so he lied to Kisada, lied and convinced his champion that a treaty was possible one where the Shadowlands could be lured into a trap and destroyed once and for all, but only if they were convinced the Crab were on their side.

And so under the advice of Yori, Kisada made the bargain, a terrible one that was not opposed by any save his youngest son, Hida Sukune. This would cost them both dearly in the end. The Crab bolstered by the Shadows marched north destroying and killing all before them until Beiden's pass. There Toturi the Black had gathered his army and in a great testament of skill over strength all but destroyed the Crab army under Sukune.

Kisada by now utterly committed as he always was once he had undertaken a course of action demanded that Yori find a way to appease their allies. Yori would turn Sukune into a human sacrifice for a great and terrible banner that would empower the Shadowlands Horde greatly. As this happened Kisada turned to the Mantis forcing them to build a fleet, if he could not destroy The Army of the Wolf under Toturi, he would go around.

So Kisada launched his second army by sea as a dagger at Otosan Uchi, there to be met army of Matsu Tsuko. And here did history go in his favour. Bayushi Kachiko, wife of the Last Hantei hated the Lion fervently and wished to crush their spirits. So she tricked her way into control of the Imperial Seal, and used it to force Matsu Tsuko to stand aside and not lead her army. Bereft of her presence and tactical acumen. She could only watch from a near by hill as Kisada destroyed her army utterly.

Kisada blocked Otosan Uchi and assaulted the Imperial Palace...only then did he realize he had been manipulated all along. Only when confronted by he Last Hantei now possessed by Fu Leng did he realize the truth. That his greatest foe had used him, and destroyed him with it.

Kisada was mortally wounded in the encounter and prepared to commit seppukku. Hida Yakumo his other son convinced him to lend the Crab armies towards fighting the Shadowlands and the Fallen Emperor. Kisada agreed after Yakumo's passionate pleas.

Still he was weak and it was only after making a Truce with Toturi the Black that he found himself, and prepared for one last battle. The Clans now united against the Fallen Emperor marched on Otosan Uchi.

The Great Bear surprisingly survived the battle, but stepped down as Champion. He would pass away two years later from the wounds Fu Leng gave to him. In testament to his redemption and endless persistence he was elevated to a fortune.

(If you guys want the history of Toku I can type that up too later)
 
The story of Toku the man is inspiring.

The story of Toku the *card* is *hilarious* (though it doesn't make much sense unless you're reasonably into the card game to begin with).
 
I find myself curious too; what I know of L5R is predominately from countless wikia trawls, reading through stories and sourcebooks and doing some PbP.
 
So Toku was designed to be the weakest possible Samurai. He had no force (the stat for winning battles), 1 chi (chi is mostly used for funny stuff, but 0 chi means you're just dead), a couple points of personal honor, and he was a ronin (so no one got honor for bringing him out. Honor is essentially victory points for one of the win conditions, and if your foe can dishonor you enough, bad things happen). On the other hand, he was also the *cheapest* possible samurai. He literally cost nothing. He's show up in your province and you'd bring him out that turn, then use him however you like.

...and boy did people use him. After all, he could be used for anything you could use a personality for, as long as you didn't care which one. He was endlessly sacrificed to a variety of oni, he was sent to lobby for the imperial favor quite a lot, and, entertainingly, he was sent to lead assaults all by himself. It was a bit nerve-wracking, You never knew what cards the other guy had in his hand. Don't block? Might drop three charges and cap the province. Block with a bit? Might Superior Tactics in a much stompier samurai and kill the guy you sent. Block with a lot? If he's got the right cards, Toku dies honorably... and he plays Duty to the Clan, letting him bring out his Toturi or Yoritomo or other terrifyingly powerful and expensive personality free of charge

Oh - and then Toturi started pulling together his rag-tag army of ronin, and Toku was an obvious recruit - meaning that Toturi's Army got 2 free honor when he popped out, too.

Now, one of the schticks of the "card game guides plot" is that the cards people play in their deck matter - they get worked into the storyline, and they generally got experienced versions, and basically every Toturi's Army player ran three of this guy in the deck (as did a number of other decks, if they thought they could use him). In the end, he got three experienced versions, an experienced 2KYD (a "what if" expansion for what the world would have looked like if Fu Leng had won during the Day of Thunder... and *deeply* depressing) and a shrinelike holding for his grave... along with a storyline about basically being Toturi's Most Industrious And Loyal Follower Ever (because he was *constantly* laying his life down for his lord and/or running around doing whatever random job needed to be done).

Thus the joke of Mighty Mighty Toku - because he was, in some ways, a very powerful card who also happened to be the least mighty personality possible.
 
So I was looking over past updates, and I noticed something that I had completely forgotten about. As the Scorpion, we control the trade routes for the entire southern half of the Empire. That means our likeliest allies are the Crane and Crab, especially the latter as they have no way of being able to trade with anyone else at all...if this map I'm looking at is largely correct in how the clan lands are apportioned.

