Which of the other starter choices do you want to see interludes from most?

  • Dishonored

    Votes: 3 7.0%
  • Legend Of Zelda

    Votes: 9 20.9%
  • Shadow Of Mordor

    Votes: 2 4.7%
  • Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann

    Votes: 4 9.3%
  • Preacher

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • JoJo's Bizarre Adventure

    Votes: 8 18.6%
  • Fist Of The North Star

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Kill Six Billion Demons

    Votes: 12 27.9%
  • The Zombie Knight

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Mob Psycho 100

    Votes: 2 4.7%
  • Author's Choice

    Votes: 3 7.0%

  • Total voters
    43
  • Poll closed .
This seems like a problem that can be easily avoided through use of UNSTOPPABLE MASSIVE ROBOT HOARDES.

J: "Hey Weiss. If I gave you like a billion robots, you wouldn't need Faunus slave labour anymore, right?"
Jaune:"Hey Weiss, if I gave you robots potentially capable of literally manufacturing dust out of thin air and eventually rendering it utterly irrelevant in the face of a post-scarcity society, do you think, like, you could make something out of that with the company? Maybe? I dunno what corperations are like."
Weiss: "What yes give me robots givegivegive"
 
Yeah, one of the side effects of this chapter is making it very clear how much good the Process can do, here. Like... pretty much every problem outlined by anyone in the update is process-solvable, barring deaths that have already taken place.

Need money? Process can make that. Need labor? Process can be that. Need Dust? Process can make that. Need to utterly blow the competition out of the water? Process can do that. Need to get humans and faunus working together rather than fighting? Process will find a way. Need to solve racism? Process. Need to process? Process. Process? Process.

Sorry, lost my train of thought for a moment, there.
 
Yeah, one of the side effects of this chapter is making it very clear how much good the Process can do, here. Like... pretty much every problem outlined by anyone in the update is process-solvable, barring deaths that have already taken place.

Need money? Process can make that. Need labor? Process can be that. Need Dust? Process can make that. Need to utterly blow the competition out of the water? Process can do that. Need to get humans and faunus working together rather than fighting? Process will find a way. Need to solve racism? Process. Need to process? Process. Process? Process.

Sorry, lost my train of thought for a moment, there.
That said, the Process is still a growing thing, just like any other organism. We can't just use it as a cure-all. It's an amazing tool to solve a lot of problems, but we should be careful and steady about it so that we don't end up taking it for granted.
 
I'm not quite sure Wiess has internalized the fact that she now has access to a world-devouring super AI capable of invalidating the need for things like labor or dust.
 
I am not quite sure anyone understands that that is all late-game tech, but when has that ever stopped people from fantasizing?
 
I am not quite sure anyone understands that that is all late-game tech, but when has that ever stopped people from fantasizing?
Dust extraction is something we can do within days if we could do it openly, a couple weeks at max. The issue there is that we'd need a dust mine of our own and we wouldn't be able to easily keep it hidden.

The unstoppable massive robot hoards are still a good ways off though, we'll have to make due with our quite stoppable miniature robot hoards for now.
 
That said, the Process is still a growing thing, just like any other organism. We can't just use it as a cure-all. It's an amazing tool to solve a lot of problems, but we should be careful and steady about it so that we don't end up taking it for granted.
Sure it's not going to be solved tomorrow, but in the span of a few years a fair portion of the world should be converted.

I am not quite sure anyone understands that that is all late-game tech, but when has that ever stopped people from fantasizing?
Okay, crazy idea! We get the White Fang doing this too!

We send Fawn back with a message that Wiess is part of a project that will ruin the Schnee Dust Company; the company is completely uninvolved, aside from Wiess' own personal involvement. The crazy matter manipulation Fawn saw wasn't a semblance but the proof-of-concept, but if anything happens to Wiess in the next few years the project will be in danger of never being completed. We need them to be ready to support Faunuskind for when the company collapses and leave her alone so she can safely be the face of the project.
 
Alternatively; focus on the problem we can solve right now, that being the assassination attempt. Then continue with Plan A: convert the bedrock layer to creep Process substrate/mesh/thingy while getting Huntsman training at Beacon. The world will continue to turn, and we're still in the middle of our tech tree and the beginning of our personal development.

