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Okay so here's why I don't like LDJ's actions.
My role might be useless, sure, but if it was, why back me D2 and then just drop of the map in terms of reporting night actions?
But, After he backs me, revealing his role in the process…He stops reporting anything.
I don't like it. Maybe if he had claimed SOMETHING in relation with his role or even that he doctored someone and missed I'd be cool, but just letting that claim be established but then not following up?
That stinks to me.
[X] Vote LostDeviljho
 
Wies said:
I have read up on some players, and I think LostDevilhjo is the most likely to be a wolf. Below is a selection of his posts. They contain hedging arguments, never really fully committing. I also don't like the policy vote on Seven.

Walker is also a suspect, but Walker has actually been comitting. There was a moment where it was certain Logos was the elimination and they could have switched from Comi to Logos, but didn't. I actually read that more as townie than a wolf.
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I'm not going to claim I'm fully confident in something when I'm not. Also I don't regret the policy vote on Seven one bit, it was deserved at the time and frankly still think it is.

Zaealix said:
@LostDeviljho You've claimed doctor to back my claim.
What HAVE you been doing with your night-actions since? I can at least say that much about myself.
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Literally at no point have I ever claimed to be a Doctor. I am a De-programmer, aka someone who removes culting. I visited Nictis N1, then Ori N2, and frankly hjaven't bothered to send in an action since then because forgot to night 3 and then decided I can't be assed to send in actions that don't matter N4.

Walker said:
LDJ - Tends not to commit to a position until very late in a given day, and then sticks to it without much in terms of debate. One of two people not to bandwagon Seven yesterday, in preference of, uh, voting me instead. Hmm.
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Fucking excuse me? Now that's downright false, and the proof of it is literally on this page.


Man if only this were like, Day 2 and I didn't have to give a shit about being voted off. Unfortunately, we're late enough in that even if Shadell is wrong and we're not in mylo, losing town bodies is dangerous. And I am, to some chagrin, still town.
 
For the record I woke up like 15 minutes ago so I have not been able to do any major backreading, but:

  1. Shadell: I have an overall neutral read on with some townlean. They're one of the two I really do need to reread on.
  2. Draxy: Same as Shadell, I just don't remember enough about their posts to say if anything bugged me, so they default to "okay-ish I guess".
  3. Wies: I've been townreading them the entire game, and at this point if I'm wrong fuck it. They engage in a way that reads as towny to me, even if I don't super care for their weird aversion to talking about roles.
  4. Walker: Their general history has been fairly low on the town confidence meter the whole game, reaching critical lows after the last few days. Their role claim was thrown under some suspicion for being kinda fucky which, as far as I can remember, they never really addressed. And then today they literally just fucking lied outright about something on the same page to throw shade, which I am very not a fan of.
  5. LostDeviljho: Town. The role PM says it in big green letters, so sadly I don't get to do anything fun in this game.
  6. Zaealix: Also part of my towncore read the whole game. Engages in scumhunting, largely similar to how I would if I had the spoons to do so effectively.

So yeah, I'm leaving my vote on Walker for the time being, and they are by a fair margin the most suspicious in my eyes.
Also, as a side note, I fucking hate mountainous game and I'm pissed at the scum for not offing me at some point the last couple nights and releasing me from this hell.
 
LostDeviljho said:
Fucking excuse me? Now that's downright false, and the proof of it is literally on this page.
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You're right; this statement is incorrect, and I have no idea how it happened. (Well, it happened because I typed it and wasn't paying attention.) It should have read "in favor of, uh, voting me today instead. Hmm."

Sorry about that.
LostDeviljho said:
Their role claim was thrown under some suspicion for being kinda fucky which, as far as I can remember, they never really addressed.
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I don't really know how I can allay those concerns. The concern was that Lover would be an active role if my partner were eliminated; since I don't know who my partner is and no one else has stepped forward to claim the role, there's no way to prove or disprove whether it actually works that way. I suppose I could be voted to test if someone else is eliminated in the process, but I think there are other priorities.
 
Walker said:
I don't really know how I can allay those concerns. The concern was that Lover would be an active role if my partner were eliminated; since I don't know who my partner is and no one else has stepped forward to claim the role, there's no way to prove or disprove whether it actually works that way. I suppose I could be voted to test if someone else is eliminated in the process, but I think there are other priorities.
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IIRC the concern was specifically that lovers are, normally, informed explicitly who their partner is so they can y'know, play the game in a meaningful way. The fact that you claim to have not been informed of that raises the option that it is a fake-claim constructed to allay suspicions after Logos got pegged for their own role being jank.

Also I apologize, apparently it was not literally on this page, because the page rolled over and I didn't notice.
 
Have just finished rereading Draxy. did not find anything that felt particularly suspicious about them to me, though I did note a history of finding Wies sus.

Also of note, I think @Zaealix is the only living player who has not explicitly shared their role name? Do you mind sharing that Zae?
 