We should probably approach the Crab about this. We could also probably get a lot of good will with them if we sell our Jade at a discount in exchange for support in other matters or discounts on their own exports (largely metals and tea if I recall correctly).
 
So I was looking over past updates, and I noticed something that I had completely forgotten about. As the Scorpion, we control the trade routes for the entire southern half of the Empire. That means our likeliest allies are the Crane and Crab, especially the latter as they have no way of being able to trade with anyone else at all...if this map I'm looking at is largely correct in how the clan lands are apportioned.

We should probably approach the Crab about this. We could also probably get a lot of good will with them if we sell our Jade at a discount in exchange for support in other matters or discounts on their own exports (largely metals and tea if I recall correctly).
I think... it is not that simple. Also, I think it better in cases like this to let them approach us on the matter - and perhaps best to delay any sort of direct discussions on trade until after we have a point in Commerce, if then. Pale Oak and his people are here for a reason.

We'd be talking to the Yasuki on this, if we talked with anyone. The Yasuki are basically courtiers built around being mercantile. There's no rush, and in a field stacked against us like that, no reason to yield any more advantage than we have to. They know we have Jade, and they *know* we control the trade routes. They don't have to be told. We can let the rest come in its own time.
 
Hmm I do like Tani from initial impressions

[] "I have several interests Asako-sama, in truth it all seems so interwoven and connected that picking just one is difficult. History ties into geography which ties into spiritual matters, I have yet to see one question I found the answer to that did not raise further questions. If Asako-sama would grace me with her preferred field of studies, I would be grateful."
Y'know, it occurs to me that, when she reveals her preferred field of studies and we prove ourselves knowledgeable in it, she - and possibly some courtiers from other Clans who hear of this - will probably spend a lot of time wondering just how the Scorpion knew in advance who the Phoenix would send to this Court, and could handpick someone who would be able to engage with her in conversation like this.
And then they'll probably start thinking and worrying just what *else* we might know about the delegates here.

Nevermind that our character really is just that broadly knowledgeable. :D

Maybe try and play this up a little? Mindgames like that could be fun.
Though, it would probably come out that we really are that broadly educated at some point.
 
Lore check - Dragon Clan
Dragon Clan

The current era is one of change and confusion for all of Rokugan, but perhaps none more so than the Dragon. For most of recorded history the children of Togashi have been content to stay in their own territory, located in the mountains near the northern border of Rokugan, pursuing enlightenment and observing the world below. They were strange and enigmatic, acting according to their own arcane insights and deciding on courses of action that rarely made much sense to the rest of Rokugan. Dragon armies would ocassionally march out of their mountains and intervene in ongoing conflicts in some unusual and precise fashion, then return home without a word of explanation. For a thousand years, the rest of the Empire wondered at the reasoning behind this, or else dismissed the Clan as being largely irrelevant.

Two years ago, the reasoning behind the Dragon's strange history finally became clear. Togashi Yokuni, the Dragon Clan champion, revealed himself to the world as Togashi-no-Kami, one of the first founders of the Empire and Fu Leng's one surviving brother. For a thousand years he had been guiding his Clan with prophetic foresight in preparation for this day. He commits his forces to the preservation of the Brotherhood of Shinsei, lends forces to Toruri the Black, convinces Bayushi Kachiko to stay in the capital and weaken Fu Leng, and otherwise does everything in his power to prepare the people of Rokugan for the Second Day of Thunder.

When the day came, he accompanied the Seven Thunders into the Imperial Palace and confronted Fu Leng. The Dark Kami cut Togashi down, mortally wounding him, but in his last moments the Dragon Champion turned to the Thunder Mirumoto Hitomi and commanded her to cut open his heart. Within was the last Black Scroll, which fully freed and empowered Fu Leng... and also made him mortal. With his last breath, Togashi gave his life to ensure that the mortal champions of the Empire could finish the job and defeat his fallen brother, slaying Fu Leng for good.

In the aftermath of the Second Day of Thunder, Mirumoto Hitmoi claimed the title of Dragon Clan Champion, being accepted unanimously by the Clan. She and her Clan returned to their mountains, seeking to understand what this change would mean for them as a people - their ancient Duty, to watch for the return of Fu Leng, had been fulfilled, and their immortal leader had finally perished. No one knows what the Dragon intend to do next - not even they themselves.

You don't know a lot about what the Clan as a whole intends or desires, but you know enough to make some guesses about their Champion. Mirumoto Hitomi is famous for her feud with the now Crab Champion Hida Yakamo - he killed her beloved brother years ago, and she dedicated herself to revenge. They met in duels three times, once during the Scorpion Coup, once during the Clan Wars and once during the Second Day of Thunder. In the first, Hitomi took Yakamo's arm and had to be dragged away by her kin before she murdered him. In the second, he took her arm in the Battle of Beiden Pass. In the third, she defeated him utterly (having found him weakened by a fight with an Oni) but left him alive in the knowledge that she could have killed him. It seems unlikely she will have forgotten him or the Crab entirely.

