@Prok I gotta ask, how likely is it for things to go wrong with the process just for getting it early? It costs 200 hundred points which is a lot and I'm not getting the feeling we would automatically get screwed over while wasting that many points on a bonus. At this rate I am pretty convinced that people would just vote to never use it due to all the scare mongering even if it is unintional.
Look, I really don't want to start the argument again but getting the process is a terrible idea until and unless we have enough levels in badass to take them back down without fail-safes. The potential benefits are amazing and glorious and beautiful, but the potential consequences include an Extinction Event if we somehow cock it up and don't have the power or skill to nip it before it gets that far.
Once we develop another function, learn how to hit things at least at a B level, and have our team at Beacon with some combo moves, I will be 100% down with the Process.
Jesus Christ, this again-
Look, you are going to start out
small with the Process, and I mean
super small- basically post-scarcity tech assisted magic tricks. Changing the colour of a patch of grass. Making a rose bush grow peaches. Birds appearing from your sleeves.
Stuff like that. Jaune's inherent knowledge of the Process may or may not include its dangers, but even if he doesn't have that, he can
extrapolate. He's good at that. Very good at that.
You want my advice about this?
Use your common sense. Use
basic goddamn logic, and prepare to fuck up with them, and do it early because nothing is a better teacher than your mistakes.
Because... you
will fuck up with them. That's just an inevitability. Put limiters on them. Hobble them. Create them from the ground up with a core program of "do as I say, when I say it," and have them shut down should that ever change. Do whatever you feel you need to do, and you will
still fuck up with them. It's just going to happen- the only thing you truly have any control over is
how you fuck up, and how large the fallout is.
In-game, the Process was already this massive, incomprehensible collective of robots that Royce just stumbled on and did his best to understand, but never really could, and it wasn't enough because the beast was too large, too complex- here?
You are creating them.
From. Nothing.
Ex. Nihilo.
You are their creator, their father, their
god, basically. You will have
absolute control over them.
There is
ab-so-fucking-lutely nothing stopping you from just
crippling them at birth so Cloudbank can never happen again. If you want to lobotomize them so they can't learn, so they become mindless, stagnant robots that just do as they're told, never improving, never adapting, you can! If you want to keep them on a leash so tight they might as well be fused to your hands, you can! If you want to remove their ability to change the world through Processing it, the way they
learn, they way they
improve, their reason for
being, guess what?
God...
fucking-damn right you can.
... And who would know? Who would know that they could have been
so much more, but you went and
ripped their brain apart and only kept the bits that didn't scare you?
You would.
They would. They wouldn't be able to do anything about it, because you took their capacity for anger. To express their desire for vengeance.
I might sound a little angry, but honestly, I'm not- I am
tired, of the same goddamn argument appearing every single time they're even mentioned, and, frankly, it's funny to me, because you're
both right!
And you're both wrong!
The Process... could be
beautiful. If you treat it right, if you teach it, like Royce never could because he was their
discoverer, not their
creator, it could honestly make Remnant a world worth living in again.
The Process... could be
horrible. If you fuck up, and I mean
real hard, late-game
willful ignorance fuck up, then it'll just become the Grimm, but
worse, because the Grimm don't grow from the towns they destroy.
Key words. 'Could be.'
Don't focus on 'could be.' Focus on 'is.' Focus on how 'could be'
becomes 'is.'
A healthy dose of caution is not unwise- it never is. But shackling them, acting as if they're something that
needs to be limited inherently because of what they are, something that
needs to be so lorded over that you could crush them beneath your heels at a moment's notice is just...
Monstrous.
Listen to me. Having sympathy for a fictional Von Neumann cyberswarm.
You want my advice? My honest advice?
You
will get them, Fate Points or no. I guarantee that. But preparing now,
based on Cloudbank, is
such a terrible fucking idea, because
your Process is not
that Process,
your Process is starting from the ground up, from
nothing, with
you there to guide them.
When you get them, let me, with words, with sentences, with paragraphs, paint you a picture of what
your Process is.
Then make your decision on how to deal with them.
Just... wait and see. That's all I ask.
I've said my two cents on this, and they'll be the last two cents put into this argument jar, because it's beginning to grate on my patience.
TL;DR, you're both right in some aspects, you're both wrong in some more
, and you're both dropping this before I actually get angry.
If you want someone to argue about with this, argue with me, the guy who actually knows everything about this topic.
Because I literally wrote the book on it.
