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IT WAS ALREADY ON FIRE WHEN I GOT HERE
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Hybrid Hive: Eat Shard? (Worm/MGLN) (Complete)
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So, it looks like we're not YET in trouble for this conversation, but that only lasts until it annoys CmptrWz. I don't think there's much more productive to talk of in that topic that wouldn't be pushing it.
So, jumping to another topic...
What sort of theoretical or just stupidly dangerous molecules do you think are going to be petitioned to be produced, through simulation first and then in an empty system, so their characteristics and behaviors can finally be documented? FOOF is nasty, but we can actually work with it well enough to know how it acts beyond exploding on contact with nearly everything ever.(I think it doesn't care about wax or oxidized aluminum?)
I know there are FAR more energetic molecules that we can't actually look at, as that will trigger them.
Or are they materials? Molecule doesn't sound right.
So, jumping to another topic...
What sort of theoretical or just stupidly dangerous molecules do you think are going to be petitioned to be produced, through simulation first and then in an empty system, so their characteristics and behaviors can finally be documented? FOOF is nasty, but we can actually work with it well enough to know how it acts beyond exploding on contact with nearly everything ever.(I think it doesn't care about wax or oxidized aluminum?)
I know there are FAR more energetic molecules that we can't actually look at, as that will trigger them.
Or are they materials? Molecule doesn't sound right.
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Doppelgangers are weird.
They act a lot like independent entities in my opinion.
FOOF doesn't react instantly with fluoridated metals. It will absolutely destroy mere oxides though; that's what it's used for, industrially.
It's not the doppelgänger devices per se doing that; it's the form shifting – it's designed to partially isolate the other form from the core personality, effectively giving it it's own set of memories. I assume this was originally meant to aid infiltration by creating "legends" that literally couldn't give themselves away but that's just my cynical take. The devices are just tapping that and letting them run 24/7, accelerating their development.
The first ones that come to mind would be Synthetic element's.
I would imagine that the equations might be able to create unknown isotope variations that would be hard or impossible to create via normal physics, and if you create a small amount of every potential isotope of them (within a sanity limit), you might find a few stable enough to last more than a few seconds/minutes, and actually be useful for something.
Let me be honest here, I didn't understand the whole nitrogen supermolecule thing. From what I remember of my chemistry classes in the grey ancient past, nitrogen is not very reactive and usually forms very stable bonds on its own (N2 and N3) and from what I understand there should be a maximum of connections a single atom can make based on its (valence) electrons.
I guess if you chain trillions of nitrogen atoms together and kind of weave a structure from it, you could get a super molecule. How you'd even find a metastable form for that I have no idea. I can imagine a cube type structure at best but that would be much, much smaller. Larger structures would unravel from the end/outside, just like dominoes. If you can even get them created in the first place but I guess that's the magic part.
I assume the explosion would be caused by going from a very high energy state back to the normal diatomic molecule? Would the explosion be merely the rapid expansion of an N2 cloud or would there be static discharges from the breaking electron bonds?
That doesn't seem to be that dangerous when happening in a vacuum. If your space ship is rated to go close to stars, then that explosion should be a trivial issue. If you can weather an ongoing fusion/fission explosion that is throwing high energy particles out into space, then a cloud of nitrogen shouldn't be a problem. Unless there's a couple billion volts of static discharge dancing across your hull and even that should have some solution already.
So why was this supermolecule such a scary event (aside from being completely impossible outside of magic)?
I guess if you chain trillions of nitrogen atoms together and kind of weave a structure from it, you could get a super molecule. How you'd even find a metastable form for that I have no idea. I can imagine a cube type structure at best but that would be much, much smaller. Larger structures would unravel from the end/outside, just like dominoes. If you can even get them created in the first place but I guess that's the magic part.
I assume the explosion would be caused by going from a very high energy state back to the normal diatomic molecule? Would the explosion be merely the rapid expansion of an N2 cloud or would there be static discharges from the breaking electron bonds?
That doesn't seem to be that dangerous when happening in a vacuum. If your space ship is rated to go close to stars, then that explosion should be a trivial issue. If you can weather an ongoing fusion/fission explosion that is throwing high energy particles out into space, then a cloud of nitrogen shouldn't be a problem. Unless there's a couple billion volts of static discharge dancing across your hull and even that should have some solution already.
