In Thunder's Echo (Legend of the Five Rings Quest)

Really? Where was that? I missed out on that bit entirely.
I can't find it at the moment again, but that is the reason that Wasps start without a Katana as the outfit does not have a daisho and just the small blade
If I remember it right as you swear fealty you destroy the Katana the same way he did and so after all also break with your ancestors.

Edit : Another note, but isn't there also the issue that Wasp still counts as a Magistrate? Even if it is less of a concern in the current situation.
 
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Can you finaally accept that the Mantis are our enemy for this Court and that they stole the Crab out from under us? Or do you need more proof?

I say we bury them both. Step on a Scorpion, get stung. We need to enforce this idea directly. Especially since we are in Matsu lands.

[x]Respond in the finest Matsu fashion, directly:"I am honorable enough, Yoritomo-san. I stood in the dueling fields of the Display of Steel, and both won and lost with Honor. I stood between Otomo-sama and his assassin. I stood upon the field of the Wager and competed with my own skill, openly and proudly. That you were ignorant of my skill is your own failing Yoritomo-san. I had no need to cheat to beat you, the Wasp beat himself. Blaming your own abysmal failure in the wager on another cheating? Only cowards seek to escape their responsibility. But it was not you, was it? Another stood in the field for you. Was it the same during the Display of Steel? Do you even carry a daisho, Yoritomo-san? Where is your warriors Honor, merchant?
[x]Pivot towards a diefferent subject leaving him unable to respond:"As for the idea of using the kami to cheat? Do any here think the Phoenix would condone abusing the Kami so when it is their duty to guide and watch over all magical pursuits within the Empire? It is easier to belive Crabs working with Jigoku." At least that actually happened.
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I might want to refine it a bit, but this works for a first draft. In Shiro Matsu you do not deflect, you face them directly and go for the throat.

Of course if Yoritomo is a bushi this might backfire, but as long as he is not this should work nicely.

@Maugan Ra: Does Yoritomo bare the Mon of a Bushi school?

EDIT: Reworded some stuff.
 
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Harike doesn't wear his katana; he's most likely just carrying his wakizashi since he's a Courtier. Challenging him to a duel when we're really not that great of a duelist is not that great an idea, because he'll just call back home and arrange for an actually good duelist to show up. That, or somebody else he's allied with represent him and I don't think it's a good idea to burn bridges.

I think it's a better idea to ask why he waited so long to accuse us and to show us that he knows what he's talking about by rapid-fire asking him questions about Lore:Shugenja.
 
The point is not to challange him to a duel, it is to point out he is not a warrior. He scored points off Tani claiming this is a hall for Warriors, well, he is not one and does not belong. We are one. Him doubting our honor in the middle of Shiro Matsu is silly. The Matsu respect Warrioirs, not Courtiers. I want to manipulate those watching into seeing this as a sore loser merchant trying to blame the upfront so far unusually honorable Scorpion for his defeat.
 
Even if there was a duel, it would be against a Wasp, as long as we can spin the court to our way of thinking. And being a Scorpion with Crane and Otomo allies against Mantis and Crab, with us having the favor of the Lion? That should not be a challange. If he does go for a duel we can either dishonor him in defeat(if not a duel to the death) or remove the Mantis from the board entirely.

And beating a Wasp at Iajutsu then kenjutsu should be well within our range. Him reaching for outside assistance after being acused of never fighting his own battles would be a really bad call for him, under the eyes of the Matsu.

People, do remember how Bayushi-sama got the Matsu to respect her, personally. Unless we are ready to prove ourselves as a warrior, we, personally, will never have their respect. See how quickly they turn on us? You think anyone would have bought this if Bayushi was the target of such an acusation?
 
Even if there was a duel, it would be against a Wasp, as long as we can spin the court to our way of thinking. And being a Scorpion with Crane and Otomo allies against Mantis and Crab, with us having the favor of the Lion? That should not be a challange. If he does go for a duel we can either dishonor him in defeat(if not a duel to the death) or remove the Mantis from the board entirely.

And beating a Wasp at Iajutsu then kenjutsu should be well within our range. Him reaching for outside assistance after being acused of never fighting his own battles would be a really bad call for him, under the eyes of the Matsu.