Secondly, the Mirumoto are known to have an enduring rivalry with the Kakita second only to that of the Matsu, one built around competing styles of dueling and general swordsmanship. It is something of a tradition for students of the two competing schools to duel when they meet, and given that the Crane have brought a Kakita to court you can likely expect to see a clash between the two of them at some point.

Finally, Mirumoto Hitomi herself is acting increasingly... strange. The hand she lost to Yakamo was replaced with one of living Obsidian, though again none know where she obtained it, and given that material's association with the Taint and Madness it can only be speculated what grafting it into your body would do. In addition to this, she seems to have obtained a portion of Togashi's divine essence after slaying him, which has empowered her even as it has changed her perspective. Now the Dragon Clan act in strange and mysterious ways even compared to their previous history, and none who have met the reclusive new champion can get a read on her thoughts or motivations.
 
Finally, Mirumoto Hitomi herself is acting increasingly... strange. The hand she lost to Yakamo was replaced with one of living Obsidian, though again none know where she obtained it, and given that material's association with the Taint and Madness it can only be speculated what grafting it into your body would do. In addition to this, she seems to have obtained a portion of Togashi's divine essence after slaying him, which has empowered her even as it has changed her perspective. Now the Dragon Clan act in strange and mysterious ways even compared to their previous history, and none who have met the reclusive new champion can get a read on her thoughts or motivations.
Crazy Hitomi soon fellow questers.
 
Lore check - Mantis Clan
Mantis Clan

Rokugan is a highly conservative nation, with social policies and a structured political system that has remained largely identical for over a thousand years. Individuals come and go, philosophies rise and fall, but there are certain constants that have remained all but unchanged since the very foundation of the Empire itself. It is a nation built by the Kami, children of the Sun and Moon, and it is ruled by their descendants.

The Mantis are not descended from a Kami. Their founder was Kaimetsu-Uo, the legitimate son of Hida Osano-Wo and his Matsu wife, and who was perhaps the first recorded samurai to forswear allegiance to his birth Clan. It is believed that they were the first samurai to ever willingly become ronin, though they retained a spiritual connection with their founder's divine father (who became the Fortune of Fire and Thunder), and they left what many considered to be Rokugan proper in order to claim territory of their own on the Islands of Silk and Spice. There they established a port and developed a school and philosophy of their own, creating and exploiting a dominance of the sea trade to become fantastically wealthy. Even so, legally they were still little more than ronin, and their habit for ocassional piracy did not endear them to the rest of the Empire.

In 429, the Mantis (as they called themselves) were finally invited to send an emissary to the Imperial Winter Court. Their Champion Gusai met the Emperor face to face, and claimed that steel was stronger than any amount of pretty words or cunning schemes. Amused, the Emperor offered to make him a lord if he could prove it. Gusai did so by drawing a hidden dagger and touching it to the Emperor's throat. For this act, the Mantis were granted Minor Clan status and dominion over their islands. Gusai himself was executed and his body thrown to the sharks.

For the next six centuries the Mantis continued to expand their navy and their financial operations, soon coming to absolutely dominate any kind of sea-going trade or warfare, though their minor status meant they didn't get as much respect as they might perhaps deserve within the rest of the Empire. They traded and warred with the gaijin, refined their ship designs and continued to pursue their own ambitions. Still, while none know how their history might have turned out if things had continued on that course, it seems unlikely they would have ever risen much further.

During the Clan Wars, the Mantis Champion Yoritomo recognized that the Minor Clans could never hope to oppose or even really survive the aggression of the Great Clans by standing on their own. He formed Yoritomo's Alliance, drawing together many of the minor clans so that they could support and reinforce one another, and in so doing have a notable impact on the course of the War as a whole. They fought on behalf of many different factions at various different times - it was Alliance ships that transported the Crab to Otosan Uchi, and Alliance forces that defended Crane lands after the battlefield losses prevented the Doji from effectively defending themselves.

On the Second Day of Thunder, Yoritomo delivered an ultimatum to Toturi - recognize the Mantis as a Great Clan, or see the Alliance depart before the battle began. Recognizing the need for every warrior he could acquire, Toturi agreed, and after the battle was over kept his word. The Mantis were elevated to the status of a Great Clan, the first to achieve such heights in over a thousand years.

Today, the Mantis are in a very strong position. Their trading networks and exclusive access to certain resources have made them exceptionally wealthy, and given that their territory lies off shore they had only the most minimal amount of rebuilding to do. They have a strong alliance with the Crane, which gives them much needed political support, and it is widely believed that several members of the Alliance are considering joining the Yoritomo family as part of the Mantis Clan. Given their relatively minor status for much of the Empire's history they even lack any major enemies in the other Clans.

The Mantis are strong, wealthy, highly ambitious and in the middle of a growth period. The only thing they lack is recognition by the more conservative elements of Rokugani society, such as the Lion.
 
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