Baaaaah. Natsuki would have totally taken that one if Kaihei hadn't had one of his dice explode three times.
In Thunder's Echo (Legend of the Five Rings Quest)
Baaaaah. Natsuki would have totally taken that one if Kaihei hadn't had one of his dice explode three times.
- Location
- Connecticut
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Since it sounds like Voiding the Honor roll is indeed a possibility:
[X] Yes, re-roll with Honor
- [X] Void point
EDIT: With that said, @Maugan Ra I absolutely love this turn of events! This is a very clever, dramatic plot twist and I do not blame you for not wanting to wait to write it up!
[X] Yes, re-roll with Honor
- [X] Void point
EDIT: With that said, @Maugan Ra I absolutely love this turn of events! This is a very clever, dramatic plot twist and I do not blame you for not wanting to wait to write it up!
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Deadly Snark
Tryhard As Fuck
Yeah, I would definitely use a Void Point and considering just how crippling that Malus is, also use a Free Raise.
EtchedSteel
*mumble mumble*
- Location
- Lima. Peru
You know, while under the effect of fear, we really have very few choices to make. -4k0 is a big penalty-
Oh, ifs been retconned.
Alternatively, never forget on using your raises, or you else you would get a result that might kill said Scorpion Courtier because you used the same Iaijutsu stance of a Thunder.
Oh, ifs been retconned.
Alternatively, never forget on using your raises, or you else you would get a result that might kill said Scorpion Courtier because you used the same Iaijutsu stance of a Thunder.
- Location
- London, England
Dirtnap
Kanmusu Affecionado
I have edited muh vote, accordingly.
- Location
- Connecticut
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Oh I know. I'm looking at this situation and all I can think is, I am so glad my vote failed to gather support.
@Maugan Ra, couldn't we vote to use the void and raises in the other roll?
To increse it's results and not in an honor roll.
It would give us a 1k1 and a minus 5 in the target dice no?
To increse it's results and not in an honor roll.
It would give us a 1k1 and a minus 5 in the target dice no?
- Location
- London, England
I'm reluctant to allow retroactive modifiers. By the simple nature of a Quest I need to roll certain things in the posts as I write them, where delaying to vote on every conceivable roll or choice would slow things down far too much.
The Honour roll is the critically important one and the option with the most chance of success here, so I focused on that when writing the update and putting the vote options together.
- Location
- England
Well, I actually misremembered the way fear rankings work, and thus misunderstood the requirements for passing the check and thought the reroll was less likely to succeed than it is. My lack of familiarity with L5R is why I tend to reserve judgement until it's been discussed or I've reread the relevant mechanics.
My opinion at the time was that if we're not likely to succeed with the reroll, we should just cut our losses rather than take the risk. I didn't really expect us to get chased if we decided to run away, so I figured that the penalty wouldn't matter much if we were just going to do that.
Having refreshed my memory on how difficult the reroll is, it's... more reasonable that I thought, if not ideal. The void point makes me more comfortable.
[X] Yes, re-roll with Honor
- [X] Void point
The apology is welcome, but it's really fine. It's not a huge deal, or anything, at least not to me. It's just that I kind of went 'Oh, I'll come back in a few hours, read the discussion, maybe read through the rules on how fear works in L5R', and then it was done by the time I checked back. I was more surprised than anything else.
cokerpilot
Here comes the rain.
[X] Yes, re-roll with Honor
- [X] Void point
- [X] Void point
- Pronouns
- They/Them
I wonder what I missed, for the post, in terms of 'what this spirit is. Not sure if I can make any clever arguments. I'm...hrm. If we fail this, though, things are going to go horribly.
Hmm.
Hmm.
- Location
- Earth
Now this is intresting. I was wondering if it was going to happen. Well played Maugan, WP.
The question now becomes, truth or no? Also the terror. Hmmm. See, it is possible she got sent to Gaki-Do and now wants to eat us. Or the trickster is being really cruel. Or I could be wrong. She has done nothing so far to attack us.
