Hybrid Hive: Eat Shard? (Worm/MGLN) (Complete)

Hmm. Given that civilian shields allow face-tanking a nuke... does that suggest that a nuclear reactor could make an acceptable science fair project?

If you can ignore that pesky radiation, hot rocks are a dead simple power source.
 
That's a joke, right? Cigarettes are not safe. No tobacco product on the market is safe to consume. The only difference is "I am harming only myself" vs "I am harming myself and anyone nearby because I'm an inconsiderate asshole."
Historical note: During WW2, my father HAD to start smoking to stay awake while at battle stations. At the time, nothing else was available that was effective.
Don't make assumptions as to why things remain available. Smoking may be the lesser of two evils.
 
And even if it weren't, exterminating it wouldn't help anything, those who are addicted will just find a new source, probably a far more dangerous one, since synthetic drugs for some reason seem to be more lethal in general than what they're replacing*.
The problem with synthetics, especially short term, is that they are pure. Most naturally occurring pharmaceuticals contain moderating compounds that lessen the effects and side effects of the effective materials. This is why refined extracts and synthetic copies generally are both more effective and have worse side effects then the original, unrefined source does.

For instance, chewing a mouthful of coca leaves has a similar effect as drinking a couple cups of coffee, but ingesting the refined cocaine from those same leaves has a stronger effect and worse side effects. Opium poppy seeds are bad to smoke, but morphine and heroin are even worse. And pure nicotine can be rapidly deadly if undiluted, while in it's natural form it takes years to destroy a person's respiratory system...

Sometimes, being pure is not a good thing.
 
pure nicotine can be rapidly deadly if undiluted, while in it's natural form it takes years to destroy a person's respiratory system...
AIUI, it's a combination of nicotine and the combustion by-products that causes lung cancer. Chewing tobacco doesn't destroy respiratory systems...

...of course, it still causes cancer, just not lung cancer.

It's really the concentration of nicotine that is the issue, more so than many other compounds. Whatever the concentration, and accompanying compounds,I don't want to be exposed to it.
 
As for the whole bit with what Amy is doing, remember that she was woken up and had to do this, and probably tossed the thing off while still sleepy. The talk going around about what she's doing is acting as if she sat down for several days and thought about it, and decided to intentionally screw the tobacco companies. I suspect that she's going to end up with a "You took my sleepy midnight annoyed ramblings SERIOUSLY?!?"

The... I'm going to go ahead and call it a derail has largely focused on the tobacco and its industry, rather than on Amy's specific plan, but I agree, I've been thinking about pointing out that this was something to do while bored and annoyed at way too early in the morning. It might inspire the Kingdom or specific people within it with the power to do something about it, but altering tobacco like that is a very different animal from cleaning up out of control invasive species and pollution, so it's hard to say where Cmp is taking this.
 
A few hundred quadrillion Milky Way Galaxies.

I will note, that the point at which it was used, would translate to "As if (the mass of the Milky Way galaxy) being a few hundred quadrillion (Milky Way galaxies) off would have mattered."

...Taylor had, to be certain of her numbers, figured out a more accurate method than anything currently known for calculating the mass of the galaxy and then compared it to a theoretical method that hadn't generated results yet due to a lack of sufficient data to check her work. As if being a few hundred quadrillion off would've mattered.

more specifically, the mass of the Milky Way galaxy is directly referenced in the paragraph, and the computation is indirectly referenced. If you want it to be referencing the equation directly, this paragraph should be linked to the previous.
 
I think at this point we should just drop the tobacco argument and let @CmptrWz write his own way.
Inb4 this issue doesn't come up for two or three chapters, and Wz was banking on the incendiary thread response to mine his audience for a better solution.
As if (the mass of the Milky Way galaxy) being a few hundred quadrillion (Milky Way galaxies) off would have mattered
... No, no, that's actually accurate. @CmptrWz, the sentence in question needs either a unit to make the sentence properly in scale with measuring a single Milky Way, or a clarifying statement enumerating that the measured object is no longer the Milky Way, as implied by the preceding sentences.
 