I am what Nictis would have called a spook.
Or in other words?
An FBI Agent.
I hope you understand that in the aftermath you all are going to have to…Take an unplanned vacation now that I've said that?
 
Finished Shadell Reread. Yeah they feel town to me. This is gonna be a problem if reread of Walker makes them look better.
 
Walker said:
and I'm also surprised by their sudden aggression towards Nictis hypothesizing the absence of powers D1 when they themselves claimed to have assumed the absence of a Cult immediately upon receiving the PM for their Cult-based role.
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I'm legitimately unsure what you're referring to by this, tbh. Mind hitting me with a quote?

Walker said:
You're right; this statement is incorrect, and I have no idea how it happened. (Well, it happened because I typed it and wasn't paying attention.) It should have read "in favor of, uh, voting me today instead. Hmm."
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Still would be wrong, btw. I very much was voting Seven yesterday, or did you miss the whole policy lynch thing?

Also:
LostDeviljho said:
Finished Shadell Reread. Yeah they feel town to me. This is gonna be a problem if reread of Walker makes them look better.
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I was right, it is a problem, Walker looks much more reasonable when I read through their posts from the beginning. Shit.
 
I'm still keeping my vote on them, because they're still my weakest townread at the moment and votes are tied between me and them. Since I know I'm town, if the theory we are at Mylo is correct, then I know lynching me would lose the game, which is apparently the only fuckin' thing I can be confident of right now.
 
I've decided.
[X] vote Walker
Lover without knowing the other sounds shenanigans. That we're down to six and you're still standing is even more shenanigans.
 
LostDeviljho said:
I'm legitimately unsure what you're referring to by this, tbh. Mind hitting me with a quote?
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My one weakness, citing my sources!
LostDeviljho said:
My role would imply a cult if this weren't a bastard game, but literally my first thought on seeing the PM was "there's no cult is there?"

Also FWIW Ori wasn't culted before he died.
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LostDeviljho said:
Wait. Nictis. You called that a bunch of rolls would be "vanilla in all but name" literally day one. How did you know that?
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But these two are the ones which I recall taking note of while rereading; there may be others.
 
Walker said:
My one weakness, citing my sources!

But these two are the ones which I recall taking note of while rereading; there may be others.
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The first one was me assuming I specifically was getting fucked over. The second one was paranoia brain acting up about nictis calling it for multiple people day 1.
 
Anyway, the action today is a bit obvious. With, at most, two scum left, we're very likely at mylo. Skipping cuts one miss from the pile and lets us make our potentially final vote at much better odds.

[x] Vote No Kill

I should, all going well, have a full list of rereads done by tomorrow.

ATM leaning Weis as the scummiest, largely on their behavior with the Logos vote and also the general weirdness around the spy (a role that learns what actions people register, would only learn it too late for counters. It specifically informs against redirects, etc, but A: has an actual use if scum had tried to, e.g., fake a Logos doc (assuming Logos couldn't doc their own faction kills, as otherwise going for an actual doctor on N2 or something would actually be a pretty near unbeatable strategy depending on notifications and B: Otherwise is extremely niche in general, compared to much higher reads.

OTOH, a spy that learns what their own faction is doing would likely out much of the set-up to the scum team instantly, which doesn't reflect in their actions.
 
Shadell said:
Anyway, the action today is a bit obvious. With, at most, two scum left, we're very likely at mylo. Skipping cuts one miss from the pile and lets us make our potentially final vote at much better odds.

[x] Vote No Kill

I should, all going well, have a full list of rereads done by tomorrow.

ATM leaning Weis as the scummiest, largely on their behavior with the Logos vote and also the general weirdness around the spy (a role that learns what actions people register, would only learn it too late for counters. It specifically informs against redirects, etc, but A: has an actual use if scum had tried to, e.g., fake a Logos doc (assuming Logos couldn't doc their own faction kills, as otherwise going for an actual doctor on N2 or something would actually be a pretty near unbeatable strategy depending on notifications and B: Otherwise is extremely niche in general, compared to much higher reads.

OTOH, a spy that learns what their own faction is doing would likely out much of the set-up to the scum team instantly, which doesn't reflect in their actions.
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So the weirdness around my role is that, if this was not actually mountaineous, it would be a role better suited for wolves?

My behavior around the Logos vote is fair to suspect.
 
Zaealix said:
Lover without knowing the other sounds shenanigans. That we're down to six and you're still standing is even more shenanigans.
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Frankly, I've assumed shenanigans ever since it was announced this was a bastard game. The (probable) non-existence of my partner seems only to justifiy that assumption.
Shadell said:
Anyway, the action today is a bit obvious. With, at most, two scum left, we're very likely at mylo. Skipping cuts one miss from the pile and lets us make our potentially final vote at much better odds.
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You're suggesting we skip, there's a nightkill, and then we vote from a pool of five instead of six?
 
Zaealix said:
Cultist seems liable to have won, Arsonist if possible well, he ignites tonight and we've still seen no signs of that Serial killer.
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Why do you still think your role matters? Sincere question.