So why was this supermolecule such a scary event (aside from being completely impossible outside of magic)?
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Well for one thing they have minimal clue if there would be potential exotic effects which is why they ran away when they didn't need to
Memes.
Genuine memes, actual campfire story "spooky tales" memes made by chemists, shared between chemists, and one of which was about -azide chemicals that ended up getting popularized to the mainstream zeitgeist by a lucky chemistry blog called "things I won't work with".
The power of memes meant that the socially appropriate response to a massive -azide was to run first, think second.
Similar to how the memes of gun safety make it socially inappropriate to look down the barrel of your own gun, regardless of foreknowledge or actual safety.
After you made a weapon safe, removed all ammo and pulled the trigger a few times to absolutely make sure it cannot fire, there's no reason to not look down the barrel. I mean, you kinda have to when cleaning your gun. Sure, usually that's done after disassembling the gun but not every model lets you remove the barrel. How else do you check if the rifling inside has been cleared of all residue?
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When the swab comes out clean, it's been cleared of all residue. As a rule, looking through the barrel is done to check the rifling itself for damage, and is done from the chambering end of the barrel rather than the firing end, when you have disassembled the firearm and it cannot fire.
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Some firearms cannot be inspected in this way and must be inspected from the firing end. However, once the firearm has been sufficiently disassembled it hardly matters.
Tell that to my drill instructor who checked all barrels that way to make sure they were cleaned perfectly. And as I mentioned before, that's not an option for many guns.
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I'm not aware of a single firearm that you can't remove the barrel of. Are you talking about black powder weapons?
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Many revolvers, for one. Unless they're the break-open ones, you physically can't look into the breech far enough to see the other end of the barrel without some sort of optical offset device.
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While I'm not familiar with the hammer-less revolvers, I can disassemble the trigger and hammer of our S&W .357 Magnum and look through the frame down the barrel.
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You could also use a dental mirror to check the barrel of a fixed frame weapon without having to aim the weapon at your face.
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I think the main reason it would fail miserably is that it would only work if war consists of houses of nobles fighting each other for no more reason than wanting some more land or power and not caring about the peasants.
Having an exchange of children between the USA and ISIS wouldn't go well. And if ISIS wanted hostages, they don't need the children of American nobles anyway, ordinary people would serve fine as hostages.
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Because unlike with N2 or N3, which have stable double or triple bonds, the supermolecule here would be full of unstable, high energy single bonds.
N2 is one of the most stable compounds in existence. Any molecule with more then three nitrogen atoms in sequence will do it's best to reorganize to form into as much N2 as possible. It does this energetically. The more nitrogen involved, the more energetic the reaction, and the lower the enthalpy needed to initiate it.
Molecules with more then 8 nitrogen atoms in sequence tend to go off for any or even no discernable reason. Many thousands of mols of nitrogen? That should do a fair approximation of a strategic nuclear bomb going off. As in, forget kilotons, the blast should have been well into the high double digit megatons. (Note this is in terms of energy released, not energy density. Compared to an asteroid, even the czar bomba is tiny.)
I don't understand, why would law enforcement ask for them to be more violent?
That sounds impressive but in stellar terms seems like a non-issue. Also, with pure nitrogen I can't really imagine what the energy release would look like. Do atoms get split? Fused? Or merely distributed kinetically across the vacuum? Is there any radiation?
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Earth Bet is fucked up.
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Well, it wouldn't be surprising if an asteroid-sized nitrogen molecule decomposing was energetic enough to initiate fusion events within itself.
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For one thing, Earth Bet has been socially conditioned by Cauldron to expect a lot of violence from 'parahuman' law officers. For another thing, it's quite possible that the perps involved are known cop killers. Cop killers are something which the police take extreme offense to. Such criminals have historically had problems of being shot for "resisting arrest", as well as falling up multiple flights of stairs even in a one story precinct building.
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This sort of political hostage exchange was common in much of the world for a very long time for basically the exact reasons described in the chapter and worked quite well in a wide variety of cultures. Its not done today not because it wouldnt work but because it is not necessary.