The... I'm going to go ahead and call it a derail has largely focused on the tobacco and its industry, rather than on Amy's specific plan, but I agree, I've been thinking about pointing out that this was something to do while bored and annoyed at way too early in the morning. It might inspire the Kingdom or specific people within it with the power to do something about it, but altering tobacco like that is a very different animal from cleaning up out of control invasive species and pollution, so it's hard to say where Cmp is taking this.

Thank you. I only brought it up because I was complementing (apparently incorrectly) the author for the idea of just removing the addictive nicotine (I didn't notice the nausea induction line) and letting the industry fade away over time as people choose for themselves to quit the smelly activity rather than crossing the moral event horizon and forcing people to quit. The only reason I even mentioned the other story at all was as an example of how to do it horribly wrong. It bore zero relation to this story otherwise. Just that one reference point.

Another morally safe way to do it is to alter the nicotine from the plants to be inert to humans only, which leaves the critters dependent on it for their diet unharmed. They have the ability to do it without risky retrovirii. This admittedly does nothing about artificial nicotine being added in, but if that were done by the companies and this info was released, their token fig leaf of people choosing to smoke would likely vanish more than they could convince the general populace to tolerate. The rate of quitting would likely accelerate actually due to people despising being manipulated.

🛑<--stop sign. I will state, however, that waiting to implement something like this until she has permission to do so would be a good idea. Waiting for Zion to be dealt with first would be likely necessary too. It would be a bit noticeable probably. They have the tech to put filter walls around countries/areas that would add the alteration to any plant entering through them to just disable the addiction causing specific chemical/substance towards humans only in order to not impact the rest of the ecosystem. Offering to do so for any group that wants it would make it hard for the leaders to turn down. If someone asks them to just alter everyone for a similar effect, they can decline by saying it would violate a person's right to choose medical treatment. People wouldn't take it very well if they were just told it was being done whether they approved or not. If that individual wants it for themselves, they can visit a healing pod at any time to get the genetic adjustment for themselves.

Hive bringing up and pointing out the idea and the butterfly effects might be a way of helping her learn to be even more careful than she already is about such things. I could easily see Hive doing just that and telling Amy that she talks in her sleep, adding in the repercussions if done without taking care of the follow-on effects. Teachable events that are prevented before they even start toward being carried out can be a good thing and help with character development, and embarrassment (used correctly and with compassion) is one of the most effective teaching tools known to mankind.

One of the reasons I've seen mentioned for why having the human mind getting the power to do anything it wants is a really bad idea is that it includes our subconscious mind as well. Our, well, background mental OS is a seriously dark place for almost everyone. It's where we make threat assessments for everything around us at all times. Keeping it G-rated, it's where we determine relative attractiveness of everyone and everything around us at all times. It's where our basic emotions like jealousy, love, and fear live. You do not want that getting the ability to do anything without supervision from the main controlling mind. It also is what keeps us alive and functioning in dangerous environments. It's a necessary function to have. One of the therapist devices might want to mention to Amy that it might be leaking out a bit and talking it out could help her handle her irritation easier, leading to a calmer and more at peace with herself Amy. The smoker was rude, but fantasizing about effectively attacking a sizeable portion of humanity is a tad much. Especially when the person doing the fantasizing has the ability to actually carry it out. That's likely part of what has the thread members a bit uneasy. A Red Queen type event is something to be avoided. At her level of influence, she's at risk of setting off a "Will no-one rid me of this turbulent priest" event like with Thomas Beckett. She's in a relationship with a seriously powerful monarch. She needs to be more aware of this fact.
 
I'd just like to mention that Taylor has an alternative approach to dealing with smokers: write a script for the Kingdom's nanny-systems that generates a shield bubble around the source of smoke.
 
. I will state, however, that waiting to implement something like this until she has permission to do so would be a good idea.