Something to keep in mind, not getting terrified might seriously annoy the spirit we are dealing with.
Even then, I still think we might be better off not getting terrified.
Hm,hm,hm. You know, while
[] Yes, re-roll with Honor
- [] Void point
this vote seem to be getting full unity, there does appear to be no consensus to what to actually do about the apparition. I doubt that just by us not being afraid of it, that it is going to just disappear. Would really like it if it was accompanied by an actually plan what to do when we are no longer terrified. Also, doing the honor roll implies that everything Naoto belives is against being terrified right now. And I am not sure that is the truth.
Anyone consider that she might be here to tell us something? Maybe she learned something about our enemy from the other side?
This post is rambely and not up to snuff due to speed, as in this morning is a bit crowded for me. I'll be back later in the day. For the ending:
I think being terrified is a normal and appropriate response. Would this be an acceptable write in @Maugan Ra?
[X] Your heart jumps into your throat. No. NO. There is no ash. And she would not bleed so if she came down from Yomi. Which leaves Gaki-Do. Your voice rings out in terror, anguish and denial:"No, Fortunes NO! She does not deserve this! She was a victim! A victim! She did not fail! At the end She faced her fate and struck a blow against the enemy! By her courage we struck them! We stopped the War! No... Please Fortunes No..."By the end, your voice is chocked off by the sheer terror and pain, leaving you frozen, your hands clenching the rains, unable to take your eyes of the apparition."Please spirits, do not torment me so. Say it isn't so..."
Is this write in the best course of action? Probably not. Is it in character? Maybe. Maybe not. But just not being terrified is unlikely to solve the situation. Maybe if do win that Honor roll we can go back to hearing Tani and between us figure out what to do. But if we fail, this seems like a good response, if it passes Veto. Note, that while Naoto is afraid of the ghost, the true terror in this situation comes from the idea that Mariko was sent to Gaki-Do.
Due to the rushed nature of this I hope someone can make the points brought up it a wee bit coherent. I am all out of time. Gots to go.
PS: What the hell happened? Though if the posts are any indication I may be better off not knowing.
The question now becomes, truth or no? Also the terror. Hmmm. See, it is possible she got sent to Gaki-Do and now wants to eat us. Or the trickster is being really cruel. Or I could be wrong. She has done nothing so far to attack us.
Something to keep in mind, not getting terrified might seriously annoy the spirit we are dealing with.
Even then, I still think we might be better off not getting terrified.
Would this then mean that so long as we accept the terror we would face no Honor loss from merely being afraid in the face of this apparition?
Hm,hm,hm. You know, while
[] Yes, re-roll with Honor
- [] Void point
this vote seem to be getting full unity, there does appear to be no consensus to what to actually do about the apparition. I doubt that just by us not being afraid of it, that it is going to just disappear. Would really like it if it was accompanied by an actually plan what to do when we are no longer terrified. Also, doing the honor roll implies that everything Naoto belives is against being terrified right now. And I am not sure that is the truth.
Anyone consider that she might be here to tell us something? Maybe she learned something about our enemy from the other side?
This post is rambely and not up to snuff due to speed, as in this morning is a bit crowded for me. I'll be back later in the day. For the ending:
I think being terrified is a normal and appropriate response. Would this be an acceptable write in @Maugan Ra?
[X] Your heart jumps into your throat. No. NO. There is no ash. And she would not bleed so if she came down from Yomi. Which leaves Gaki-Do. Your voice rings out in terror, anguish and denial:"No, Fortunes NO! She does not deserve this! She was a victim! A victim! She did not fail! At the end She faced her fate and struck a blow against the enemy! By her courage we struck them! We stopped the War! No... Please Fortunes No..."By the end, your voice is chocked off by the sheer terror and pain, leaving you frozen, your hands clenching the rains, unable to take your eyes of the apparition."Please spirits, do not torment me so. Say it isn't so..."