Job One is not dying. That means we need to git gud, not go haring off to fight injustice in Atlas. Need I remind you of our death feud with a renowned serial mass-murderer? One who can take down fully realized Huntsmen easily?

By the time we've gotten to a point we can safely focus on societal issues, we will need to reevaluate the situation again anyway, because of a combination of time passing and various events will have rendered what we learn from Fawn even less reliable than it already is, coming from a White Fang agent who is also possibly in shock.
 
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The solution without the use of process would be to both augment the wages paid (so people pay their debts in 20 years unstead of it taking longer than they live), allow children onsite, and lastly forbid any offsite debt payement (to prevent new fang recruitement).

I would also argue to allow non faunus debtors, and use the inevitable hate crimes against those by some new fang fuck as a propaganda tool against the white fang, to cut off the general population support of their fight.
 
...Funny how letting the people go, does not even pop up once in her mind...
Because she flat out can't. She's at risk of losing the company inhereitance to effect said meaningful change if she acts too early, and to insist she can fix it given time is to wrongfully ignore the thousands this choice will affect in the intervening years.
It was more about the morality of it. She wants to not feel guilty about it, but not realizing that it is because of debt slavery that this happens rather than who pays it off.
That's a fucking cop out. She fully well knows it's wrong for all that she has difficulty accepting it. But this erroneous assumption she can stop the camps is wishful thinking. You could kill Jacques, and every single bigot in the SDC in an effort to stop this. And you know what you'd get? The next biggest competitor lining up to fill the vacuum because the government and the military want that dust pronto and obviously don't necessarily care about the circumstances in which they get it. It'd likely be worse as inefficiencies and lack of infrastructural experience and expertise leading them to scale up the camps in an effort to make up the losses. There's a reason businesses so easily skew towards amorality, and it's not as simple as all rich businesspeople are terrible individuals- it's because that's where the advantages in the competitions every company is in lie. Weiss isn't an idiot or a sociopath denying indentured servitude is slavery with nicer labels. She's simply acknowledging a mess decades in the making has no trivial solution.

Ironically the SDC's monopoly is arguably an advantage in evcentuslly shattering this fucked up system because so long as they meet the market's demands there isn't a major competitor at risk of outcompeting them if they reform their horrific labor practices.
I'm not quite sure Wiess has internalized the fact that she now has access to a world-devouring super AI capable of invalidating the need for things like labor or dust.
yes, because that's going to be a simple and trivial shift. That's the sort of shift that inadvertently topples the 4 kingdoms as governments. Why pay taxes if national services are outcompeted the Process? Monopoly on force? That's not something Vale or Atlas have anymore- it belongs to some kid named Jaune Arc. I'm a technophile who believes science and advancement can treat a lot of societal ills as much as the next guy but waving hands and casting 'post-scarcity' like it's a spell won't be super effective.
 
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The solution without the use of process would be to both augment the wages paid (so people pay their debts in 20 years unstead of it taking longer than they live), allow children onsite, and lastly forbid any offsite debt payement (to prevent new fang recruitement).
No, the solution is to realize that debtor internment is a piece of barbarism best consigned to the dustbin of history, then change the laws to something sensible that includes private bankruptcy and protections for personal freedom.

From what I understand, the reason this hasn't happened yet is that the Atlesian political class is in the pockets of Jacques Schnee and his fellow plutocrats.
 
Silly memes aside, @Karugus is right. If Jaune can cooperate with the leadership of the four kingdoms (plus Menagerie), can get Ozpin on board swiftly, work with Ironwood, and use every contact Weiss can scrounge up - and if he's very, very lucky...

We might be able to make real change with the Process, without destabilizing the world, in as little as five to ten years. If we get Weiss totally invested in our success, the soonest I can see SDC reforms is in two to three years time.

So yeah - the robot horde is coming, sure, but whatever decision Weiss makes here is going to have major repercussions for the next several years.
 
While I get the humor of it, its not quite that simple if we don't want to accidentally an economy.

The real problem isn't so much about ruining the economy, than it is about current legislation being completely ineffective at morally distributing a vastly wealthier economy.

Like, It's not the production (which would persist fine on a relatively automated system) that is the problem but the distribution of the produce.
 