She did. She sent it to the system for review, not implementation. Several times, the author has moved from a simple suggestion to a much more comprehensive implementation, but that doesn't mean that will happen this time. The potential consequences alone would most likely mean Taylor would have to personally approve it, as I believe she had to approve removing invasive species. The fact that healing the damage is trivial with Kingdom medicine makes arguments based on the consequences of tobacco use a bit strange.
 
I don't mean permission from the system. I mean wait for permission from the populace. Like I said, people would resent the daylights out of having something like that shoved down their throats without their even being asked first. I guarantee you, part of the reason there ARE so many teen smokers is from said teens refusing to listen to or obey their parents/teachers/everyone else when they tell them not to start. Removing that choice from existence without letting anyone feel like they're being listened to will generate a massive level of resentment.

The level of disgust and rage concerning a phrase about stories and sandwich making is an example of this mentality. You don't want to cross that line with people. Not only is it wrong to do and/or say that to someone, the consequences are insanely rarely good (only not saying never good due to some people who actually enjoy that kind of thing. Not my cup of tea personally. I try not to make locked down generalities because you can be certain that someone, somewhere will be an exception to anything you state. Will not explain further due to keeping everything family friendly.) It's hardwired into us as a species. On some occasions it's even a survival trait. It's even led to many tech advances. I heard a while back a fairly solid argument that all tech advancement is based on someone wanting to prove someone else wrong. I was laughing my head off while nodding in agreement.

No matter how much power you have, you can only rule if the people will LET you. Enrage them enough and they will first rebel verbally. Continue and they will rebel violently. Put that down and one of three things will happen, downtrodden masses who no longer think for themselves or don't have the confidence to say or do anything they think might anger you, those same masses but they are secretly constantly seeking ways to utterly remove you from existence, or they will shun you completely and ignore your very existence as hard as they can. All three are their own kind of nightmare existence.

Everything Taylor and company have done so far has been within the limits of either preventing planetary End of Days events, response to hostile outside actions, or removing invasive species that are threatening local ecologies. Taylor seems to have a good fix on where the line is regarding what not to do in order to avoid becoming a bully like the ones that tormented her. The most simple form of bullying is ignoring or silencing someone and making them know you're doing it. That's how and why shunning and cancelling someone works. Taylor knows this one SOLIDLY from extended experience. The ONLY time it's not bullying is when it being used as a punishment for out of bounds behaviour, similar to jail time with rehabilitation or non-violent exile. Even then, it's risky. Done correctly, preferably after a trial where the person to be shunned can mount a defense, the strangest things can be very effective training tools. I'm not going into THAT topic further in order to avoid a derail. Please do not drag it there.

TL, dr Don't just ask the system, ask the people or they will rapidly grow to hate you and all you represent. Taylor seems to know this already and is doing a good job of abiding by it.
 
Like I said, people would resent the daylights out of having something like that shoved down their throats without their even being asked first.
Like being forced to breathe in other people's smoke without being asked permission, as happens literally every day to people who are severely allergic to it? Oh wait no, not real actual physical and harmful things being shoved down throats, just opinions being "shoved down throats" are bad and cause a right to be upset.
 
The problem with insisting the public has to have a say is that while the tobacco industry does need to be shut down for the good of the general public, few smokers would actually agree to it happening. And many wont even admit that smoking might be bad for them until it's already far too late. Let alone that they are inflicting their nasty habit's detrimental effects on everyone around them. Trying to shut the tobacco industry down gradually runs into the problem of the industry just bribing law makers to prevent it from actually happening.

As an example, there's a local casino that use to allow smoking on the premises. They don't now, but that's a recent change. The owner and management were smokers, and saw nothing wrong with allowing smoking in the building. I say 'were' smokers because they were forced to quit by their doctors due to aggressive lung cancer. And they were forced to change the smoking policy due to former non-smoker employees suing the casino because they developed lung cancer as a result of having to spend eight hours a day 4 or 5 days a week working in a literal haze of cigarette smoke. A haze which actually obstructed vision it was so bad. Me and my dad almost went into that casino once, only to change our minds when a fog of smoke came out the newly opened door.
 