Is this write in the best course of action? Probably not. Is it in character? Maybe. Maybe not. But just not being terrified is unlikely to solve the situation. Maybe if do win that Honor roll we can go back to hearing Tani and between us figure out what to do. But if we fail, this seems like a good response, if it passes Veto. Note, that while Naoto is afraid of the ghost, the true terror in this situation comes from the idea that Mariko was sent to Gaki-Do.
Due to the rushed nature of this I hope someone can make the points brought up it a wee bit coherent. I am all out of time. Gots to go.
PS: What the hell happened? Though if the posts are any indication I may be better off not knowing.
[X] Yes, re-roll with Honor
- [X] Void point
Eh, I'm not at all a fan of this write in. It feels excessively melodramatic for feudal Japanese-esque culture. And even if I could be persuaded to go with something other than an honour roll, I find the choice of dialogue particularly a little too unnatural and pompous.
- [X] Void point
Eh, I'm not at all a fan of this write in. It feels excessively melodramatic for feudal Japanese-esque culture. And even if I could be persuaded to go with something other than an honour roll, I find the choice of dialogue particularly a little too unnatural and pompous.
- Location
- Connecticut
- Pronouns
- He/Him
What happened is that @Maugan Ra was very excited to write the next update - not that I blame him! He rolled before we got the chsnce to spend Void. With that said if you are fine having us suffer the sin of Fear, then we probably can't convince you to throw in a free raise to resist...
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- Location
- Spain
[X] Your heart jumps into your throat. No. NO. There is no ash. And she would not bleed so if she came down from Yomi. Which leaves Gaki-Do. Your voice rings out in terror, anguish and denial:"No, Fortunes NO! She does not deserve this! She was a victim! A victim! She did not fail! At the end She faced her fate and struck a blow against the enemy! By her courage we struck them! We stopped the War! No... Please Fortunes No..."By the end, your voice is chocked off by the sheer terror and pain, leaving you frozen, your hands clenching the rains, unable to take your eyes of the apparition."Please spirits, do not torment me so. Say it isn't so..."
- Location
- Earth
Aaannnd, I'm back.
It is less that I am fine with it and more that I feel like it is a reasonable response. Naoto does not strike me as a particularly courageous samurai. Or put another way, as a foolhardy one. Being afraid when faced with a spirit is a normal and apropriate response. I suppose being frozen in terror is a bit less acceptable. Espetially in company.
Sure, most of my ideas are usually rough and mostly unusable when I first get them. Then I keep refining them till we get to something workable.
Any ideas how a Japanese-esque culture person who is terrified would behave? Would growing pale white and being Frozen in place be a more or less apropriate reaction?
Now some coherent points:
In my opinion those are good odds. And if we fail them, thems the breaks. I might be open to being convinced that there will be a shitstorm today for Naoto so I should use my Raise and we save the void point for something we can not get with a free raise.
@Maugan Ra : Am I correct in assuming that if we overcome the fear, the previous vote will stay in effect, or do we need a new one in light of new information?
In conclusion, I think my previous vote provides a basis for those people who do want to go with the terror option. Something they themselves can build upon. Also discussing things and looking at them is allways the better option. That write in gives as a way to include Tani in our efforts with a great excuse to our Lady boss. She ordered us not to tell anyone. Though if we are being tricked and this is not the genuine article it might be less so.
But seeing as the current vote count is greatly in favor of it, and I do not expect a shit storm if we can placate the spirit, I think I'll roll the dice and hope we do not miss that void point and that the Fortune of Fortune does not pick this moment for some mischief. Thus:
[X ] Yes, take the re-roll
- [X] Void point
And hey, maybe overcoming such a trial earns us more honor. Who knows?
It is less that I am fine with it and more that I feel like it is a reasonable response. Naoto does not strike me as a particularly courageous samurai. Or put another way, as a foolhardy one. Being afraid when faced with a spirit is a normal and apropriate response. I suppose being frozen in terror is a bit less acceptable. Espetially in company.