People, do remember how Bayushi-sama got the Matsu to respect her, personally. Unless we are ready to prove ourselves as a warrior, we, personally, will never have their respect. See how quickly they turn on us? You think anyone would have bought this if Bayushi was the target of such an acusation?
Not exactly true since the Wasp is not wearing a katana; of course, in this kind of situation where we're being challenged in a matter of kyujutsu the duel could be spun into one of archery. Depends on how good Harike is at Courtier, really.

I would agree though to making Etiquette rolls for both current plans.
 
Not wearing a katana is no saving grace.Iajutsu and Kenjutsu are the law of the land. He is the heretic and freak if he does not carry one. Only way we end up in a kyujutsu duel is if we get out ass handed to us in court and the Matsu damyio hates us.

And we are being challenged in the matter of if we are a dirty dirty cheater, not kyujutsu skill.
 
Not wearing a katana is no saving grace.Iajutsu and Kenjutsu are the law of the land. He is the heretic and freak if he does not carry one. Only way we end up in a kyujutsu duel is if we get out ass handed to us in court and the Matsu damyio hates us.

And we are being challenged in the matter of if we are a dirty dirty cheater, not kyujutsu skill.
He's claiming that we cheated in a kyujutsu tournament; it follows naturally that if he can swing it he'll try to make this duel one of archery do that we can prove we were not cheating. The Matsu also dislike iaijutsu because of Kakita, so it's not impossible.

As for not wearing a katana, thousands of samurai don't carry one; it means that you're not a bushi and require another one to defend you. It's perfectly normal.
 
Yes and no. A Courtier, Artisan or Merchant not wearing a Katana is fine. A Bushi? Unnatural. As for proving we cheated? That is not how Rokugan law works. Only way to get us into a kyujutsu duel is if we claim to be a better archer then the Wasp. We are not claiming that. We are claiming he was a disgraceful failure during his performance for the Wager, not that we are the better archer.

Thus, getting into an archery duel is impossible. At worst he can score some points in us addmiting we think the Wasp the better archer that we can then undercut by pointing out that because we think the Wasp a better Archer his performance was so disgraceful. See how that works?
 
My problem with the current votes is that none of them adress the issue we spotted at the start. How do we prevent him from intimidating back?

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[Q] Really using the Kami to cheat would be the last way I'd do it. Provide a list of ways to cheat ranging from damaging the fletching to assassination. Conclude that using the Kami are too unreliable and easy to detect.

I bet that'll catch him by surprise.


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Yes and no. A Courtier, Artisan or Merchant not wearing a Katana is fine. A Bushi? Unnatural. As for proving we cheated? That is not how Rokugan law works. Only way to get us into a kyujutsu duel is if we claim to be a better archer then the Wasp. We are not claiming that. We are claiming he was a disgraceful failure during his performance for the Wager, not that we are the better archer.

Thus, getting into an archery duel is impossible. At worst he can score some points in us addmiting we think the Wasp the better archer that we can then undercut by pointing out that because we think the Wasp a better Archer his performance was so disgraceful. See how that works?
Also, more to the point, he's not going to get the Wasp to get in a Iaijutsu duel with us, he's going to get some volunteer from another clan (quite possibly the Lion, if only because they are the most numerous and it shouldn't be too hard to find at least one Lion who's interested in murdering the hell out of an annoying Scorpion) to do so. That's probably the worst part of angling for a duel, the "we have no idea whom he'd ask to champion him in it" thing.

Edit: And do note, there's not really any shame in getting someone from outside your delegation to champion you: We almost championed the Crane envoy, only avoided it because the Kakita didn't liked us getting near her and won a "spar" against us and took back his place as designated duelist for her. And got insta-killed by the Lion duelist, but the Kami of luck, of fate and of the Dice are rather fickle... :p
 
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Honestly, I kinda like that.
Honestly it's kind of a conversation ender.
It sort of saying, 'Yeah I'm the Bad Guy. The Emperor's Underhand. What about it.' There's not a lot to say against it that makes sense.
The problem here is that Yoritomo isn't trying to make sense. He's trying to be dramatic. And saying 'Aha so you admit it.' as if that's actually what he accused us of is an easy rebuttal.
 
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