Walker said:
I am going to have more time this weekend, I told myself. I did not, in fact, have more time.

Going from memory about current players:
LDJ - Tends not to commit to a position until very late in a given day, and then sticks to it without much in terms of debate. One of two people not to bandwagon Seven yesterday, in preference of, uh, voting me instead. Hmm.
Shadell - First to catch the mountain, iirc. Has generally focused on style of arguments and expressed alignments, backing most reads with some evidence. Good taste in literature.
Wies - Role seems dubious, even for this game, but posting style has been generally hunt-inclined, suggesting town-ness. Towniness? Towncore? Flipflopped on Logos, but provided good reasoning. Has led votes but not won them D1/D2.
Draxy - Has been doing clerical stuff and keeping track of things, which is appreciated. Tends to hop on bandwagons last-minute for the previous day or two, which is a little odd, but also has reasoning when voting. Role is plausible. Nonetheless, some doubt.
Zaealix - Most of their play has been centered around their role, despite the general consensus of role-irrelevance. I've also never heard of an Investigator who only catches 3p but not scum, but I'm not going to claim encyclopedic knowledge enough to assert its nonexistence. Weird, but possibly not evil.
Walker - The other player who didn't bandwagon Seven. Excellent sense of style. Conflicted that people will vote him in mafia but not for council.

I am most suspicious of LDJ at this point, with Zaealix distantly behind them - Wies and Shadell have both commented on their tendency to hedge and their unwillingness to support positions even after they express them, and I'm also surprised by their sudden aggression towards Nictis hypothesizing the absence of powers D1 when they themselves claimed to have assumed the absence of a Cult immediately upon receiving the PM for their Cult-based role.
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Who would you vote


LostDeviljho said:
I'm not going to claim I'm fully confident in something when I'm not.
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That is not the problem. It is all fine to express uncertainty. My problem is that you seem to avoid taking clear stances at all. You can do both, look at my vote for Logos: "Feels still like a gamble to me, but with more merit than I thought". I expressed uncertainity, but I comitted to it.

Look at these quotes.
LostDeviljho said:
Well there aren't a ton of votes and the only real ones are for Zae, but Zae is also one of my top three townie vibes so...

[x] Vote RoachTV

A vote for the bottom three.
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LostDeviljho said:
Am back.

TBH Wies argument for Comi being shady is like, solid enough? But in general I find Comi has good reads, and if Comi thought Roach was sus, and *I* feel like roach is sus, I think I'll stick to that vote.
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Here you base your vote on Roach solely on Comi's reads whie also agreeing with me that Comi looks sus after I retracted that argument. That feels careful to me, and not in town manner.

It is fine you don't regret your policy vote, but it was also a vote not based on an in-game argumentation and thus handy for wolves to make.
 
Wies said:
Who would you vote
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LDJ at first, for the reasons I've expressed. After that, I'm torn between Zaealix and Draxy - Zaealix seems too role-focused at this stage of the game, while my read on Draxy is non-directional while everyone else is at least a little town.

That said, I think Shadell's idea of going for a no-kill and then voting tomorrow might frankly be the safest option.
 
Wies said:
Why?



Why?

I like to have some concrete reasoning for these votes.
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Pretty sure I've given reasoning on why I think you and Walker are scum are plenty of times over the past few days.

Been reading Zae and Devil as towncore for several day phases now. Shadell is a little more eh, but is still leaning town for me at the moment. Do feel more confident with Wies, but at this point don't want to risk the change when things are equal between Walker and Devil.
 
Don't like this argument much since it's mechanic based, but suppose what makes me read town on devil the most is that their role mirrors my own. I know my role is to search for dousing, there's is for de-culting. The role they claim to exist and have just makes sense to me. Zae's d2 interaction matched several of his previous town plays, which is where I see him as town from.

Shadell
Shadell said:
Okay assuming all powers are technically accurate but missing the things they need to interact, how much do people trust the doctor claim given the high likelihood that scum/normal night kill is happening?

It feels like it doesn't necessarily break the pattern, but looks off theme to me. A scum doctor in a game that isn't multiball would fit that setup much better. That said, my role would be capable of interacting there, violating the working assumption.

I'd like to lean more on hunting, but as moving kinda renders my availability a bit on and off I feel comfortable enough with this reasoning to push here.

[x] Vote Logos
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See this role as potentially showing Shadell as town. This is before their claim as being a nexus. The bolded I don't really see them as potentially sharing if they were scum at a time we were solving the bastard mechanics, since I think it might be correct if the doc targets Shadell and then randomly place the kill onto the same place the nexus shifted it to? Just brings some suspicion onto them.

At the moment Walker and Wies have the most suspect roles amongst us, and also were the last too share. Wies especially was arguing against the role talk during the Logos solve and tried to delay/throw doubt on the revelation, or perhaps just avoid revealing their own role.
 
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