Sure, most of my ideas are usually rough and mostly unusable when I first get them. Then I keep refining them till we get to something workable.
Any ideas how a Japanese-esque culture person who is terrified would behave? Would growing pale white and being Frozen in place be a more or less apropriate reaction?
Now some coherent points:
- Not getting terrified might seriously annoy the spirit we are dealing with.
- Our Lore rolls were based upon what we knew at the time. This is a new development. Both wilderness and elemental would not have been able to do this(probably) So either we were wrong due to lack of solid data or this is the trickster.
- We do not actually know what this thing is. Possiblities: Doji come to kill us because she was judged unworthy or was cursed when Daidoji killed her. Some kind of cruel joke by the trickster. Some kind of test from another spirit.
- We are so terrified we can not hear the Loremaster. Probably a bad thing.
- We are apparently in the wilderness. Using Void now means not having it later. We do not have meditation to refill. If this is just a joke and we waste Void when we could have gotten through it scared but otherwise fine, we are going to be missing that Void point.
- If we fail the roll, say bye to 10 honor points. Those take a while to get you know?
- Being terrorised in front of a Phoenix is probably bad for us both personaly and for the Scorpion as a whole.
- If this is a trickster we still are not sure what it is trying to do? Just get a rise of us? Or put us in mortal peril? Test us? No clue. It is however likely that if it was able to pull this out of its deck of tricks it has been watching us for at least some time.
- This is mostly paranoia speaking but it is possible the apparition was summoned here as a part of some kind of plot by some mortal element, either the other Clans or the enemy that got Mariko killed.
- It is possible(While at this point in time less likely then the trickster) that this is Mariko braving who knows what and that we should be scared, but even then, terror will probably not help.
Keeping all that in mind lets talk math. This is completely OOC and we may be abusing Maugan Ra telling us some stuff he may have told us ahead of time due to us failing the initial roll. If so, I apologize. The fear rating of a creature is applied as a negative -Xk0, X being the fear rating. The TN to beat a X rating is 5+(5*X). Since Ra generously told us what are possible penalty was before we definitely failed the test, we can infer the TN to beat is 25. Rolling just the honor 5k5 gives us 71% chance to pass. The Voided 6k6 goes up to 89%. If a free raise is used to lower the TN, we get 97% for 6k6 and 90% for 5k5 with no Void.
In my opinion those are good odds. And if we fail them, thems the breaks. I might be open to being convinced that there will be a shitstorm today for Naoto so I should use my Raise and we save the void point for something we can not get with a free raise.
@Maugan Ra : Am I correct in assuming that if we overcome the fear, the previous vote will stay in effect, or do we need a new one in light of new information?
In conclusion, I think my previous vote provides a basis for those people who do want to go with the terror option. Something they themselves can build upon. Also discussing things and looking at them is allways the better option. That write in gives as a way to include Tani in our efforts with a great excuse to our Lady boss. She ordered us not to tell anyone. Though if we are being tricked and this is not the genuine article it might be less so.
But seeing as the current vote count is greatly in favor of it, and I do not expect a shit storm if we can placate the spirit, I think I'll roll the dice and hope we do not miss that void point and that the Fortune of Fortune does not pick this moment for some mischief. Thus:
[X ] Yes, take the re-roll
- [X] Void point
And hey, maybe overcoming such a trial earns us more honor. Who knows?
Deadly Snark
Tryhard As Fuck
If you think that using the Free Raise is better than using a Void Point, I think the others could be convinced to change their vote. But as you said, kind of metagaming.
- Location
- Earth
It is mostly the same in terms of results. It is more a question of using resourses. Void refills, raises not so much. Also, Void and Raise can do different things when not being used to just Beat a TN. Currently, as I do not feel this is the end times yet, I am opting for saving the raises and using Void. Unless someone can point out any clues I missed that indicate we are going to need a lot more Void points.