I heard a while back a fairly solid argument that all tech advancement is based on someone wanting to prove someone else wrong.

Pasteur is a great example of this. He was a lousy scientist. His own notes show that all he was interested in was proving a specific rival wrong, and judged all of his experiments as successful or failures based on whether he could use them in this manner.

I don't mean permission from the system. I mean wait for permission from the populace. Like I said, people would resent the daylights out of having something like that shoved down their throats without their even being asked first. I guarantee you, part of the reason there ARE so many teen smokers is from said teens refusing to listen to or obey their parents/teachers/everyone else when they tell them not to start. Removing that choice from existence without letting anyone feel like they're being listened to will generate a massive level of resentment.

I feel like this part was directed at my comment. When I said it would need Taylor's approval before anything happened, I meant it would need this Taylor to approve it. She's made mistakes, but not thoroughly modelling pretty much anything is not on the list at all. Amy sent a message essentially saying, "Would this be a good idea?" up the chain. I would not be at all surprised for it to never reach Taylor at all unless Hive felt like discussing it with her. One of the things Taylor has access to, and which Mana has used repeatedly, is the ability to sample people's minds to see their opinion on a specific course of action without actually violating their privacy. Finding out that 100% of a given planet actually supports her coming in to take over or is actively exploiting the situation for their own ends changes the view of actually following through with the laws Taylor herself wrote and conquering a world.

Amy's little rant may inspire something more nuanced and thought out, but there's no believable way the cast, as established, would actually act on it without heavy revision. Even Amy wouldn't have wanted to act on it after she had some sleep, but some very good things have come from other off-the-wall ideas, so it's probably best to submit what you think of in case something good comes from it. I know I wouldn't be willing to apply changes on such a scale without a lot of study and thought, and likely wouldn't act on it even if I couldn't come up with good reasons not to follow through.
 
Pasteur is a great example of this. He was a lousy scientist. His own notes show that all he was interested in was proving a specific rival wrong, and judged all of his experiments as successful or failures based on whether he could use them in this manner.



I feel like this part was directed at my comment. When I said it would need Taylor's approval before anything happened, I meant it would need this Taylor to approve it. She's made mistakes, but not thoroughly modelling pretty much anything is not on the list at all. Amy sent a message essentially saying, "Would this be a good idea?" up the chain. I would not be at all surprised for it to never reach Taylor at all unless Hive felt like discussing it with her. One of the things Taylor has access to, and which Mana has used repeatedly, is the ability to sample people's minds to see their opinion on a specific course of action without actually violating their privacy. Finding out that 100% of a given planet actually supports her coming in to take over or is actively exploiting the situation for their own ends changes the view of actually following through with the laws Taylor herself wrote and conquering a world.

Amy's little rant may inspire something more nuanced and thought out, but there's no believable way the cast, as established, would actually act on it without heavy revision. Even Amy wouldn't have wanted to act on it after she had some sleep, but some very good things have come from other off-the-wall ideas, so it's probably best to submit what you think of in case something good comes from it. I know I wouldn't be willing to apply changes on such a scale without a lot of study and thought, and likely wouldn't act on it even if I couldn't come up with good reasons not to follow through.
Not to mention they have a very good modeling system, they can simulate the results and see if doing something at all would be worthwhile. Could be worth including Amy on running the simulation so she could see the results of her half awake thought. No reason to do a questionably ethical brain scan if the project is projected to not work, after all.
 
A thought occurred to me htat made me glad somebody responded to my previous post, saving me waffling over editing it in: With Kingdom tech, you could have a smoker's in core Device prevent the smoke from going anywhere or bothering anybody. You could also give somebody the entire experience of smoking without needing to involve actual cigarettes, but I think that would be less popular, just as simulated drinking is presumably less enjoyable than actual drinks.
 
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