Like, It's not the production (which would persist fine on a relatively automated system) that is the problem but the distribution of the produce.
And to put it frankly, solving that problem is trivial. At that level of automation you just give everyone a universal basic income and that's it. Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism, basically, at least as soon as we figure out space travel.
 
No, the solution is to realize that debtor internment is a piece of barbarism best consigned to the dustbin of history, then change the laws to something sensible that includes private bankruptcy and protections for personal freedom.

From what I understand, the reason this hasn't happened yet is that the Atlesian political class is in the pockets of Jacques Schnee and his fellow plutocrats.

The reason it happen is that dust mining is indispensable for remnant society, and far more importantly their hunters.

The rise of the cost of dust means mechanically less powerfull hunter, which means more dead from the grimms. It is morally wrong to attempt to remove the debtor system because it means that thousands of innocent would die from the less powerfull hunters.
 
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The reason it happen is that dust mining is indispensable for remnant society, and far more importantly their hunters.

The rise of the cost of dust means mechanically less powerfull hunter, which means more dead. It is morally wrong to attempt to remove the debtor system because it means that thousands of innocent would die from the less powerfull hunters.
Firstly, a society which cannot survive without slavery is a society that doesn't deserve to survive. I have zero sympathy. The morally right thing is to remove the debtor system anyway and let things play out.

Secondly, the premise your basing this on is very obviously complete bullshit to begin with. Atlas has a modern first world standard of living and automation, arguably better than that, and only a small fraction of the population is engaged in dust mining. This means they absolutely do have the economic wiggle room to do said dust mining with properly compensated volunteers and suffer no hardship for it. They just don't, because that would be slightly less convenient for the people who own the dust corporations.
 
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Yeah the slavery ain't necessary, it's just that there's a convienient source of opressed minorities they can put into slavery for essentially negative costs, which is basically a drug for stockholders who are unsympathetic at best to the Faunus plight. That said, like, let's not try to destroy the main source of the magical supermaterials for basically the entirety of the sapient species on Remnant without a suitable substitute to transfer the reliance onto, like, perhaps, Process mining operations?
 
Firstly, a society which cannot survive without slavery is a society that doesn't deserve to survive. I have zero sympathy. The morally right thing is to remove the debtor system anyway and let things play out.

Secondly, the premise your basing this on is very obviously complete bullshit to begin with. Atlas has a modern first world standard of living and automation, arguably better than that, and only a small fraction of the population is engaged in dust mining. This means they absolutely do have the economic wiggle room to do said dust mining with properly compensated volunteers and suffer no hardship for it. They just don't, because that would be slightly less convenient for the people who own the dust corporations.

1) there are tons of innocents in that society, regardless of its need for slavery. Like, you know, the kids. Genocide, because that's what destroying a society means, is a bad thing.

2) and how do you think those robot work ? Because of dust. Once again, it would cost dust, which would mean less for hunters and thus more dead. The two issues here are the unequal treatement (which is as always is a significant cost for no reasons) and the white fang. My proposal removed the two major issues, while keeping the dust cost low, which prevent undue innocent death.

Now maybe the process can provide a more moral solution, but as I said this solution was with the position of ignoring the process.
 
...C-can we have Jaune talk to her about this and come up with an idea?

This Jaune is pretty fuckin' smart, so any ideas SV gives Jaune would be in-character.

I think.
The SDC needs Faunus for mining Dust because they last longer than vanilla humans, given that slavery is illegal, the debt-prisoner system is their way of keeping workers doing mining in dangerous conditions for shitty pay though the last bit is partly Jacques padding his wallet. The Atlesian government turns a blind eye to it because they need the Dust and the SDC pseudo-slave labour makes it affordable even with being a breeding ground for terrorists.

Now if someone were to come up with a way to say... create a exponentially propagating workforce that is expendable, tireless and capable of mining Dust at little to no cost? Why that would be magical, especially if they made keeping debt-slaves uneconomical.
 
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Well well well... it looks like it's time for Weiss and Jaune to orchestrate a coup d'etat against the aristocracy. This debt slavery is appalling, and if Jacques actually cared about sapient life he'd realize it's obviously is a case of "we make our own demons."

The trick is going to be getting the coup set up without Jacques knowing...
 
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